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Post by jozer on Jul 1, 2014 16:55:54 GMT
I think its safe to say that if Sainsbury did pull the plug they would be hard pressed to get anymore planning consent from BCC for any project big or small, Take it from me Why? Even if BCC was in a position to hold such grudges, which it isn't, why should they? In fact, Sainsburys pullung the plug might suite a lot of people.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 1, 2014 17:14:35 GMT
I dread to think it but after relegation, the objections by various groups and the legal challenges that have to have gone through with the council to get planning permission. Why is it that the local M.P.'s have had to take up action with Sainsbury and what was it that triggered this response? It makes me think the unthinkable.Please let me be wrong. But after all, relegation wasn't an option was it? I'm hoping that the MP's (with agreement of NH) are just trying to smoke Sainsbury's out of their bunker, and get some sort of answer from them. If it does all go t*ts up, the BoD can put it down to bad luck and chemistry. Bad luck that TRASH held up the process, and then the attempted chemistry with the new Sainsbury's CEO failed.
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Post by intheknow on Jul 1, 2014 17:15:30 GMT
I think its safe to say that if Sainsbury did pull the plug they would be hard pressed to get anymore planning consent from BCC for any project big or small, Take it from me Why? Even if BCC was in a position to hold such grudges, which it isn't, why should they? In fact, Sainsburys pullung the plug might suite a lot of people. Sainsburys won't be pulling the plug .
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Post by PessimistGas on Jul 1, 2014 17:21:30 GMT
Why? Even if BCC was in a position to hold such grudges, which it isn't, why should they? In fact, Sainsburys pullung the plug might suite a lot of people. Sainsburys won't be pulling the plug . Then what prompted the MP's to get involved? It's just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's isn't it? Why the sudden need to interfere?
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Post by banjoflyer on Jul 1, 2014 17:43:17 GMT
But Sainsbury's haven't got to build the store if they don't want to. They just need to buy the land from us at the agreed price which we will vacate when UWE is built. If their model is changing and they don't want to build the store they can just sit on the land until they decide what to do with it and recover what money they can if/when they sell it on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 17:44:22 GMT
There is a lot of knock on projects connected with the stadium,thats where the interest from the MP's is coming from,they may have asked our chairman what was holding things up now,and were told Sainsbury's signing the contract,so they have asked them
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Post by basel on Jul 1, 2014 18:05:44 GMT
Sainsburys won't be pulling the plug . Then what prompted the MP's to get involved? It's just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's isn't it? Why the sudden need to interfere? Exactly. Why are these MPs writing to Sainsbury,when they could of asked Nick Higgs? It seems to me Nick Higgs doesn't know what's happening either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 18:11:41 GMT
Then what prompted the MP's to get involved? It's just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's isn't it? Why the sudden need to interfere? Exactly. Why are these MPs writing to Sainsbury,when they could of asked Nick Higgs? It seems to me Nick Higgs doesn't know what's happening either. Like 100% of the people on this forum yet we get so much negative speculation and lies I think people on here just like chewing the fat and spiting out any old crud about our BoD and yes i don't have a F ing clue what is going on, all i know is what my planning committee friends tell me which is as far as they know there is no reason to not proceed as planned
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 1, 2014 18:12:25 GMT
Then what prompted the MP's to get involved? It's just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's isn't it? Why the sudden need to interfere? Exactly. Why are these MPs writing to Sainsbury,when they could of asked Nick Higgs? It seems to me Nick Higgs doesn't know what's happening either. Yes he does and has told us It's ALL John Wards fault. Doesn't anyone listen ffs
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 1, 2014 18:41:17 GMT
But Sainsbury's haven't got to build the store if they don't want to. They just need to buy the land from us at the agreed price which we will vacate when UWE is built. If their model is changing and they don't want to build the store they can just sit on the land until they decide what to do with it and recover what money they can if/when they sell it on. But of they can get out for a lot less money
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 1, 2014 18:42:10 GMT
But Sainsbury's haven't got to build the store if they don't want to. They just need to buy the land from us at the agreed price which we will vacate when UWE is built. If their model is changing and they don't want to build the store they can just sit on the land until they decide what to do with it and recover what money they can if/when they sell it on. But of they can get out for a lot less money
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 18:46:39 GMT
But Sainsbury's haven't got to build the store if they don't want to. They just need to buy the land from us at the agreed price which we will vacate when UWE is built. If their model is changing and they don't want to build the store they can just sit on the land until they decide what to do with it and recover what money they can if/when they sell it on. But of they can get out for a lot less money But what if in 2-3 years when Rovers plan to move out of the mem, the economic situation favors large stores again, Sainsbury may well land bank the mem safe in the knowledge that they may not have to go through all the sh@t we have had to put up with in the last 18 months
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 1, 2014 19:16:36 GMT
Why spend £30m+ now buying the Mem just in case the economic situation changes (I can't personally see it ever favouring large stores again as Internet shopping grows) if they can just walk away, at worse paying BRFC a few £1m in compo? I assume that's what the incoming Chairman maybe pondering now.
If Sainsbury's are having second thoughts I can't see a letter from the MP's is going to make them decide to spend millions, just to keep them happy.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 1, 2014 19:29:13 GMT
Why spend £30m+ now buying the Mem just in case the economic situation changes (I can't personally see it ever favouring large stores again as Internet shopping grows) if they can just walk away, at worse paying BRFC a few £1m in compo? I assume that's what the incoming Chairman maybe pondering now. If Sainsbury's are having second thoughts I can't see a letter from the MP's is going to make them decide to spend millions, just to keep them happy. Yes I'd agree with you there. And if there is compensation from Sainsburys does it end up in the pockets of the outgoing directors who have brought the club to it's knees or does it go towards rebuilding the club at The Mem and making the best we can of it ? .
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Post by basel on Jul 1, 2014 19:33:19 GMT
Exactly. Why are these MPs writing to Sainsbury,when they could of asked Nick Higgs? It seems to me Nick Higgs doesn't know what's happening either. Like 100% of the people on this forum yet we get so much negative speculation and lies I think people on here just like chewing the fat and spiting out any old crud about our BoD and yes i don't have a F ing clue what is going on, all i know is what my planning committee friends tell me which is as far as they know there is no reason to not proceed as planned Some posters on here are just so use to 'non delivery' they of course have doubts and it's no good taking it personally is it,often making sarcastic comment when someone posts in negative form about our failed board.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 1, 2014 19:35:08 GMT
Why spend £30m+ now buying the Mem just in case the economic situation changes (I can't personally see it ever favouring large stores again as Internet shopping grows) if they can just walk away, at worse paying BRFC a few £1m in compo? I assume that's what the incoming Chairman maybe pondering now. If Sainsbury's are having second thoughts I can't see a letter from the MP's is going to make them decide to spend millions, just to keep them happy. Yes I'd agree with you there. And if there is compensation from Sainsburys does it end up in the pockets of the outgoing directors who have brought the club to it's knees or does it go towards rebuilding the club at The Mem and making the best we can of it ? . Wouldn't that be great for Trash if they have indirectly forced the club to return to the plans to re-develope the Mem, the compensation from Sainsbury's helping to fund it!
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Post by swissgas on Jul 1, 2014 19:46:50 GMT
Yes I'd agree with you there. And if there is compensation from Sainsburys does it end up in the pockets of the outgoing directors who have brought the club to it's knees or does it go towards rebuilding the club at The Mem and making the best we can of it ? . Wouldn't that be great for Trash if they have indirectly forced the club to return to the plans to re-develope the Mem, the compensation from Sainsbury's helping to fund it! I believe Mancgas posted a few years ago how Colin Williams original idea for The Mem regeneration was much smaller and more manageable than the plan we ended up with. And the reason the plan we ended up with was bloated, unmanageable and impossible to finance was because the club losses kept increasing and so more and money needed to be generated from the development. If there is to be a future with new owners then a development of The Mem may be the only option and perhaps if it is imaginative enough, it meets a real commercial need and it is marketed properly then other financiers may be persuaded to get involved. Personally I hope Rovers do this and carve out the niche we used to serve which was as a community based club with real personality. There is no future in trying to copy the Lansdown model.
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Post by RG2 Gas on Jul 1, 2014 19:53:26 GMT
Random theory from left field : Sainsbs wanted to change delivery hours didn't they? But BCC turned them down? Maybe this is posturing to ensure they get what they want from the planners first? No idea, just a guess....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 19:57:06 GMT
Random theory from left field : Sainsbs wanted to change delivery hours didn't they? But BCC turned them down? Maybe this is posturing to ensure they get what they want from the planners first? No idea, just a guess.... They got it , but not from the start. They did the same for Tesco at Golden Hill
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Post by Gashead on Jul 1, 2014 20:00:08 GMT
Sainsbury's pulling the plug would be an effing disaster. I suppose that, at the end of all this, if the board were able to deliver the UWE whilst we partially restored ourselves on the footballing side (i.e. got back into the FL) then that would be their saving grace. They could let someone else run the club properly, as BRFC would have the potential to become a modern, successful football club at that point with good, operational on and off the field facilities.
However, if this goes tits up for the sake of a few million in compensation (which ends up in the pockets of directors), then the board have to say they've failed on every single front.
I said when the plans were announced that the UWE was the best stadium plans the Rovers have ever or could ever have come up with, and I stick by my assertion that if the plans fail we'll never ever enter a new stadium. Ultimately, that means BRFC will dwindle at the very least, die at the very most.
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