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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 21:41:42 GMT
I was debating whether or not to reply as (apart from cringing a bit) I didn't want to clog up the Lee Mansell thread, so here goes....
It comes from a general interest in football, but a particular interest in the non-league scene. I watch games locally, but also further afield where possible. I keep up to date by all the ways/means you mention above (papers/internet etc). I did bits and pieces (spotting players for potential recruitment) for W-s-M a few years back, and when their assistant manager was appointed as head of youth recruitment (12to18) at C*ty, I was offered the opportunity to join his scouting team, but after much consideration couldn't accept, didn't feel right as a gashead!
I don't claim to be any great non-league 'oracle' or whatever, never have, just an opinionated football fan with an interest in non-league, and being a gashead, thought that knowledge of players could be of use to the football club, plus subsequently maybe worthy of discussion on a small Bristol Rovers internet forum.
As for this..."I'm sure I read on the official forum some while ago someone once approached BRFC about why none of his recommendations had been considered and they were advised that no one had ever heard of him."
I have tried to urge the club to sign various players in the past from Charlie Austin at Poole Town (ask Padstow Gas) to more recently Kieffer Moore at both Truro City AND Dorchester Town. That has been through either former Chief Scout Paul Molesworth (paul.molesworth@bristolrovers.co.uk), Keith Brookman (much appreciated!), Brian Seymour-Smith (waste of time), Chief Scout stuart_gray_9@msn.com (useless - a total and utter waste of time) and more recently lord of the manor Geoffrey Dunford esquire (very receptive actually, thanks again!).
I hope that sets the record straight.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 26, 2014 21:54:17 GMT
Became friendly with a football agent in Las Vegas who has had direct dealing with Paul Molesworth, safe to say I am very glad he has gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 22:00:15 GMT
Became friendly with a football agent in Las Vegas who has had direct dealing with Paul Molesworth, safe to say I am very glad he has gone.Yep, me too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 22:13:21 GMT
I was debating whether or not to reply as (apart from cringing a bit) I didn't want to clog up the Lee Mansell thread, so here goes.... It comes from a general interest in football, but a particular interest in the non-league scene. I watch games locally, but also further afield where possible. I keep up to date by all the ways/means you mention above (papers/internet etc). I did bits and pieces (spotting players for potential recruitment) for W-s-M a few years back, and when their assistant manager was appointed as head of youth recruitment (12to18) at C*ty, I was offered the opportunity to join his scouting team, but after much consideration couldn't accept, didn't feel right as a gashead! I don't claim to be any great non-league 'oracle' or whatever, never have, just an opinionated football fan with an interest in non-league, and being a gashead, thought that knowledge of players could be of use to the football club, plus subsequently maybe worthy of discussion on a small Bristol Rovers internet forum. As for this..."I'm sure I read on the official forum some while ago someone once approached BRFC about why none of his recommendations had been considered and they were advised that no one had ever heard of him." I have tried to urge the club to sign various players in the past from Charlie Austin at Poole Town (ask Padstow Gas) to more recently Kieffer Moore at both Truro City AND Dorchester Town. That has been through either former Chief Scout Paul Molesworth (paul.molesworth@bristolrovers.co.uk), Keith Brookman (much appreciated!), Brian Seymour-Smith (waste of time), Chief Scout stuart_gray_9@msn.com (useless - a total and utter waste of time) and more recently lord of the manor Geoffrey Dunford esquire (very receptive actually, thanks again!). I hope that sets the record straight. You did not have to reply, but I for one am happy you did. I always read your recommendations and always wondered how you knew so much. It really does make me mad when the club does not use the knowledge it's fan base has (be that players, media, hospitality etc).
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Post by Angas on Jun 26, 2014 22:25:51 GMT
Because, like one or two posters on here, they think they know it all!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 23:03:31 GMT
Like i said I've tried not to clog up the Mansell thread with guff about myself (boring), so in response to forumer 'intheknow' "There is no way Wes can have watched even half of the players he links on here in the flesh ( unless he travels 100,000 plus miles a season seven days a week)." Of course not! I watched Kieffer Moore in his 2nd (or 3rd?) game for Truro against W-s-M when he scored a diving header and generally bullied the centre backs, which i mentioned on a thread about Truro finances on the old forum and later on this thread too: z13.invisionfree.com/Bristol_Rovers_Alt/index.php?s=ab3c9c2d129db478f3f5afe838bdce81&showtopic=189&st=0I tried tipping the club off (Paul Molesworth) about Charlie Austin with no response, after first hearing about his exploits through various sources. I then contacted padstowgas on the forum (who claimed to be a scout) who said he would later pass the tip off directly to Paul Trollope at the fun/open day, as I couldn't make it that year. If padstowgas is to be believed (which I wouldn't doubt) he told Trolls and he said he would "take a look." You don't have to have even seen a player sometimes to know they are at least worth scouting, or even inviting for a trial: www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9935727.Football__Howe_spotted_star_striker_Austin_in_the_Daily_Echo/?ref=rss
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 27, 2014 0:10:31 GMT
Sorry Gasheadwes, I didn't mean to embarrass you but I am greatful for your response. I'm sure others like Oxongas and myself will understand your interest a little better in the future and why you have the knowledge you do and hopefully make others less critical towards you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 0:17:53 GMT
Sorry Gasheadwes, I didn't mean to embarrass you but I am greatful for your response. I'm sure others like Oxongas and myself will understand your interest a little better in the future and why you have the knowledge you do and hopefully make others less critical towards you. That's OK. To be honest mate, I couldn't really care less if people are critical or not as long as it's about the football, it's a game of opinions after all. Let 'em say whatever...tis all good.
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Jun 27, 2014 5:01:36 GMT
Like i said I've tried not to clog up the Mansell thread with guff about myself (boring), so in response to forumer 'intheknow' "There is no way Wes can have watched even half of the players he links on here in the flesh ( unless he travels 100,000 plus miles a season seven days a week)." Of course not! I watched Kieffer Moore in his 2nd (or 3rd?) game for Truro against W-s-M when he scored a diving header and generally bullied the centre backs, which i mentioned on a thread about Truro finances on the old forum and later on this thread too: z13.invisionfree.com/Bristol_Rovers_Alt/index.php?s=ab3c9c2d129db478f3f5afe838bdce81&showtopic=189&st=0I tried tipping the club off (Paul Molesworth) about Charlie Austin with no response, after first hearing about his exploits through various sources. I then contacted padstowgas on the forum (who claimed to be a scout) who said he would later pass the tip off directly to Paul Trollope at the fun/open day, as I couldn't make it that year. If padstowgas is to be believed (which I wouldn't doubt) he told Trolls and he said he would "take a look." You don't have to have even seen a player sometimes to know they are at least worth scouting, or even inviting for a trial: www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9935727.Football__Howe_spotted_star_striker_Austin_in_the_Daily_Echo/?ref=rssHow you doing mate? Austin really is 'the one that got away' for several teams I think! For a bit of further clarity; Swindon had a bit of an advantage too as their chairman at the time that Austin joined was also the Hungerford chairman when Austin was prolific for them...
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Post by phoenix1 on Jun 27, 2014 6:59:53 GMT
I have read quite a lot of your posts GasheadWes and find that you talk a lot of sense. No doubt there is a lot of untapped talent out there- teams like Bournemouth and Peterborough have been doing it to great effect for a number of years and at a much higher level than Rovers. People had not heard of Nigel Martyn, Devon White, Ian Alexander or Andy Reece before we took a punt on them. Similarly Hayles and Foster. I would much rather the Club looked at young ambitious players than old journeymen. Whilst appreciating that we need some experience in the team, I also share your reservations about Lee Mansell. He could not get into Torquay's team last season and they were pathetic with their only stand out player being the young guy on loan from tottenham. He is probably an honest hard worker with a good work rate but can he pass accurately and do the other basics well that make a professional footballer? time will tell. I am not knocking his signing but he is hardly going to put an extra couple of thousand on the crowd is he? Teams like Fleetwood snapped up Sarcevic, Peterbourough snapped up Mackail-Smith and George Boyd from non -league. Young flair players and among the best players to grace the Mem in recent seasons. I liked Rod Chapman's idea of forging closer links with local non-league chairmen and would suggest that this shouldbe extended to other non-league clubs, not just based in the west country. Yes it will take hard work and effort to widen the scouting net but Darrell clarke and Marcus Stewart cannot be the only scouts for the club lokking at players within a 80 mile radius of Bristol.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jun 27, 2014 7:43:55 GMT
Wes, I think I suggested you get in touch with a friend of mine Dave Gardner who has his own Scouting network from Cheltenham down to the deep SW. Not sure if you ever touched base but they have suggested players to the likes of all the local clubs and as far afield as Inverness CT - I am going up there with him to see our pal Gary Warren play v Hamilton Accies in November. He has some particularly good contacts at Cheltenham, City, Exeter, Plymouth and I am sure would appreciate a chat. PM if interested! Simon
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Post by Bath Gas on Jun 27, 2014 9:13:38 GMT
Always find your posts, and recommendations an interesting read, Wes. Hopefully GD may prove to be the man to ensure that your info finally gets passed on!
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Post by vaughan on Jun 27, 2014 12:02:09 GMT
So would you not be prepared to take up a voluntary scouting role for BRFC that would involve travel and live games? I am certain that you dismissed this in another recent thread based on health grounds?
Dave Gardner is a nice guy - as I met him at Cheltenham cricket festival last year and we spoke about his scouting. He recommended Marlon Pack to Sean O'Driscoll. However, he is staunchly BCFC!
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Post by intheknow on Jun 27, 2014 12:31:36 GMT
Because, like one or two posters on here, they think they know it all! More snidey comments ? You really should practice what you preach
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Post by dmacca65 on Jun 27, 2014 12:37:15 GMT
Wes, I think I suggested you get in touch with a friend of mine Dave Gardner who has his own Scouting network from Cheltenham down to the deep SW. Not sure if you ever touched base but they have suggested players to the likes of all the local clubs and as far afield as Inverness CT - I am going up there with him to see our pal Gary Warren play v Hamilton Accies in November. He has some particularly good contacts at Cheltenham, City, Exeter, Plymouth and I am sure would appreciate a chat. PM if interested! Simon The mighty ICT, they have had a few players in the recent past I would have liked to seen in the Blue & White quarters!
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Post by intheknow on Jun 27, 2014 12:50:49 GMT
Because, like one or two posters on here, they think they know it all! More snidey comments ? You really should practice what you preach
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 27, 2014 13:32:17 GMT
Ive been doing a bit of internet scouting myself. Here's a player we really should consider signing: Just shows. Other than penalties, nearly all of his goals come from crosses into the 6-yard box. Not a single goal resulting from a long ball up to Matt with his back to goal. Tactically, we played it wrong with Matt in the side
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Post by Alveston Gas on Jun 27, 2014 13:48:50 GMT
So would you not be prepared to take up a voluntary scouting role for BRFC that would involve travel and live games? I am certain that you dismissed this in another recent thread based on health grounds? Dave Gardner is a nice guy - as I met him at Cheltenham cricket festival last year and we spoke about his scouting. He recommended Marlon Pack to Sean O'Driscoll. However, he is staunchly BCFC! He is definitely a City supporter but if he wants to make a success of scouting/recommending he needs to spread further than that which to his credit he does. His Uncle is involved at FGR, he knows people at Exeter, Plymouth, Cheltenham and as I said before has contact with Inverness. Personally I would have thought that contact with Dave would be another option for Wes if BRFC not appreciative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 14:00:52 GMT
Fordy - I'm good thanks mate. It makes me laugh about the former Hungerford chairman, if he rated him so much, why not get Austin in before he trialled at Bournemouth, or soon after? I understand at one point Eddie Howe was close to getting 'special dispensation' to sign him, but that was later vetoed. Just to clarify, I informed Molesworth about him by email months before that 'muff trial, and then he even went back to Poole the following season scoring 18 goals in 11 games, before Swindon finally made a move taking him on trial in September. Alveston Gas - Thanks for that mate. I'm hoping to have a little holiday soon, but I'll keep that in mind for when I return.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 14:16:15 GMT
Like i said I've tried not to clog up the Mansell thread with guff about myself (boring), so in response to forumer 'intheknow' "There is no way Wes can have watched even half of the players he links on here in the flesh ( unless he travels 100,000 plus miles a season seven days a week)." Of course not! I watched Kieffer Moore in his 2nd (or 3rd?) game for Truro against W-s-M when he scored a diving header and generally bullied the centre backs, which i mentioned on a thread about Truro finances on the old forum and later on this thread too: z13.invisionfree.com/Bristol_Rovers_Alt/index.php?s=ab3c9c2d129db478f3f5afe838bdce81&showtopic=189&st=0I tried tipping the club off (Paul Molesworth) about Charlie Austin with no response, after first hearing about his exploits through various sources. I then contacted padstowgas on the forum (who claimed to be a scout) who said he would later pass the tip off directly to Paul Trollope at the fun/open day, as I couldn't make it that year. If padstowgas is to be believed (which I wouldn't doubt) he told Trolls and he said he would "take a look." You don't have to have even seen a player sometimes to know they are at least worth scouting, or even inviting for a trial: www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9935727.Football__Howe_spotted_star_striker_Austin_in_the_Daily_Echo/?ref=rssWES yes i still scout and can confirm that i spoke to Trollope about Austin and he told me i didnt know what i was talking about,i called him a pratt and walked away
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