Angas
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Post by Angas on Jul 2, 2014 20:38:12 GMT
Disgusting and I f***ing hate bullies. Shameful display. Can things get any worse for Rovers at the moment? Honestly. Oh, they probably can. And if they do, I'm sure the BoD will be more than happy to see people on forums taking their anger out on fellow supporters. I hope the little gang that pounced on Wes are feeling happy with themselves. Such a great achievement. Who's next on the list
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aghast
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Post by aghast on Jul 2, 2014 21:48:13 GMT
I think Wes was a little hasty. The attacks were very nasty but only by a few. Many others during the spat said they supported him.
I think most posters would recognise that Wes was doing a great job in trying to share his views about potential new players. I think also that most posters would agree that Wes has the right to comment if he doesn't think that one of our new signings is right for the club. The many Harrold and O'Toole bashers must surely see that.
If Wes is still reading, I would urge him to rise up, dust himself off, and re-enter the debate.
It's a forum, mate. You have at least as many who agree with you as disagree. I would very much like to see Wes back here tryng in good faith to help the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 23:43:13 GMT
maybe the long term forum users could have a special sign by there avatar,then new posters like me would know not to be critical even if we disagreed totally with there comments? gasheadwes was savagely critical of 3 of our new players and i responded by saying that was very negative and unfair of him. maybe just throw all the newer people out? or failing that start an independent of the independant forum remember the monty python film "the holy grail" the peoples front of judae fighting against the judea peoples front? its all a bit like that
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jul 3, 2014 1:37:40 GMT
Anyone can be as critical of me as they like. Either they address my arguments, in which case I am happy to debate with them, or they get personally abusive, in which case they can **** off knowing that as far as I concerned they proved that they didn't have any real case to challenge me with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 5:43:33 GMT
maybe the long term forum users could have a special sign by there avatar,then new posters like me would know not to be critical even if we disagreed totally with there comments? gasheadwes was savagely critical of 3 of our new players and i responded by saying that was very negative and unfair of him. maybe just throw all the newer people out? or failing that start an independent of the independant forum remember the monty python film "the holy grail" the peoples front of judae fighting against the judea peoples front? its all a bit like that That was, The life of Brian,always look on the brightside of life is hard sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 9:09:01 GMT
maybe the long term forum users could have a special sign by there avatar,then new posters like me would know not to be critical even if we disagreed totally with there comments? gasheadwes was savagely critical of 3 of our new players and i responded by saying that was very negative and unfair of him. maybe just throw all the newer people out? or failing that start an independent of the independant forum remember the monty python film "the holy grail" the peoples front of judae fighting against the judea peoples front? its all a bit like that That was, The life of Brian,always look on the brightside of life is hard sometimes life of brian quite right,some do get crucified on here
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Angas
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Post by Angas on Jul 3, 2014 9:15:03 GMT
maybe the long term forum users could have a special sign by there avatar,then new posters like me would know not to be critical even if we disagreed totally with there comments? gasheadwes was savagely critical of 3 of our new players and i responded by saying that was very negative and unfair of him. maybe just throw all the newer people out? or failing that start an independent of the independant forum remember the monty python film "the holy grail" the peoples front of judae fighting against the judea peoples front? its all a bit like that It was the manner of the criticism from a few that was out of order imo. Wes replied in pretty decent fashion each time. Maybe he'd have done better to have an all out argument instead. Perhaps being reasonable encouraged some to carry on being unpleasant. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone's opinion. (Wes made that very point himself.) And nothing wrong with heated debate. What is wrong, imo, is bullying - which is how it came across. Wes won't have gone off licking his wounds. He'll have made a rational decision to take himself elsewhere. He's done it before - generally for no particular reason other than he had other things to do. I'm sure he's finding plenty of ways to occupy himself. He certainly won't be fretting about what's going on on here
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jul 3, 2014 9:23:03 GMT
so a bloke who's alerted us fans to many, many players now playing Championship level of above gets harranged as he uses watching games, reported media and thousands of hours of footage to spot them before they've even been mentioned as a propsect.
And guess what some of them never make it.
We succeeded previously by picking up the Barry Hayle's, and several dozen others like Purnell etc who succeeded to a point, and guess what at same time signed some who didn't. Yes gentleman (and knitters - one for Annie there) that's the point of scouting. You discard 80% trial 20% sign 10% and 5% of the 10% go on to as good or better things.
John Still and his guy's use social media, written media and youtube,sing loads keep a few but hey I guess your right we've done better than Dagenham and Luton haven't we,bet they havent sold any players for a hundreds and hundreds of thousands, secured league places recently or got a load in the Championship or L1 like we have, so Wes and Still's potty ideas - who needs them. Lets just carry on with expensive old, proven (injury prone) known people -it's worked really well so far.
Carry on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 9:48:49 GMT
That was, The life of Brian,always look on the brightside of life is hard sometimes life of brian quite right,some do get crucified on here only if theyve been very naught boys
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Post by rovers2 on Jul 3, 2014 9:53:05 GMT
so a bloke who's alerted us fans to many, many players now playing Championship level of above gets harranged as he uses watching games, reported media and thousands of hours of footage to spot them before they've even been mentioned as a propsect. And guess what some of them never make it. We succeeded previously by picking up the Barry Hayle's, and several dozen others like Purnell etc who succeeded to a point, and guess what at same time signed some who didn't. Yes gentleman (and knitters - one for Annie there) that's the point of scouting. You discard 80% trial 20% sign 10% and 5% of the 10% go on to as good or better things. John Still and his guy's use social media, written media and youtube,sing loads keep a few but hey I guess your right we've done better than Dagenham and Luton haven't we,bet they havent sold any players for a hundreds and hundreds of thousands, secured league places recently or got a load in the Championship or L1 like we have, so Wes and Still's potty ideas - who needs them. Lets just carry on with expensive old, proven (injury prone) known people -it's worked really well so far. Carry on Exactly, and what sort of scouting system do punters think we can afford to set up as a Conference Club? Exactly the one mancgas describes which needs people like Wes supplemented by others watching local games who can dedicate the time and knowledge.
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Post by richardhannay on Jul 3, 2014 11:12:31 GMT
Spot on because our recruitment of players in the last few years has been excellent hasn`t it ? Three examples Ashley Barnes(Paulton Rovers)and Charlie Austin(Poole Town),Gary Warren(Mangotsfield).People are quick to sneer but offer nothing constructive themselves,one reason why we are in this position is the apathy of large sections of the fanbase.Insanity Einstein said,is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result,the board as history has shown have yet to learn this lesson. Rod.
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Jul 3, 2014 23:59:52 GMT
We need a better scouting system full-stop, including non-league as that is where we are.
However Wes was not committed to undertaking any role for BRFC and he was certainly seemingly enthusiastic / good enough to. He had a great knowledge of non-league players and BRFC could have capitalised on that - if HE wanted to step forward.
Personally, I found his outburst against the Stuart Sinclair signing this week childish.
Don't make out that he is a victim of bullying - emotive stuff. He had more supporters than detractors forum, he decided to walk away when his methods were placed under scrutiny and criticism. If you keep recommending non-league players (3 to 4 times a week) and then severely criticise the choice of the Manager when he selects a non-league player, then you leave yourself open.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 4, 2014 0:22:40 GMT
I must have missed it but I didn't see any offensive posts aimed at Wes, just a number of posters suggesting if you recommend lots of players eventually you'll get one or two right. I was certainly interested how he came to know so many players and asked him and found it very enlightening how he did it and the amount of time he spent studying those he recommended. However, the reality is there are always going to be those who have different opinions and my view was that Wes didn't take kindly to his opinions being challenged or criticised and decided to take off. That I felt was a shame because I felt there were more of us who showed him support as opposed to criticism. If it makes you feel any better there were quite a number on the old OF who were equally critical of him.... At the end of the day it is only a forum, everyone's view is valid because it is just their view....c'est la vie !
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Post by lincolnfan on Jul 4, 2014 1:07:12 GMT
It does not matter which club it is but I think it is down to the Manager to select which players he wants to sign or trial and I think recommendations - or indeed warnings - are pretty much completely pointless serving only the purpose of debate on a message board. To put it brutally however brilliant the recommendations of Wes (or any others who do recommendations) the opinions don't count until he is the person concerned actually doing the hiring.
There are at least five clubs in Britain who have an annual "could Cureton still do a job for us" thread. Well he won't do a job for any of them unless the Manager in post agrees. If he doesn't it won't matter what the fans say and in that I believe him right.
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