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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 20, 2015 20:43:12 GMT
And the reports which came back suggested ' no news or developments' in the above questions. So once again 'nothing doing'..
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 20, 2015 20:48:06 GMT
When will we ever learn.....mean while across at Trashton.....
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2015 20:48:28 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan?
I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press?
Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment.
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Post by Strange Gas on Sept 20, 2015 20:49:45 GMT
Sorry...I must have been out that day! It went on for more than one day I think it was a story from Vital, along the lines of UWE assessing viability of building a scaled down version of the stadium. Indeed and I think if you add in south glos to the equation, you may have 2 parts of "the consortium". If true, stands to reason Higgs not keen as whilst it potentially gets him access to stadium as a tenant, it reduces revenue generation and a sustainable club plans, so he won't be keen and may need a commercially savvy adviser to help him out of this particular corner. Or is that too sensible?
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 20, 2015 20:54:28 GMT
I personally don't see UWE wanting to build a stadium independently or any real clout in this consortium. I know that don't sound very romantic but I go by actions backed by evidence. I hear or see neither..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 21:28:01 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. So you're happy with the idea that we get a stadium for free, Higgsy gets the penny and the bun, and a university builds a stadium because, well, why would they do that? Maybe best not go there. However, you can't believe a football club, with proper financials, could pull off a scheme that we've so say been doing for the past four years or so. Are you sure? I don't think anyone's implied any buy-out would be straight-forward - indeed JTS's account basically says it's proving to be a struggle.
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 20, 2015 21:33:56 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. I don't think anyone's implied any buy-out would be straight-forward - indeed JTS's account basically says it's proving to be a struggle. Only surmising.......but could it be that any present directors are members of the rumoured consortium?.........................................
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Post by Thatslife on Sept 20, 2015 22:01:41 GMT
Am I right in thinking that in the structure of BRFC that the football club and the stadium are, on paper, owned by 2 different companies?
If you know how it's all put together could you please tell me.
Thanks.
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 6:07:35 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. I don't think it's ridiculous. Bristol - 6th/7th largest city in England. No premiere ship club. - massive untapped fan base potential. Bristol - 2 hours drive from most london clubs, 2 hours from most west midlands clubs. Attractive proposition for both home and away fans. Bristol - great city, party atmosphere in the centre, lots to do and see for a weekend visit. Investing in a loss making business - big tax write offs. Getting a stadium built within the grounds of the 6th largest uni in the country (40,000 students). Big cash generator. Getting into the premiere ship for one year - £100m+ just from the sponsorship. Stay in longer - very happy days. Parachute payments - £40m per year for 4 years. Wonderful branding and sponsorship opportunities to a worldwide audience. If you could buy a 2nd division club with the attractions above, build a new stadium and have change from £40m, with the tax write offs initially........err hello! Business is a risk, if you are not taking risks - you are not in business. The premiership prize gets increasingly large, the bubble does not burst it just gets bigger, and 3 teams go up each year. Let's face it, Steve Lansdown is no bodies fool and a fabulously successful businessman - why would invest so much in City ( don't bother with anti Lansdown/city crap - it's not worth it) The stadium is the key that unlocks the potential and however you get there, UWE has planning permission, space, crowds and the desire to make it happen. Personally I am surprised that there has not been a deal before now but not surprised that interested parties are looking to pounce if the appeal fails. Just my opinion but what do I know - I am a Bristol Rovers Fan!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2015 7:10:16 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. So you're happy with the idea that we get a stadium for free, Higgsy gets the penny and the bun, and a university builds a stadium because, well, why would they do that? Maybe best not go there. However, you can't believe a football club, with proper financials, could pull off a scheme that we've so say been doing for the past four years or so. Are you sure? I don't think anyone's implied any buy-out would be straight-forward - indeed JTS's account basically says it's proving to be a struggle. Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the Stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved ?
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2015 7:58:26 GMT
UWE want their car park don't they first and foremost? Higgs certainly intimated that has been a bit of a problem.
Wasn't us building that and naming rights etc part off an £8m offset/payment re the stadium?
How does that fit in to any and all plans other than the original?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 21, 2015 8:54:13 GMT
I don't think it's ridiculous. Bristol - 6th/7th largest city in England. No premiere ship club. - massive untapped fan base potential. Bristol - 2 hours drive from most london clubs, 2 hours from most west midlands clubs. Attractive proposition for both home and away fans. Bristol - great city, party atmosphere in the centre, lots to do and see for a weekend visit. Investing in a loss making business - big tax write offs. Getting a stadium built within the grounds of the 6th largest uni in the country (40,000 students). Big cash generator. Getting into the premiere ship for one year - £100m+ just from the sponsorship. Stay in longer - very happy days. Parachute payments - £40m per year for 4 years. Wonderful branding and sponsorship opportunities to a worldwide audience. If you could buy a 2nd division club with the attractions above, build a new stadium and have change from £40m, with the tax write offs initially........err hello! Business is a risk, if you are not taking risks - you are not in business. The premiership prize gets increasingly large, the bubble does not burst it just gets bigger, and 3 teams go up each year. Let's face it, Steve Lansdown is no bodies fool and a fabulously successful businessman - why would invest so much in City ( don't bother with anti Lansdown/city crap - it's not worth it) The stadium is the key that unlocks the potential and however you get there, UWE has planning permission, space, crowds and the desire to make it happen. Personally I am surprised that there has not been a deal before now but not surprised that interested parties are looking to pounce if the appeal fails. Just my opinion but what do I know - I am a Bristol Rovers Fan! Interceptor To do a deal you need two willing partners unless the seller is acting out of desperation. I believe numerous stories have come out over the years about willing buyers but reluctant sellers both under GoD and Nicholas...
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 21, 2015 9:09:52 GMT
HenburyGas Can you please provide a link which states the UWE 'was going to build the stadium before Bristol Rovers ever got involved ?. We await your rely. Many thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:37:39 GMT
HenburyGas Can you please provide a link which states the UWE 'was going to build the stadium before Bristol Rovers ever got involved ?. We await your rely. Many thanks. Even if he could, just because there's a link to it wouldn't make it true It's been mentioned more than once on here (and the previous forums) that the original idea came out of UWE, but I'm not sure anyone has ever claimed that they planned to build it before telling Rovers about the idea. Of course, that may all change now that the planning permission is in place and Rovers seem to be struggling to raise the money.
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 21, 2015 9:54:54 GMT
I assumed Plan B was UWE building the stadium for us and NH selling the Mem to clear his debts and pay off the Wonga loan? I'm with Bridgeman why would a consortium, who assume doesn't include the UWE want to spend £40m buying our NH and building the UWE when the club itself can't raise the finance? Also why is such a consortium using the FFS to leak the story instead of going direct to the local press? Even if there is some truth in the rumours I sense it's not going to be as straightforward as certain posters seem to be implying, and there will be strings attached to the investment. I don't think it's ridiculous. Bristol - 6th/7th largest city in England. No premiere ship club. - massive untapped fan base potential. Bristol - 2 hours drive from most london clubs, 2 hours from most west midlands clubs. Attractive proposition for both home and away fans. Bristol - great city, party atmosphere in the centre, lots to do and see for a weekend visit. Investing in a loss making business - big tax write offs. Getting a stadium built within the grounds of the 6th largest uni in the country (40,000 students). Big cash generator. Getting into the premiere ship for one year - £100m+ just from the sponsorship. Stay in longer - very happy days. Parachute payments - £40m per year for 4 years. Wonderful branding and sponsorship opportunities to a worldwide audience. If you could buy a 2nd division club with the attractions above, build a new stadium and have change from £40m, with the tax write offs initially........err hello! Business is a risk, if you are not taking risks - you are not in business. The premiership prize gets increasingly large, the bubble does not burst it just gets bigger, and 3 teams go up each year. Let's face it, Steve Lansdown is no bodies fool and a fabulously successful businessman - why would invest so much in City ( don't bother with anti Lansdown/city crap - it's not worth it) The stadium is the key that unlocks the potential and however you get there, UWE has planning permission, space, crowds and the desire to make it happen. Personally I am surprised that there has not been a deal before now but not surprised that interested parties are looking to pounce if the appeal fails. Just my opinion but what do I know - I am a Bristol Rovers Fan! Perhaps therein lies the problem, why should NH give up a fantatic business oppertunity he's created w/o a decent pay off, or at least a share in it's future success? Although that still doesn't answer why a business ready to invest £40m+ is leaking the story via a FFS member, something doesn't add up on that score.
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 10:21:35 GMT
I am just trying to answer the question - why would anyone invest. I agree you need a willing buyer and seller, but I don't know anything about those issues or that of leaked information. My very simple summary was just to outline that the idea of people wanting to invest in BRFC is not silly. I don't live in Bristol any longer, although it of course remains my spiritual home. I live in Bath,add that population to the potential audience and the fan base potential just keeps growing. It appears to me that we all get so bogged down in the issues of underinvestment in our beloved club that we miss the wider picture; there is a real opportunity here. Something is going to break soon, and as long as it is not BRFC, we might all be happier. I don't blame Higgs or any of the previous Board in having invested in the club and I honestly believe that they have always had the clubs best interests at heart, regardless of whether that is what transpired. Whether we get a new board or an enlarged board with fresh investment is irrelevant - we need a stadium and it is tantalisingly close in one form or another, because planning permission is granted!
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Sept 21, 2015 10:33:45 GMT
So you're happy with the idea that we get a stadium for free, Higgsy gets the penny and the bun, and a university builds a stadium because, well, why would they do that? Maybe best not go there. However, you can't believe a football club, with proper financials, could pull off a scheme that we've so say been doing for the past four years or so. Are you sure? I don't think anyone's implied any buy-out would be straight-forward - indeed JTS's account basically says it's proving to be a struggle. Are you not forgetting the UWE was going to build the Stadium BEFORE BRFC ever got involved ?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 21, 2015 10:34:59 GMT
" I live in Bath" - Reading that has made me feel dirty !
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 10:38:21 GMT
" I live in Bath" - Reading that has made me feel dirty ! where about' s - I can be round in 5 mins if you are feeling really dirty!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 10:45:26 GMT
I don't think it's ridiculous. Bristol - 6th/7th largest city in England. No premiere ship club. - massive untapped fan base potential. Bristol - 2 hours drive from most london clubs, 2 hours from most west midlands clubs. Attractive proposition for both home and away fans. Bristol - great city, party atmosphere in the centre, lots to do and see for a weekend visit. Investing in a loss making business - big tax write offs. Getting a stadium built within the grounds of the 6th largest uni in the country (40,000 students). Big cash generator. Getting into the premiere ship for one year - £100m+ just from the sponsorship. Stay in longer - very happy days. Parachute payments - £40m per year for 4 years. Wonderful branding and sponsorship opportunities to a worldwide audience. If you could buy a 2nd division club with the attractions above, build a new stadium and have change from £40m, with the tax write offs initially........err hello! Business is a risk, if you are not taking risks - you are not in business. The premiership prize gets increasingly large, the bubble does not burst it just gets bigger, and 3 teams go up each year. Let's face it, Steve Lansdown is no bodies fool and a fabulously successful businessman - why would invest so much in City ( don't bother with anti Lansdown/city crap - it's not worth it) The stadium is the key that unlocks the potential and however you get there, UWE has planning permission, space, crowds and the desire to make it happen. Personally I am surprised that there has not been a deal before now but not surprised that interested parties are looking to pounce if the appeal fails. Just my opinion but what do I know - I am a Bristol Rovers Fan! Perhaps therein lies the problem, why should NH give up a fantatic business oppertunity he's created w/o a decent pay off, or at least a share in it's future success? Although that still doesn't answer why a business ready to invest £40m+ is leaking the story via a FFS member, something doesn't add up on that score. Not sure he created it, if it's true that UWE first approached Rovers about the idea then it was handed to him on a plate, and if anything, the contract that he signed seems to have scuppered the deal rather than make sure it happened. I agree though about the story being leaked, there are channels that could have been used that may have been more effective. Still, not long to wait now to be told exactly what the problem is with this new money coming in, and then wait a day or two for Higgs to respond then we can maybe work out what's going on.
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