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Post by nsgas on Jan 16, 2015 11:49:21 GMT
People continue to show financial loyalty to the club, almost 8,000 a fortnight ago on cold, wet biggest hangover day. They do, and thats great, though it helps that we're in a promotion battle. Giving money to watch games and handing money for free over to a business owned by multi millionaires is different though - especially when many fans did the Share Scheme only for the board to dilute the fans' shareholding. Not having a go at you, just saying it might be difficult. Crowd Funding doesn't involve handing money over for free. Different levels of "rewards" are offered depending on the amount pledged. The Wave crowd funding page is a good example. Four people have pledged £20,000 each for the biggest reward. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thewavebristol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 11:51:05 GMT
They do, and thats great, though it helps that we're in a promotion battle. Giving money to watch games and handing money for free over to a business owned by multi millionaires is different though - especially when many fans did the Share Scheme only for the board to dilute the fans' shareholding. Not having a go at you, just saying it might be difficult. Crowd Funding doesn't involve handing money over for free. Different levels of "rewards" are offered depending on the amount pledged. The Wave crowd funding page is a good example. Four people have pledged £20,000 each. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thewavebristolLike the sha... Oh no, wait. |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 16, 2015 13:18:36 GMT
They do, and thats great, though it helps that we're in a promotion battle. Giving money to watch games and handing money for free over to a business owned by multi millionaires is different though - especially when many fans did the Share Scheme only for the board to dilute the fans' shareholding. Not having a go at you, just saying it might be difficult. Crowd Funding doesn't involve handing money over for free. Different levels of "rewards" are offered depending on the amount pledged. The Wave crowd funding page is a good example. Four people have pledged £20,000 each for the biggest reward. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thewavebristoland the SC handed over £1million - and the return is?  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 14:16:53 GMT
They do, and thats great, though it helps that we're in a promotion battle. Giving money to watch games and handing money for free over to a business owned by multi millionaires is different though - especially when many fans did the Share Scheme only for the board to dilute the fans' shareholding. Not having a go at you, just saying it might be difficult. Crowd Funding doesn't involve handing money over for free. Different levels of "rewards" are offered depending on the amount pledged. The Wave crowd funding page is a good example. Four people have pledged £20,000 each for the biggest reward. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thewavebristolGood to know someone is reading the thread properly  Though the cynics out there (and they can't be blamed) don't believe that the investment would see a return of reward from the club, if there was a buy your season ticket/gym membership/corporate trough in advance scheme then I don't see how the club could hide from it if fans have paid in advance. Its a bit like purchasing a season ticket further in advance while the build takes place and if it doesn't you get your money back via Crowd Funder, the club would not be able to touch that money until the target is reached anyway, and if it was reached they would have a ready made database capturing thousands of fans details ready to dish out match tickets and set up a mail chimp account and get marketing matches and events etc. The original point really was wondering out of interest what the the golden figure would be that Higgs could accept from the fans to enable the stadium build to commence, that figure, if not reached could be individually claimed back by each investor via the Crowd Funder web portal. I'm sure NH would agree to the funds being transferred directly to the main contractor if the target was reached to allay and fears members or ex members of the share scam had. Surely has to be a better option to think about instead of wanting to be asked in a decade to contribute to a couple dozen tins of Hammerite for BE roof, so tired of being ragbag, it was romantic in the 90's when Gerry was around but its plain embarrassing now IMO having been humbled by the likes of footballing giants such as Shrewsbury, Morecambe and Burton who have left us firmly in the shade with their stadiums and facilities. |
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Post by Thatslife on Jan 16, 2015 14:38:07 GMT
Crowd Funding doesn't involve handing money over for free. Different levels of "rewards" are offered depending on the amount pledged. The Wave crowd funding page is a good example. Four people have pledged £20,000 each for the biggest reward. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thewavebristolGood to know someone is reading the thread properly Though the cynics out there (and they can't be blamed) don't believe that the investment would see a return of reward from the club, if there was a buy your season ticket/gym membership/corporate trough in advance scheme then I don't see how the club could hide from it if fans have paid in advance. Its a bit like purchasing a season ticket further in advance while the build takes place and if it doesn't you get your money back via Crowd Funder, the club would not be able to touch that money until the target is reached anyway, and if it was reached they would have a ready made database capturing thousands of fans details ready to dish out match tickets and set up a mail chimp account and get marketing matches and events etc. The original point really was wondering out of interest what the the golden figure would be that Higgs could accept from the fans to enable the stadium build to commence, that figure, if not reached could be individually claimed back by each investor via the Crowd Funder web portal. I'm sure NH would agree to the funds being transferred directly to the main contractor if the target was reached to allay and fears members or ex members of the share scam had. Surely has to be a better option to think about instead of wanting to be asked in a decade to contribute to a couple dozen tins of Hammerite for BE roof, so tired of being ragbag, it was romantic in the 90's when Gerry was around but its plain embarrassing now IMO having been humbled by the likes of footballing giants such as Shrewsbury, Morecambe and Burton who have left us firmly in the shade with their stadiums and facilities. I think you have summed up what a lot of Gas heads feel. When you see the likes of the club's you mentioned doing okay whilst we are embarrassed to be where we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 16:19:11 GMT
£2.5 million but it would be a great sum none the less, but you're also assuming 10000 which we get once in a while and they're all as prosperous as you and they're all willing to sign up so really you're looking for 100% of 100% of 100% and then you're assuming the existing shareholders will let you invest in their big deal and diminish their return. Perhaps it's something you could get the SC to adopt as I think it would sit better with that kind of social support organisation.why would the SC get involved in another (sharescam) scheme where the money gets handed over to the BOD to (waste) use as they wish? Not what I've said and I can't imagine how you've possibly made such great leaps, the SC could use the receipts as they see fit as long as it's to support the club. I wouldn't trust the present board with any investment funds because I believe they're incompetent but the SC could assist whoever takes over in the future. |
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gonzales
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Post by gonzales on Jan 16, 2015 16:48:40 GMT
Stadium aside, I think a yearly off-season crowdfunder from the gas wouldn't go amiss? Because of my work and other commitments I can only get to 5/6 games a year, It's my dream to buy a season ticket. Something like £100 for five/six games depending on terrace/seating etc would be great for someone like me and great for the clubs budgeting for the season. Who knows what other rewards might be possible, should the club/directors have the creativity and impetus to broaden their vision.
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 16, 2015 17:10:04 GMT
why would the SC get involved in another (sharescam) scheme where the money gets handed over to the BOD to (waste) use as they wish? Not what I've said and I can't imagine how you've possibly made such great leaps, the vSC could use the receipts as they see fit as long as it's to support the club. I wouldn't trust the present board with any investment funds because I believe they're incompetent but the SC could assist whoever takes over in the future. No, no and no again. The SC is not an independent organisation and will back the board to the hilt. Folk could think they're crowdfunding a stadium shortfall, then, if something happens to the UWE project, the SC has money to just hand over to the board to pay the debts off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 19:49:59 GMT
Not what I've said and I can't imagine how you've possibly made such great leaps, the vSC could use the receipts as they see fit as long as it's to support the club. I wouldn't trust the present board with any investment funds because I believe they're incompetent but the SC could assist whoever takes over in the future. No, no and no again. The SC is not an independent organisation and will back the board to the hilt. Folk could think they're crowdfunding a stadium shortfall, then, if something happens to the UWE project, the SC has money to just hand over to the board to pay the debts off. All good points, but the concept is still worthy, so we seek another solution whereby supporters personal spending habits can assist the club financially. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 20:19:50 GMT
It is a good idea but I honestly think the sticking point would be with the SC. Now if it was via the fans forum with a clear mandate that the money would only go direct to contractors then I think it does have legs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 12:43:00 GMT
It is a good idea but I honestly think the sticking point would be with the SC. Now if it was via the fans forum with a clear mandate that the money would only go direct to contractors then I think it does have legs. Don't want to come across as critical but I've always felt that the SC are stagnant and unquestionably in favour of the board irrespective of how the club is run, with the past 6 years being indicative of this. I do think that the only way that a credible sum of money can be raised is for ALL fans of the club, those who attend and those who don't and students of the UWE buy into the social aspect in large numbers. The way I see the SC is they are happy to play in a cow field as long as the team is playing in quarters (just a perception not a swipe), and if there was to be a hint that such an initiative was in some sort of competition with the SC then that would mean kissing goodbye to a sizeable percentage of the fan base buying in. And the board of directors would have to sit down and spend time away from their paid work and put time and effort into a scheme, there are people who would do it voluntarily for the love and emotional tie to the club of course but we know how that is viewed by those in box 1. |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 17, 2015 13:50:46 GMT
It is a good idea but I honestly think the sticking point would be with the SC. Now if it was via the fans forum with a clear mandate that the money would only go direct to contractors then I think it does have legs. and what happens to the money raised if UWE does not go ahead? - and who makes that decision? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 14:41:48 GMT
It is a good idea but I honestly think the sticking point would be with the SC. Now if it was via the fans forum with a clear mandate that the money would only go direct to contractors then I think it does have legs. and what happens to the money raised if UWE does not go ahead? - and who makes that decision? take a look at the crowd funder website, if the required amount is not raised then investors can claim a full refund. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 17:19:57 GMT
It is a good idea but I honestly think the sticking point would be with the SC. Now if it was via the fans forum with a clear mandate that the money would only go direct to contractors then I think it does have legs. and what happens to the money raised if UWE does not go ahead? - and who makes that decision? It would have to be a clear prospectus. It could read that if we get 1 million then the money is to be used to pay xyz for the new stadium, if this does not happen then it is either returned or used for say youth development (but only released on the authority of the committee of the group). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2015 17:32:15 GMT
The stadium build cost is £30m, raising £1m is hardly going to suddenly make the project viable? Although Exeter's bond, where they raised £7.5m, is surely something the BoD need to consider rather than expecting an oil shiek to suddenly hand over millions?
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Post by fanatical on Jan 18, 2015 13:01:59 GMT
and what happens to the money raised if UWE does not go ahead? - and who makes that decision? It would have to be a clear prospectus. It could read that if we get 1 million then the money is to be used to pay xyz for the new stadium, if this does not happen then it is either returned or used for say youth development ( but only released on the authority of the committee of the group). exactly - and who might they be? |
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Post by LPGas on Jan 18, 2015 13:28:59 GMT
People have good reason not to give the club their money. Long memories. What about paying money direct tin to the builders account? |
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Post by gas2 on Jan 18, 2015 15:44:53 GMT
after yesterdays lock out at woking surely there is someone out there that can see the potential of the club and invest big time in the club ?
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Post by fanatical on Jan 19, 2015 13:29:56 GMT
after yesterdays lock out at woking surely there is someone out there that can see the potential of the club and invest big time in the club ? he is called NIck |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:46:43 GMT
after yesterdays lock out at woking surely there is someone out there that can see the potential of the club and invest big time in the club ? Yes there is plenty of potential but you have to have the right people at the top driving it forward, Nick Higgs made a decision some time ago that this is his club and he wants no input from fans to help on a voluntary basis. Another party for those charmers the other side of the river as the revel in the demise of the stadium happening and gloat on the Bristol Post column pages, you got to give it to the chairman for outright stubborn attitude, he is now financially reaping what he has sewn. |
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Though the cynics out there (and they can't be blamed) don't believe that the investment would see a return of reward from the club, if there was a buy your season ticket/gym membership/corporate trough in advance scheme then I don't see how the club could hide from it if fans have paid in advance.
