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Post by lincolnfan on Jul 1, 2014 11:23:07 GMT
As posted some weeks ago, Sainsbury are having a complete rethink on store policy and, like the other biggies, are currently more concerned with "convenience" stores than large supermarkets. That doesn't mean yours will not go ahead but it doesn't mean it will either. Same with Southend who are dependent on Sainsbury for a new stadium. They can't get a straight answer either.
King is a football fan and was very keen to get involved with "sports clubs" deals. Whether the new guy and the "new thinking" company will follow the same strategy is anyone's guess I would say. Sainsbury have been propping up Southend financially and I have a sneaking suspicion that that, at least, will stop. When my daughter asked Sainsbury about both these schemes her strong impression was that they were stalling - or tap dancing as she prefers to call it - because there may be policy changes which have not yet been agreed.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 1, 2014 11:25:55 GMT
Opal were going out of business and couldn't/wouldn't honour a compensation clause. They are still in business aren't they? Yes they are - they run at least 5 Student halls in Manchester with plans put out to build 2 more I believe.
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Post by Northville Blue on Jul 1, 2014 11:28:45 GMT
They are still in business aren't they? Yes they are - they run at least 5 Student halls in Manchester with plans put out to build 2 more I believe. In which case I'm sure that if Rovers would have been entitled to compensation from Opal they would have persued them for it. Wycombe haven't got any money but they have been publicly threatened.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 1, 2014 11:32:05 GMT
Yes they are - they run at least 5 Student halls in Manchester with plans put out to build 2 more I believe. In which case I'm sure that if Rovers would have been entitled to compensation from Opal they would have persued them for it. Wycombe haven't got any money but they have been publicly threatened. Then again we have a couple of directors who seem to actively enjoy threatening liti .. Liti .. Liti Suing people
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:33:32 GMT
Did not think Northville was Mortal Tosser smilie thats not very "GOD" like is it
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Post by rovers2 on Jul 1, 2014 11:37:01 GMT
I think Martians are about to land....
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Post by rovers2 on Jul 1, 2014 11:39:19 GMT
As posted some weeks ago, Sainsbury are having a complete rethink on store policy and, like the other biggies, are currently more concerned with "convenience" stores than large supermarkets. That doesn't mean yours will not go ahead but it doesn't mean it will either. Same with Southend who are dependent on Sainsbury for a new stadium. They can't get a straight answer either. King is a football fan and was very keen to get involved with "sports clubs" deals. Whether the new guy and the "new thinking" company will follow the same strategy is anyone's guess I would say. Sainsbury have been propping up Southend financially and I have a sneaking suspicion that that, at least, will stop. When my daughter asked Sainsbury about both these schemes her strong impression was that they were stalling - or tap dancing as she prefers to call it - because there may be policy changes which have not yet been agreed. I think that is a good summary. I am also worried about Sainsburys request for extended delivery times that was turned down at the end of last year... That could make store operation unviable.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jul 1, 2014 11:42:14 GMT
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Post by Northville Blue on Jul 1, 2014 11:50:15 GMT
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 1, 2014 11:56:40 GMT
At the time he wasn't at the club. But Matt Harrold was!
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Post by Northville Blue on Jul 1, 2014 12:04:34 GMT
At the time he wasn't at the club. But Matt Harrold was! It's John Wards fault for not being at the club at the time.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jul 1, 2014 13:19:51 GMT
I mentioned Wadebridge months ago, where they cleared site, started build and within 6 weeks pulled all workforce off site and decided to moth ball it.Put big white fences up around it before anyone knew what they were doing. Left a complete eyesore on entry to town, Council say they've lost hundreds of thousands due to commitments to build a roundabout that will now go no where and shuttle bus which will take people from town centre, to a demolition site with some holes in it.
I think Council have at least made them take the white fence down(or locals did it for them) and all are awaiting decisions - Sainsburys effectively caused council to reject plans for a Morrisons in same area as didnt want too many large supermarkets, now none plus Tesco have cancelled plans for more facilities and a petrol station as Sainsbury's pulling out means they dont need to bother any more.
Those saying not having this or that clause was naive dont really get big contracts, who the hell signs up to something with massive compensation clauses in a world where countries went bankrupt in a matter of hours only a few years ago. No Board would condone such behaviour in these times, so actually not a lot a tinpot football club could do to secure anything until Sainsbury's complete the contract.Is a buyers market not a sellers, buyers bankers and credit facilities will dictate what they develop and when, and contract terms will reflect that uncertainty and tie no one down until last minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 13:33:51 GMT
I think its safe to say that if Sainsbury did pull the plug they would be hard pressed to get anymore planning consent from BCC for any project big or small, Take it from me
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Post by lincolnfan on Jul 1, 2014 13:38:48 GMT
Over half a century of dealing with the changing political climates of local government at every level suggests otherwise to me.
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Post by feelinblue on Jul 1, 2014 13:48:04 GMT
I mentioned Wadebridge months ago, where they cleared site, started build and within 6 weeks pulled all workforce off site and decided to moth ball it.Put big white fences up around it before anyone knew what they were doing. Left a complete eyesore on entry to town, Council say they've lost hundreds of thousands due to commitments to build a roundabout that will now go no where and shuttle bus which will take people from town centre, to a demolition site with some holes in it. I think Council have at least made them take the white fence down(or locals did it for them) and all are awaiting decisions - Sainsburys effectively caused council to reject plans for a Morrisons in same area as didnt want too many large supermarkets, now none plus Tesco have cancelled plans for more facilities and a petrol station as Sainsbury's pulling out means they dont need to bother any more. Those saying not having this or that clause was naive dont really get big contracts, who the hell signs up to something with massive compensation clauses in a world where countries went bankrupt in a matter of hours only a few years ago. No Board would condone such behaviour in these times, so actually not a lot a tinpot football club could do to secure anything until Sainsbury's complete the contract.Is a buyers market not a sellers, buyers bankers and credit facilities will dictate what they develop and when, and contract terms will reflect that uncertainty and tie no one down until last minute. I know enough to know that It IS correct that Sainsburys are currently stalling in a major way and much of this is to do with policy changes regarding the development of major stores, and a very fast and determined repositioning towards the 'Express' market. Sadly, he is also spot on in saying that there is little more the club could do - now or then - in terms of tying the contract down. th reality is, these deals are subject to all sorts of get-out options (some involving compensation obviously), right up to the minute the final contract is signed and the diggers move in. The club may well fall an innocent victim to what have been very rapid changes in the market place - whether the TRASH hold- up was enough to tip the balance against us will always be subject to conjecture. The deal is not dead but it has certainly moved further away from the clubs grasp recently.
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Post by gas2 on Jul 1, 2014 15:04:51 GMT
iv e heard Sainsbury's are building a big store in north London as part of the new Tottenham regeneration ?
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Post by brizzle on Jul 1, 2014 15:09:15 GMT
At the time he wasn't at the club. But Matt Harrold was! He'll do.
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Jul 1, 2014 15:35:57 GMT
I'd have thought that the possibility of BCC throwing a wobbly with Sainsburys if ever they sought planning permission from them in the future for something big or small, plus the likelihood of damage to their reputation in the west country (thousands of gasheads refusing ever to darken the doors of Sainsburys again, for starters) might give them some reason to believe that setting up shop in Horfield as planned would be the lesser of two evils, but their silence on the issue is a bit unnerving. I wouldn't expect the immediate assurances you'd associate with the rosy(ish) picture that Nick Higgs has been trying to paint for us all, but I'd have imagined that if there were no flies in the Sainsbury ointment then it could only be of benefit for them to have said so by now.
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Post by badbloodash on Jul 1, 2014 16:01:29 GMT
I'd have thought that the possibility of BCC throwing a wobbly with Sainsburys if ever they sought planning permission from them in the future for something big or small, plus the likelihood of damage to their reputation in the west country (thousands of gasheads refusing ever to darken the doors of Sainsburys again, for starters) might give them some reason to believe that setting up shop in Horfield as planned would be the lesser of two evils, but their silence on the issue is a bit unnerving. I wouldn't expect the immediate assurances you'd associate with the rosy(ish) picture that Nick Higgs has been trying to paint for us all, but I'd have imagined that if there were no flies in the Sainsbury ointment then it could only be of benefit for them to have said so by now. I don't see that big supermarkets aren't making money anymore I live 500 yards from Asda longwell green and that's as busy now as anytime in the twenty years I've lived here there are also around 3 large sainsburys In what I would call rovers strongholds of kings wood ,Filton and emersons green a boycott of these stores by gasheads would hit them hard in the pocket as well also I don't think they would want to upset bcc and jepodise future developments fingers crossed I don't think I can take any more bad news utg
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Post by alasitsgas on Jul 1, 2014 16:09:03 GMT
I dread to think it but after relegation, the objections by various groups and the legal challenges that have to have gone through with the council to get planning permission. Why is it that the local M.P.'s have had to take up action with Sainsbury and what was it that triggered this response? It makes me think the unthinkable.Please let me be wrong. But after all, relegation wasn't an option was it?
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