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Post by Angas on Aug 25, 2015 16:59:34 GMT
And in that sentence you sum up for me exactly why the original gas trust had problems winning over the fan base. Wrong time, wrong people, I'm afraid. Ann, I can empathise with the gist of that thought, but sadly I don't think the response it received was entirely down to who was involved, or when. There have been too many similar reactions to other people at other times. There's an intrinsic vein of Tall Poppy Syndrome at the club that triggers a wall of suspicion and resistance to anyone who might seek to do 'something' / instigate improvement / rock the boat / get above themselves / cause trouble / be in it for themselves [delete according to personal infection by the syndrome] Not entirely, no. Sadly though I think there have been bleaker times over the last fifteen years that might have been more opportune for initial set up of a trust. And, in addition to that in-built Tall Poppy Syndrome, anything put forward now has to also overcome the history of every potential scheme that has gone before. |
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Post by Angas on Aug 25, 2015 17:00:37 GMT
There is an existing supporters group called Bristol Rovers Supporters Club with in excess of 1,800 members. Well, isn't that wonderful. |
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Post by The Gas on Aug 25, 2015 17:14:28 GMT
There is an existing supporters group called Bristol Rovers Supporters Club with in excess of 1,800 members. Well, isn't that wonderful. Angas, come back to me when an alternative supporters group reach 200 members. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:26:14 GMT
There is an existing supporters group called Bristol Rovers Supporters Club with in excess of 1,800 members. Slightly off topic and genuine question, but are there really in excess of 1,800 members of the Supporters' Club? it's true I don't know everybody's status on it, but I don't knowingly know anyone who's in it. I know people who used to be in it ("I don't want to go on their spaggy coach, so I didn't bother renewing"). Plus, 'in excess of 1,800' is about a third of the home gate. I find that figure intriguing. I wonder who they all are. |
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Post by Angas on Aug 25, 2015 17:38:35 GMT
Well, isn't that wonderful. Angas, come back to me when an alternative supporters group reach 200 members. Will do. Wouldn't it be good if it was one that would be grammatically correct in having an apostrophe on the end of "supporters" and that didn't believe that it's top priority was to support the board financially no matter what. |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Aug 25, 2015 17:40:48 GMT
There is an existing supporters group called Bristol Rovers Supporters Club with in excess of 1,800 members. Slightly off topic and genuine question, but are there really in excess of 1,800 members of the Supporters' Club? it's true I don't know everybody's status on it, but I don't knowingly know anyone who's in it. I know people who used to be in it ("I don't want to go on their spaggy coach, so I didn't bother renewing"). Plus, 'in excess of 1,800' is about a third of the home gate. I find that figure intriguing. I wonder who they all are. I'm a member  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:52:26 GMT
Slightly off topic and genuine question, but are there really in excess of 1,800 members of the Supporters' Club? it's true I don't know everybody's status on it, but I don't knowingly know anyone who's in it. I know people who used to be in it ("I don't want to go on their spaggy coach, so I didn't bother renewing"). Plus, 'in excess of 1,800' is about a third of the home gate. I find that figure intriguing. I wonder who they all are. I'm a member Well there's one. I can see that some people would join a s a matter of principle, but if you don't get that principle, and don't want to go on the coaches, I can't see why anyone would join. Does that add up to 'in excess of 1,800'? When I had a season ticket, I used to think that should automatically enrol you in the SC (albeit with the membership fee tagged on to the price) - what better criterion for membership and maybe kick-starting involvement. As it was, I was never motivated enough to be other than auto-enrolled, so never joined. While considering the option that I'm the extraordinary one here, over 1,800 still amazes me. I must be well out of step. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 17:55:28 GMT
Angas, come back to me when an alternative supporters group reach 200 members. Will do. Wouldn't it be good if it was one that would be grammatically correct in having an apostrophe on the end of "supporters" and that didn't believe that it's top priority was to support the board financially no matter what. * checks previous post (fortunately unedited for the sake of evidential integrity) and feels sense of relief, bordering on smugness, on spotting a correctly placed apostrophe *  |
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Post by Angas on Aug 25, 2015 18:08:46 GMT
Will do. Wouldn't it be good if it was one that would be grammatically correct in having an apostrophe on the end of "supporters" and that didn't believe that it's top priority was to support the board financially no matter what. * checks previous post (fortunately unedited for the sake of evidential integrity) and feels sense of relief, bordering on smugness, on spotting a correctly placed apostrophe * Ha ha. Well done you. But I'd never pull anyone up on grammar. Re-read my post, as quoted by you here, to see why. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 18:31:20 GMT
Well, isn't that wonderful. Angas, come back to me when an alternative supporters group reach 200 members. Ooooooh get you full of your own self importance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 18:41:31 GMT
Will do. Wouldn't it be good if it was one that would be grammatically correct in having an apostrophe on the end of "supporters" and that didn't believe that it's top priority was to support the board financially no matter what. * checks previous post (fortunately unedited for the sake of evidential integrity) and feels sense of relief, bordering on smugness, on spotting a correctly placed apostrophe * Maybe no apostrophe required. Without one the following word only makes sense if it's a verb, therfore it becomes a statement that supporters engage in the act of clubbing. This could be a trip to The Dog House or The Lacarno, or maybe some form of violant attack or even cull of anyone who thinks that the Share Scheme isn't an attack on Geoff Dunford? Edit. Ref the number of SC members. Wasn't it the case that only members could travel on coaches booked by the SC? If that's correct, maybe membership was required to book a coach seat to Wembley. |
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Post by fanatical on Aug 25, 2015 19:24:16 GMT
Too many with the ability to make something like this happen have been thwarted time and again by Twatola who has an uncanny knack of influencing the BOD - for anyone to waste their time. Until and unless the current Board changes no progress will ever be made. You over estimate Watola. and you under estimate Twatola's influence on the current and past Board memebers. And the reason we are where we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 19:31:33 GMT
* checks previous post (fortunately unedited for the sake of evidential integrity) and feels sense of relief, bordering on smugness, on spotting a correctly placed apostrophe * Maybe no apostrophe required. Without one the following word only makes sense if it's a verb, therfore it becomes a statement that supporters engage in the act of clubbing. This could be a trip to The Dog House or The Lacarno, or maybe some form of violant attack or even cull of anyone who thinks that the Share Scheme isn't an attack on Geoff Dunford? Edit. Ref the number of SC members. Wasn't it the case that only members could travel on coaches booked by the SC? If that's correct, maybe membership was required to book a coach seat to Wembley. Ah. That would make sense and tie in with my thought that people either joined on principle or for coach travel, but would that really exceed 1,800? Freakishly, in 2015, yes. So this 'in excess of 1,800' is an atypical figure, produced by a one-off surge in demand for transport rather than a reflection of people's on-going commitment to the Supporters' Club. I feel less at odds with the world. Out of interest, what was the membership a year ago? Maybe Ann's target figure could be adjusted to reflect that. |
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Post by markczgas on Aug 25, 2015 19:53:52 GMT
Back to the subject.
Amongst our group there are SC members. What they and I think is that the SC directors are unable or unwilling to present fans' concerns to the board and also are incapable of projecting a critical stance that may/does reflect the concerns of big numbers of Gasheads. Basically they are too close to the Board, particularly Masters.
This is an alternative / a fresh start. We are reaching out to you guys, the club desperately needs it !!
One issue that MUST be on your minds is HOW is the club going to pay back the 2 Million loan acquired to fight Sainsbury's ? Club debts are extremely high already.
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Post by The Gas on Aug 25, 2015 19:55:08 GMT
There is an existing supporters group called Bristol Rovers Supporters Club with in excess of 1,800 members. Slightly off topic and genuine question, but are there really in excess of 1,800 members of the Supporters' Club? it's true I don't know everybody's status on it, but I don't knowingly know anyone who's in it. I know people who used to be in it ("I don't want to go on their spaggy coach, so I didn't bother renewing"). Plus, 'in excess of 1,800' is about a third of the home gate. I find that figure intriguing. I wonder who they all are. There are currently 1,850 members, thus me saying in excess of 1,800.
This figure was confirmed to me today by the Supporters Club
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Post by The Gas on Aug 25, 2015 19:57:49 GMT
Back to the subject. Amongst our group there are SC members. What they and I think is that the SC directors are unable or unwilling to present fans' concerns to the board and also are incapable of projecting a critical stance that may/does reflect the concerns of big numbers of Gasheads. Basically they are too close to the Board, particularly Masters. This is an alternative / a fresh start. We are reaching out to you guys, the club desperately needs it !! One issue that MUST be on your minds is HOW is the club going to pay back the 2 Million loan acquired to fight Sainsbury's ? Club debts are extremely high already. This is total rubbish and perhaps you can provide evidence of that statement. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 25, 2015 19:59:03 GMT
And how many of that 1850 care about the Fans.directors or anything else?
How many of that number are not regular attendees or are and just pay for an.SC membership in case a big game comes along?
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 25, 2015 20:01:51 GMT
Back to the subject. Amongst our group there are SC members. What they and I think is that the SC directors are unable or unwilling to present fans' concerns to the board and also are incapable of projecting a critical stance that may/does reflect the concerns of big numbers of Gasheads. Basically they are too close to the Board, particularly Masters. This is an alternative / a fresh start. We are reaching out to you guys, the club desperately needs it !! One issue that MUST be on your minds is HOW is the club going to pay back the 2 Million loan acquired to fight Sainsbury's ? Club debts are extremely high already. This is total rubbish and perhaps you can provide evidence of that statement. Where is the evidence they do? Regsrdless some people keep saying BSS doesnt agree with some of what has gone on, trouble is, how do we know? |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Aug 25, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
I think some people underestimate Brian but that's just my opinion - good debate by the way
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Post by markczgas on Aug 25, 2015 20:33:52 GMT
I think some people underestimate Brian but that's just my opinion - good debate by the way How do we know Jon ? you gotta back it up ! |
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