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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 5, 2015 15:36:39 GMT
Ellis is just 21 for gods sake and has a year of his contract to run therefore it is irrelevant at this time and so it should be.He is one of the few youth players to actually make the first team squad regularly and all his goals this season have been important ones. How he does between now and the end of next season when he will still only be 22 will define whether he is offered a new contract. He could still be the next Marcus Stewart but he could also be the next Ben Swallow or any of a long line of young players who did not make it. It is our job to get behind him and give him a good chance to make it noy criticise his every move and only praise his goals. Well said Steve. Totally agree. It's a shame so many seen hellbent on bringing the lad down
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 5, 2015 15:48:44 GMT
Totally agree. It's a shame so many seen hellbent on bringing the lad down In fairness I don't see many, if any people on this or the other site, who are hellbent on bringing him down. I think opinions on Ellis vary between 'he's doing a great job changing games from off the bench' to 'DC should have given him more game time', to 'He lacks a bit of positional awareness but is a work in progress and has potential'. I can't recall many, if any people slating him this season. Last season maybe was a different matter for a number of reasons, but I think right now, pretty much everyone is behind him. I really hope he'll push on from here as he is undoubtedly maturing and letting his football do the talking.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 5, 2015 16:10:17 GMT
Totally agree. It's a shame so many seen hellbent on bringing the lad down In fairness I don't see many, if any people on this or the other site, who are hellbent on bringing him down. I think opinions on Ellis vary between 'he's doing a great job changing games from off the bench' to 'DC should have given him more game time', to 'He lacks a bit of positional awareness but is a work in progress and has potential'. I can't recall many, if any people slating him this season. Last season maybe was a different matter for a number of reasons, but I think right now, pretty much everyone is behind him. I really hope he'll push on from here as he is undoubtedly maturing and letting his football do the talking. I mean in the pubs and going on last seasons terrace talk. I can't say anything about this season as I don't go
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Post by irishrover on Mar 5, 2015 16:58:55 GMT
Ellis is just 21 for gods sake and has a year of his contract to run therefore it is irrelevant at this time and so it should be.He is one of the few youth players to actually make the first team squad regularly and all his goals this season have been important ones. How he does between now and the end of next season when he will still only be 22 will define whether he is offered a new contract. He could still be the next Marcus Stewart but he could also be the next Ben Swallow or any of a long line of young players who did not make it. It is our job to get behind him and give him a good chance to make it noy criticise his every move and only praise his goals. Yeah - I think Ellis is a classic case of expectations (and possibly ego) being raised before he was mentally ready to deal with the day to day of being a professional footballer. People seem to expect professional footballer to arrive fully formed in their late teens with perfect attitudes and consistancy. I don't know why - this doesn't apply in any other walk of life I've come across. To be a professional footballer these days requires such a massive sacrifice in so many other arewas of your life - a lot struggle with that because just like anyone else in their late teens they've got a lot of other pressures pulling them in different directions. Harrison exploded on to the scene with Rovers in those games at Fleetwood and Rotherham 2 years ago and if nothing else I will always remember him more fondly for that than I will a whole host of other players we've had through the club in that time. Trouble is it raises expectations and people expect him to have that impact all the time but that's just unrealistic for a player that young. I'm not surprised his confidence was smashed - he went from hero to zero in very quick time and that's hard thing to deal with at that age. I think he deserves quite a lot of credit for not throwing in the towell and battling back into contention at Rovers - many other young players never recover from that moment. I coach young cricketers and I would say the point at which you know whether a player is going to make it and commit to the game or play to a high standard is not when they blast throw levels easily, it's how they respond the first time they come up against adversity. If it's been really easy for them up to that point it can come as a hell of a shock to realise that they're going to need to work hard to adapt and a lot give up at that point. I really do think that's the key stage of any young players development.
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Mar 5, 2015 17:21:11 GMT
Would anyone offer him an extension? Absolutely, IMO he is better in front of goal than either taylor or blissett. I think he deserves to start.
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Post by Bath Gas on Mar 5, 2015 19:03:51 GMT
A couple of weeks ago a supporter told him to "sit back down" when he got up from the bench to warm up. It's a shame that there are a few who won't acknowledge that his attitude is much improved this season, as it's often the negative people who make most noise.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 5, 2015 21:39:36 GMT
I wonder if other clubs have morons like that as supposed fans?
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Post by Bridgeman on Mar 6, 2015 4:37:17 GMT
I wonder if other clubs have morons like that as supposed fans? I'm sure they do, it's just that we have our own fair share of them.....
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Post by c13 on Mar 6, 2015 15:57:07 GMT
I was amongst Harrison's critics when he displayed that awful, horrible, unprofessional attitude of his towards the end of the season. This cannot be simply excused.
HOWEVER, we can't hold it against him like a gun to his head when he's a 21-year-old lad who worked under terrible managers. DC, the squad, and most of all, himself, have been working on his slow and steady rebuilding and he is now what I consider an indispensable super sub.
Will he grow even more? That's up to him, and us too.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 16, 2015 8:49:03 GMT
reading the reports of Saturday's match, it seems that after a 2-year wait for us Ellis Harrison is providing the first evidence of him being the striker he looked capable of becoming at the end of 2 seasons ago
fingers crossed its going to become a trend this time
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 16, 2015 9:09:12 GMT
To be fair to Ellis Harrison, Taylor has started nearly every game no matter what he has done in the game and the same goes for Monkhouse and Lockyer. Ellis goes into every chance he gets pretty well knowing that he HAS to perform well or he will be out of the team next game.In many ways the same pressure is on Balanta as well. They are both given a short time on the pitch to prove hwat they can do and generally where we are losing or drawing. Give them both a run of games and then judge whether they are good enough to start. It amazes me that people say you can't play a midfield of say Dawson- Monkhouse - Lines- Balanta because we will get overun but then go on to suggest that is ok to play Dawson- Clarke - Lines- Balanta or Dawson-Clarke-Lines-Monkhouse where Clarke goes missing more than any midfielder and probably completes less than 50% of his passes,the majority of the rest going straight to an opposition player. Midfield is not only down to the players you play there but the way they play ie right back with the defence or right up with the attack or more appropriately with a back four pushing up and marking players so the midfield do likewise.
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Post by badbloodash on Mar 16, 2015 11:04:33 GMT
I can imagine Ellis has knuckled down, he probably now WANTS to be part of the squad, its not too hard to consider his feeling as a bit player in the team of last season that got us relegated, this new squad is balanced well, they all play for the shirt and give their all week in and week out, in fact, as a ''whole'' team, the team at present is my most liked since the 73/74 season. I do hope we can keep hold of Dawson, give him a few more outings and that boy is going to work wonders for us, and could be pivitol to our push, he reminds me of our sadly departed Mickey, a wizard with the ball at his quick feet, if we can stay fit, we should sprint over the finishing line and go up as Champions, respect to DC, and this is the first time I have offered my praise, but he has put together a good team that have unity, fitness, commitment, courage and skill. UTG and roll on Saturday!!. If he is half the player mickey was would already promoted
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Post by Igitur on Apr 15, 2015 11:13:27 GMT
A much more positive spin on Ellis today in the local papers (not going to post a link as EP and WDP screw up the PCs with the multi pop ups/adverts etc). Although it was Stewy saying it.
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Post by brizzle on Apr 15, 2015 12:13:09 GMT
Yer 'tis . . .
It sounds to me like a case of tough love working wonders, for both the club and player.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 15, 2015 12:13:24 GMT
assistant boss Marcus Stewart believes that Ellis Harrison’s improved form this season has simply been a natural by-product of growing up. Harrison took his tally for the season to 14 after scoring the opener in Rovers’ 2-0 win over Southport at the weekend and has stated a strong case to retain his place in the side following impressive performances in his last two games. The Wales Under-21 striker had been placed on the transfer-list at the end of last season for a failure to “listen” to staff and was told in no uncertain terms that his future at the club would be determined by his ability to muster a “change” in “attitude”. Stewart said: “Ellis is a charming lad and I like him immensely as a person, but he knows that he, like everyone else, is judged on results and that is the bottom line in this business. “We have worked hard with Ellis at the training ground all season, but, for him, it was more a case of working out for himself what we wanted from him as a player. “I just think the progression he has made this season has mostly been down to the fact that he is a young lad who is learning all the time and with age comes maturity. “He has grown up a lot this season and I think you could first see the change in him when he returned for pre-season last summer. “The manager had been pretty honest in telling him what he expected from him both during games and in training and to his credit he got stuck right into the work as soon as he came back. “I think what we have seen in Ellis is an improvement in his understanding of what is required and what it is to be a striker in addition to the obvious match-winning quality and ability to score goals that he has. “Defending from the front and having the ability to look after the ball with your back to goal are just as important and I am really pleased that he is starting to realise the obvious potential he has to do all of those things. “He has match-winning ability and that will stay with him for the rest of his career, but it is the other things that he is doing when he doesn’t have the ball that are helping him retain his place in the team at the moment.” Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/Marcus-Stewart-Bristol-Rovers-striker-Ellis/story-26331430-detail/story.html#ixzz3XNa90FG0 Follow us: @bristolpost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook
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Post by tauntongas on Apr 15, 2015 19:41:47 GMT
Great words to read about Ellis and Marcus sounds like he's got his head screwed on in regards to how to talk to the press and what he (and DC too, probably) wants to see from the players.
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 16, 2015 0:41:01 GMT
Great words to read about Ellis and Marcus sounds like he's got his head screwed on in regards to how to talk to the press and what he (and DC too, probably) wants to see from the players. DC is a very clever and brave guy. He regularly lets Stewie talk to the press in order for his to develope that side of his experience, even though Stewie is a gas legend, older than him, and a more 'famous' ex-player than him. He clearly wants his asst to develop and unlike many bosses doesn't fearfully keep his asst in the dark like a mushroom. And Stewie is getting better at it as well! Best interview I've read from him.
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