kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 29, 2014 19:09:39 GMT
Swiss, Can I ask, what in particular do you feel he could have said or made clearer ? He is hamstrung by the board so he says " within the remit" BSS, he's a good guy but he has to work with a board who are not receptive to any change put forward by us plebs. The problem is the board, led by a bully  , can veto anything he or others like him put forward. His Sister died last week and yet he is still at least trying to reply. I don't mean this as a dig at you mate but can you tell me what you would have wanted him to say please ? Thanks Fair point KP I don't mind backing up what I posted. I'm sorry to hear Brian's sister died and I am sure that is something which is understandably very hard to cope with. But a first rule of business is that you don't bring personal circumstances into play when talking about business matters. There was no need to mention the funeral or his stay in hospital because, rightly or wrongly, that may be construed as trying to win sympathy and validate a poor excuse for failing to do something. There is no structure to the message in fact it is incoherent and mainly consists of a string of platitudes we have heard before. I don't know what Brian's illness is but if it is affecting his ability to string two sentences together then he should either pass the responsibility onto Ken or get a friend to help editing his messages before they are put out. It is very discourteous to fans to include lines like "many people volunteer their services without thought of financial reward" because it implies that we "plebs" as you say have to bow down before the "volunteers" and we all know the most esteemed "volunteers" are the board themselves. Everyone knows and respects that people do volunteer work for Rovers but we don't want it rammed down our throats. Likewise "the changes to be announced shortly" is the same old line we have heard before and is highly insulting and unnecessary. If Brian is a professional Public Relations man and if he really is striving for and believes in free and open dialogue then, despite restrictions placed on him by other members of the board, he should be capable of finding a way of getting that message across to us in a convincing way. To me the message above is shoddy and hardly a thought has been given to it's content which is inexcusable in any circumstances. Thanks for that Swiss, I know that many will maybe see me as a BSS apologist but that is far from the truth but I do take people as I see them and there have been 2 or 3 times when I needed help with me being very ill at the time and he helped me. I also then had the now well publicised spat with the club over Sophie and photos and BSS actually did not side with the boys and tried to help so, on a personal level I can say that he is a decent guy where I have asked him to help me. I fully understand the anger and frustration by all of us but more for those who have paid into the share scheme. Fact is both fans directors are not directors at all & it seems they are tolerated by the board. Brian has often vented his frustrations in the bar, after games. My own perception of this is very much a case of his masters voice, pun intended. Thing is, what is the alternative ? I am buggered if I know. If they did resign then what would it actually achieve ? Once again I don't know. The worst part is knowing that whoever was in those positions would be in the same position with the power of veto over them. I think the only way to get the boards full attention would be a boycott plus banners and vociferous sledging from the people at games. Swansea did it and rid themselves of a nasty piece of work on the process. I get what you say about the death and I understand your reasons in why you said it. I wish I knew the answers. I guess we may find out what some that are better tactically than me can come up with at the meeting at the Wellington. I would love to think that plans could be put I to place that would get me to rethink my decision not to go. I hope the changes that GD & BSS keep intimating on are well thought out and give the club a chance of maybe getting back the spirit of our once great little club. |
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jun 29, 2014 19:37:32 GMT
Sorry in advance about this, and I'll probably get some flack for it.
I don't want to belittle his bereavement and own ill health but honestly his use of it in that abysmal post leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Remember this is the guy who posted on this forum 'honestly guys I'm not fobbing you off', the day before the OF was taken down without notice.
He comes across as an OK guy at first, certainly compared to Comin' 'ome who's continued presence in Box 1 I find just downright baffling, but the longer you are aware of him, the more you see his track record of platitudes and outright bull****.
Either they agree with the shambles presided over by Higgs or they should resign. Hearing of him giving it the "I'm on your side guys, but they always vote us down" in the bar when by his own account he voted for KS's ban without having a clue what it was supposed to be for does not impress me any more than GoD's cryptic tweets insinuating that if he was still in charge we wouldn't be in this mess. As it is I just see a couple of good time Charlies who like hanging around Box 1 and getting whatever they can for themselves out of it.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 29, 2014 19:41:43 GMT
Sorry in advance about this, and I'll probably get some flack for it. I don't want to belittle his bereavement and own ill health but honestly his use of it in that abysmal post leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Remember this is the guy who posted on this forum 'honestly guys I'm not fobbing you off', the day before the OF was taken down without notice. He comes across as an OK guy at first, certainly compared to Comin' 'ome who's continued presence in Box 1 I find just downright baffling, but the longer you are aware of him, the more you see his track record of platitudes and outright bull****. Either they agree with the shambles presided over by Higgs or they should resign. Hearing of him giving it the "I'm on your side guys, but they always vote us down" in the bar when by his own account he voted for KS's ban without having a clue what it was supposed to be for does not impress me any more than GoD's cryptic tweets insinuating that if he was still in charge we wouldn't be in this mess. As it is I just see a couple of good time Charlies who like hanging around Box 1 and getting whatever they can for themselves out of it. When you put it so bluntly then it's hard to disagree tbf |
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Post by bs10er on Jun 29, 2014 20:10:14 GMT
Well I am glad that I am not a fans director,BSS posted why he could not make the meeting Tuesday,and he is then jumped on by all.A no win situation on this forum.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 29, 2014 20:20:12 GMT
Well I am glad that I am not a fans director,BSS posted why he could not make the meeting Tuesday,and he is then jumped on by all.A no win situation on this forum. There is a lot of understandable anger over the share scheme and I get that but I don't understand the outright hatred of the guy. As I said, I wish I had the answers. |
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Post by swissgas on Jun 29, 2014 20:21:50 GMT
We all have good and bad characteristics and Brian is no different. But the endemic disease at Rovers is that we don't build on the good characteristics and we don't address the bad characteristics. In fact from the top to bottom of the club we ignore the good things and assume they will continue and we pretend the bad things don't exist. It really is quite simple and here are a few of examples / predictions.
We assume Jamie White will continue scoring goals and there is no need to coach any improvement into him but we pretend his injury problems don't exist instead of addressing them with the aim of preventing them coming back to bite us.
We assume fans will turn up in numbers for the Conference as a matter of duty but pretend it's not possible we'll have a poor start to the season so there is no need to make sure the first few games are well supported through specific incentives.
We assume Brian Seymour-Smith will keep the fans in order with his genial outpourings and pretend he is not losing credibility through announcements consisting of disjointed drivel so there every reason to expect fans will remain passive and no need at all to give him good and genuine information to disseminate in a coherent and convincing way.
But Swissgas you old blatherer I hear you say, how do you know Rovers aren't planning to do all this ?
It's a feeling in my water !
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jozer
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Post by jozer on Jun 29, 2014 20:51:20 GMT
I don't know what Brian's illness is but if it is affecting his ability to string two sentences together then he should either pass the responsibility onto Ken Swiss, I laughed out loud when I read this bit, then I asked myself 'why'? You've highlighted the total shambles of the 'Fans Directors' nonsense in a few words. Of course if there was any thinking put in to the posts that's exactly what would happen, and yet we've become so used to the two of them barely even appearing to occupy the same space-time slot, let alone work together on behalf of the SS members that the suggestion that if one of them can't perform a duty then the other one might be expected to take their place is just so funny. As if Comin' 'ome would bother even pretending to be of any use like Brian does! Here's a question. Who at the SC manages these two, as in sets the framework of expectations and monitors their actual performance against that? I think the answer from the SC would be 'Huh?'. The job advert might as well read 'excellent opportunity for carpetbagger to fill his boots'. |
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Post by jozer on Jun 29, 2014 21:34:55 GMT
Well I am glad that I am not a fans director,BSS posted why he could not make the meeting Tuesday,and he is then jumped on by all.A no win situation on this forum. There is a lot of understandable anger over the share scheme and I get that but I don't understand the outright hatred of the guy. As I said, I wish I had the answers. I don't hate anyone at Rovers. They're nothing to do with any part of my life that I would ever hate anyone over. I just hate what they're doing to the club. If BSS had done a load of good in the past then my reaction to his statement might be totally different. But it's not just this. He has a track record of making wooly, nice-sounding statements that contain no substance and then moving on to the next hobby horse. I dare say he does other stuff and his family are fond of him and all, but as a 'Fans Director' at Rovers he's all sh1t and no shovel. |
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 29, 2014 21:44:05 GMT
There is a lot of understandable anger over the share scheme and I get that but I don't understand the outright hatred of the guy. As I said, I wish I had the answers. I don't hate anyone at Rovers. They're nothing to do with any part of my life that I would ever hate anyone over. I just hate what they're doing to the club. If BSS had done a load of good in the past then my reaction to his statement might be totally different. But it's not just this. He has a track record of making wooly, nice-sounding statements that contain no substance and then moving on to the next hobby horse. I dare say he does other stuff and his family are fond of him and all, but as a 'Fans Director' at Rovers he's all sh1t and no shovel. But he did get happy hour and an extra 2 TV's !!!  You have to laugh mate. It's a bloody shambles |
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Post by Angas on Jun 29, 2014 22:28:28 GMT
The position of Fans' Director should have been abolished years ago, when it became clear the disregard the board had for the Share Scheme.
That's why I get angry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 22:42:54 GMT
I don't hate anyone at Rovers. They're nothing to do with any part of my life that I would ever hate anyone over. I just hate what they're doing to the club. If BSS had done a load of good in the past then my reaction to his statement might be totally different. But it's not just this. He has a track record of making wooly, nice-sounding statements that contain no substance and then moving on to the next hobby horse. I dare say he does other stuff and his family are fond of him and all, but as a 'Fans Director' at Rovers he's all sh1t and no shovel. But he did get happy hour and an extra 2 TV's !!! You have to laugh mate. It's a bloody shambles To be fair that is the blokes limit. Even tho he is on the board he has no influence over anything and if he does relay what supporters concerns are,I expect he is told to sit down pretty sharpish and to tell the menials that they can have another `quid a kid game` to appease them. And a `happy hour` after wasting another 90 minutes of their life. Its not really a case of having `the balls` and standing up for what the people he represents want,its just a `title`with no worth. |
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Post by Angas on Jun 29, 2014 22:45:19 GMT
But he did get happy hour and an extra 2 TV's !!! You have to laugh mate. It's a bloody shambles To be fair that is the blokes limit. Even tho he is on the board he has no influence over anything and if he does relay what supporters concerns are,I expect he is told to sit down pretty sharpish and to tell the menials that they can have another `quid a kid game` to appease them. And a `happy hour` after wasting another 90 minutes of their life. Its not really a case of having `the balls` and standing up for what the people he represents want,its just a `title`with no worth. Exactly. |
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Post by Igitur on Jun 30, 2014 7:17:10 GMT
To be fair that is the blokes limit. Even tho he is on the board he has no influence over anything and if he does relay what supporters concerns are,I expect he is told to sit down pretty sharpish and to tell the menials that they can have another `quid a kid game` to appease them. And a `happy hour` after wasting another 90 minutes of their life. Its not really a case of having `the balls` and standing up for what the people he represents want,its just a `title`with no worth. Exactly. Do not forget the suggestion box. |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 30, 2014 20:41:33 GMT
Really hope we get another good turnout tomorrow night and look forward to meeting up with other concerned Rovers fan's
Please try to attend if you possibly can. UTG
TOMORROW NIGHT, THE WELLINGTON, HORFIELD, 7.30PM
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Post by pirate49 on Jun 30, 2014 21:01:24 GMT
Really hope we get another good turnout tomorrow night and look forward to meeting up with other concerned Rovers fan's Please try to attend if you possibly can. UTG
TOMORROW NIGHT, THE WELLINGTON, HORFIELD, 7.30PMJon, Mark and I had a really productive planning meeting this evening. We discussed merging with BRISA, subject to the approval of those present tomorrow. If approved we would be speaking as one, with the weight of numbers behind us! |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 30, 2014 21:43:38 GMT
Please please come if you are still not sure and are sitting on the fence about going. It will be an exciting night(well not quite as magic as Gas beating the sh**) but exciting news to be announced and plenty of opportunities for all of you to join in on. Let's keep the impetus going to unify our GREAT support !
Up The Gas !
Mark
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 30, 2014 22:10:41 GMT
As Mark says above:
Please come along if you possibly can
Have YOUR say!
TOMORROW NIGHT (TUESDAY) THE WELLINGTON, HORFIELD. 7.30PM EVERYONE WELCOME. NO CONDITIONS. NO TICKETS NEEDED.
IF YOU CARE ABOUT BRISTOL ROVERS - YOU'RE INVITED!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 22:13:38 GMT
Have a great meeting, wish I could make it. Great news about everybody joining together, fingers crossed it happens.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 30, 2014 22:15:16 GMT
Have a great meeting, wish I could make it. Great news about everybody joining together, fingers crossed it happens. Thanks Oxon, Less Factions, More actions! UTG |
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 30, 2014 22:16:06 GMT
any one thinking of going from Cheddar and could share the ride? get in touch
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, can veto anything he or others like him put forward. 
