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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 21, 2015 10:45:20 GMT
I am only asking a straight question . Henbury Gas made a BIG statement by suggesting I quote " Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved" ? . I am asking a simple question were is the evidence to back up such remarks ??
Otherwise: this is just talk : dreams and myth which may sound good to keep the machine alive . But does nothing to address pass failures and bring hope to the future. surely action speaks louder than words. I am not having a go Henbury Gas I just want to see delivery now instead of soundbites . I have been waiting since we left Eastville..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 10:47:43 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. I don't think it's ridiculous. Bristol - 6th/7th largest city in England. No premiere ship club. - massive untapped fan base potential. Bristol - 2 hours drive from most london clubs, 2 hours from most west midlands clubs. Attractive proposition for both home and away fans. Bristol - great city, party atmosphere in the centre, lots to do and see for a weekend visit. Investing in a loss making business - big tax write offs. Getting a stadium built within the grounds of the 6th largest uni in the country (40,000 students). Big cash generator. Getting into the premiere ship for one year - £100m+ just from the sponsorship. Stay in longer - very happy days. Parachute payments - £40m per year for 4 years. Wonderful branding and sponsorship opportunities to a worldwide audience. If you could buy a 2nd division club with the attractions above, build a new stadium and have change from £40m, with the tax write offs initially........err hello! Business is a risk, if you are not taking risks - you are not in business. The premiership prize gets increasingly large, the bubble does not burst it just gets bigger, and 3 teams go up each year. Let's face it, Steve Lansdown is no bodies fool and a fabulously successful businessman - why would invest so much in City ( don't bother with anti Lansdown/city crap - it's not worth it) The stadium is the key that unlocks the potential and however you get there, UWE has planning permission, space, crowds and the desire to make it happen. Personally I am surprised that there has not been a deal before now but not surprised that interested parties are looking to pounce if the appeal fails. Just my opinion but what do I know - I am a Bristol Rovers Fan! add in straight off the m4 and 1 mile from a main train station, as opposed to a trip across bristol to the other lots place i like your summary though it makes for positive reading
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Post by michaelb on Sept 21, 2015 11:01:55 GMT
I am only asking a straight question . Henbury Gas made a BIG statement by suggesting I quote " Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved" ? . I am asking a simple question were is the evidence to back up such remarks ?? Otherwise: this is just talk : dreams and myth which may sound good to keep the machine alive . But does nothing to address pass failures and bring hope to the future. surely action speaks louder than words. I am not having a go Henbury Gas I just want to see delivery now instead of soundbites . I have been waiting since we left Eastville.. My recollection is that The council announced that in their blueprint for the area they are responsible for a stadium was required, I imagine UWE and BRFC probably thought all their christmases and come together !
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 21, 2015 11:02:16 GMT
" I live in Bath" - Reading that has made me feel dirty ! where about' s - I can be round in 5 mins if you are feeling really dirty! You live near Frankfurt ?
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 11:08:20 GMT
I don't understand that one?
Its just my restraining order that stop me living in Bristol, not choice. I have had a lot of treatment and now and I can mostly contain my violent outbursts, mostly.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2015 11:14:11 GMT
I am only asking a straight question . Henbury Gas made a BIG statement by suggesting I quote " Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved" ? . I am asking a simple question were is the evidence to back up such remarks ?? Otherwise: this is just talk : dreams and myth which may sound good to keep the machine alive . But does nothing to address pass failures and bring hope to the future. surely action speaks louder than words. I am not having a go Henbury Gas I just want to see delivery now instead of soundbites . I have been waiting since we left Eastville.. The fact that the UWE approached Chairman Higgs sort of confirms that the UWE had a Sports complex in mind before Higgs got involved and discussions converted it into a Football Stadium I have also asked my planning mate to see if any plans have been submitted by UWE before the Stadium plans
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 11:20:08 GMT
I am only asking a straight question . Henbury Gas made a BIG statement by suggesting I quote " Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved" ? . I am asking a simple question were is the evidence to back up such remarks ?? Otherwise: this is just talk : dreams and myth which may sound good to keep the machine alive . But does nothing to address pass failures and bring hope to the future. surely action speaks louder than words. I am not having a go Henbury Gas I just want to see delivery now instead of soundbites . I have been waiting since we left Eastville.. The fact that the UWE approached Chairman Higgs sort of confirms that the UWE had a Sports complex in mind before Higgs got involved and discussions converted it into a Football Stadium I have also asked my planning mate to see if any plans have been submitted by UWE before the Stadium plans Did they? I thought that the original contact was before Higgs was involved.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 21, 2015 11:43:32 GMT
Henbury Gas.
If you don't mind me saying that is slightly jumping ahead. The UWE may of contacted ROVERS to discuss a 'joint venture' based on funds coming from the sell of the MEM. However: you said I quote:" Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build before..".
If that is the case then why the dependency on Rovers via there press releases ?.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 21, 2015 12:24:23 GMT
I don't understand that one? Its just my restraining order that stop me living in Bristol, not choice. I have had a lot of treatment and now and I can mostly contain my violent outbursts, mostly. I can't contain mine. That's why I have a sponge brick next to me on the sofa when I watch the news.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2015 12:31:33 GMT
Henbury Gas. If you don't mind me saying that is slightly jumping ahead. The UWE may of contacted ROVERS to discuss a 'joint venture' based on funds coming from the sell of the MEM. However: you said I quote:" Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build before..". If that is the case then why the dependency on Rovers via there press releases ?. My Understanding of the situation is UWE wanted to build a sports complex on site and approached South Glos First. South Glos wanted a 21,712 cap stadium as part of the development plan At this point i believe Mr Laycock got involved and started to get involved with BRFC
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 21, 2015 12:37:56 GMT
Didn't the UWE plans come together after the original Mem plans bit the dust and the UWE then saw an oppertunity for Rovers to move to the UWE, I can't recall anybody ever mentioning there was a UWE stadium planned prior to Rovers annoucing there's at the UWE? As far as S Glos plans I wonder which came first the master plan or the UWE stadium plans?
Anyway Gasincider has now suggested on the OF he choose to leak the info himself so we've no idea if the consortium intend going public or notwith thier plans.
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Post by fanatical on Sept 21, 2015 14:00:07 GMT
IF there is a Plan B which involves a scaled down sized stadium etc surely that would involve agreement by the Planners and Partners?
Not much prestige to either
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:11:37 GMT
IF there is a Plan B which involves a scaled down sized stadium etc surely that would involve agreement by the Planners and Partners? Not much prestige to either UWE may not need or want partners, and with how things have gone with Sainsbury's, who could blame them if they wanted to go it alone?
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 14:12:21 GMT
I don't understand that one? Its just my restraining order that stop me living in Bristol, not choice. I have had a lot of treatment and now and I can mostly contain my violent outbursts, mostly. I can't contain mine. That's why I have a sponge brick next to me on the sofa when I watch the news. I would get one but my straight jacket does not permit me to throw things, it makes typing quite difficult as well!
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 21, 2015 14:36:15 GMT
I can't contain mine. That's why I have a sponge brick next to me on the sofa when I watch the news. I would get one but my straight jacket does not permit me to throw things, it makes typing quite difficult as well! You're lucky you've got a keyboard. I have to shout out what I want typed to my missus from the padded cell ! Tsk, some people have it easy.
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 21, 2015 15:19:13 GMT
Henbury Gas. If you don't mind me saying that is slightly jumping ahead. The UWE may of contacted ROVERS to discuss a 'joint venture' based on funds coming from the sell of the MEM. However: you said I quote:" Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build before..". If that is the case then why the dependency on Rovers via there press releases ?. My Understanding of the situation is UWE wanted to build a sports complex on site and approached South Glos First. South Glos wanted a 21,712 cap stadium as part of the development plan At this point i believe Mr Laycock got involved and started to get involved with BRFC 21,712 seems an odd number, why not 20,000 or 25,000? Regardless didn't your source on in S Glos planning indicate nobody had approached them to discuss downsizing the staduim capcity? We also have NH making it clear we had pp for Plan B, not that he didn't see getting pp would be a problem. Seems everything is being based on rumours i.e. Plan B is a reduced capacity stadium and CS has been brought in to see those plans though but Plan A can still be funded by a consortium. Whilst our BoD like to keep us in the dark it seems they reallyneed to address these rumours one way or the other.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 21, 2015 16:10:35 GMT
My Understanding of the situation is UWE wanted to build a sports complex on site and approached South Glos First. South Glos wanted a 21,712 cap stadium as part of the development plan At this point i believe Mr Laycock got involved and started to get involved with BRFC 21,712 seems an odd number, why not 20,000 or 25,000? Regardless didn't your source on in S Glos planning indicate nobody had approached them to discuss downsizing the staduim capcity? We also have NH making it clear we had pp for Plan B, not that he didn't see getting pp would be a problem. Seems everything is being based on rumours i.e. Plan B is a reduced capacity stadium and CS has been brought in to see those plans though but Plan A can still be funded by a consortium. Whilst our BoD like to keep us in the dark it seems they reallyneed to address these rumours one way or the other. I thought that the idea of a 20000 stadium had been in the South Gloucestershire development plan for a long time. Indeed I thought it was first mooted around the time of the failure of the original Stoke Gifford proposal decades ago as part of the Northavon district plan. I'll try to find some evidence to support this if I can get the Photostat machine to work
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 19:06:44 GMT
A question to those in the know.….
I have read your reasons why you decided to inform us of a consortium bid and I thank you for doing so otherwise we would never have found out. But what response were you hoping for from the rest of us? I don't mean a response if we believe it or not (for the record I do), but what did you expect from us, plan a protest? All demand Higgs out? You obviously want a reaction from us to do something about Higgs. What exactly do you hope from us to make the impact the consortium need? From what I have seen so far, you have received positive and negative comments but nothing that I can see that will effect Higgs in the slightest. If something is suggested that could help then maybe let us know? Thanks.
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Post by mjhgas on Sept 21, 2015 19:17:38 GMT
Not sure too much can be done until the Board announce something or a consortium reveals itself! Surprised the local media aren't digging further though!
I think Mr Higgs has every right to pursue the UWE until the Sainsburys decision is made!
After that, bring on the Russians, the Thais and Harry Redknapp!
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 21, 2015 19:23:59 GMT
Not sure too much can be done until the Board announce something or a consortium reveals itself! Surprised the local media aren't digging further though! I think Mr Higgs has every right to pursue the UWE until the Sainsburys decision is made! After that, bring on the Russians, the Thais and Harry Redknapp! Any local journalist worth his/her salt would be digging away. I contacted Radio Bristol last week and I'm assured that the Bristol Post is aware of the rumours. I'm afraid they're more interested in keeping in with the respective clubs and recycling press releases and old stuff off the club sites.
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