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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2015 20:42:43 GMT
Thank goodness for that. Just when you think you've run out of ex-players to have an embittered rant about Alefe steps up to the mark and takes one for the (ex) team. I'm going to write to Ray Cashley see if he'll tweet "quarters are for qunts" something like that. Give us something to chew over for a while. Well Santos has stirred this up himself, unlike Coles who's simply signed a new contract at FGR, he must be a fool if he didn't think Rovers fans who still follow him wouldn't react to his comments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 20:49:47 GMT
Is it really worth a reaction though?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2015 21:08:43 GMT
No, but why post something in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 21:17:01 GMT
It's a strange world where people can use forums to express their opinions about footballers and their clubs but when their "victims" do the same, people get all tender and over sensitive.
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Post by michaelb on Jan 12, 2015 21:17:49 GMT
would suspect Harrison is not rated by DC or MS as Blissett and now Easter have arrived. I think its more likely they don't rate Goldberg
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Post by Bath Gas on Jan 12, 2015 21:21:53 GMT
Surely he's just saying that he thinks that Ellis is probably as good a player as some of the newer boys? I guess that they're mates, so what's wrong with him bigging EH up a bit?
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jan 12, 2015 21:41:20 GMT
Surely he's just saying that he thinks that Ellis is probably as good a player as some of the newer boys? I guess that they're mates, so what's wrong with him bigging EH up a bit? Spot on - good for Alefe sticking up for his mate
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Post by irishrover on Jan 13, 2015 1:53:26 GMT
Young player says something not particularly controversial but a bit dumb for reasons that seem basically goodhearted; realises error and corrects. Doesn't strike me as a very big deal in any way. The internet really is a hyper-sensitive place where people are hauled over the coals for the smallest thing and there is apparently no margin allowed for error.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 13, 2015 7:07:09 GMT
I know this is the digital age etc, but am I the only one who think that following ex, or current players on Faceache or Twatter is a bit sad?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2015 21:18:34 GMT
Not sure it's any sadder than following anybody on FB or Twitter?
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 14, 2015 0:40:43 GMT
Not a fan of following players at this club or any other on twitter.
Mainly because I don't want to read their complaints about how "long & boring this coach journey is" when I've just woken up between 12hr nights on a weekend!
Following the official Gas account will do for me!
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Post by gashead1979 on Jan 15, 2015 8:44:43 GMT
Sad how footballers seem unable to string a clear sentence together these days...
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 15, 2015 8:59:21 GMT
Sad how footballers seem unable to string a clear sentence together these days... Yah, not like all them elokwant footballers of the old days, swung me foot and it 'it the net, over the moon Brian ain't it, yer Bobby Moores and yer Billy Bremners
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Post by irishrover on Jan 15, 2015 12:59:23 GMT
Sad how footballers seem unable to string a clear sentence together these days... Yah, not like all them elokwant footballers of the old days, swung me foot and it 'it the net, over the moon Brian ain't it, yer Bobby Moores and yer Billy Bremners Yep - Kenny Dalglish is going to deliver the Royal Society lecture next year.... It is interesting - I follow US sport and as a general rule if they have a microphone stuck in front of them they won't shut up and are extremely clear and confident in speaking and expressing themselves and that seems to apply across social backgrounds etc. In our sports, apart from the posh ones, it's hard to find people who don't look uncomfortably at their shoe and talk in meaningless cliche's. Hence Robbie Savage and Graeme Swann can carve out careers as sporting media personalities largely because they're 2 of the few who look comfortable in front of a camera and can string 2 words together. It's something about our sports; they don't seem to produce extroverted personalities. People seem more comfortable in the team environment.
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Post by brizzle on Jan 15, 2015 14:52:25 GMT
Sad how footballers seem unable to string a clear sentence together these days... Yah, not like all them elokwant footballers of the old days, swung me foot and it 'it the net, over the moon Brian ain't it, yer Bobby Moores and yer Billy Bremners But wasn't Bobby Moore an extremely eloquent and engaging person when interviewed? He was always thoughtful and extremely modest in my opinion, but then again and as you say, he did come from a different generation. Even Billy Bremner was a knowledgeable kind of person when in front of the microphone, and always polite. His big drawback was his accent. I'm trying to remember a ''top'' player from that era who wasn't relatively eloquent. In my opinion the rot set in sometime in the mid to late 1970s, when a natural modesty of ones achievements was replaced by an egotistical and self important approach to the interview.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 15, 2015 15:56:43 GMT
Not that fussed about this storm in a tea cup.
I'm too busy trying to make head or tail of the illiterate / cryptic waffling that many players do on twatter / faceache.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2015 16:04:19 GMT
I suppose nothing changed since I was at school with Penrice & Curle, brains in one corner of the classroom footballer in t'other corner. Interviewing wise JJOT's get to be the all time best at being the worse?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 16, 2015 11:22:59 GMT
..........apart from the posh ones, it's hard to find people who don't look uncomfortably at their shoe and talk in meaningless cliche's. Hence Robbie Savage and Graeme Swann can carve out careers as sporting media personalities largely because they're 2 of the few who look comfortable in front of a camera and can string 2 words together.............. I wish Robbie Savage strung fewer words together.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 16, 2015 11:56:13 GMT
Yah, not like all them elokwant footballers of the old days, swung me foot and it 'it the net, over the moon Brian ain't it, yer Bobby Moores and yer Billy Bremners But wasn't Bobby Moore an extremely eloquent and engaging person when interviewed? He was always thoughtful and extremely modest in my opinion, but then again and as you say, he did come from a different generation. Even Billy Bremner was a knowledgeable kind of person when in front of the microphone, and always polite. His big drawback was his accent. I'm trying to remember a ''top'' player from that era who wasn't relatively eloquent. In my opinion the rot set in sometime in the mid to late 1970s, when a natural modesty of ones achievements was replaced by an egotistical and self important approach to the interview. I'm not sure that's quite fair - if anything I would say that modern football is kind of the opposite when it comes to the interview. With the exception of the occasional manager losing it you can pretty much predict exactly what players are going to say now. They're so media managed to death that they don't say anything 'off message'. I swear a guy could score 4 wonder goals in a game and the response would still be along the lines of 'I'm just glad I could contribute to the team winning' etc. The rules seem to be 'never saying controversial', 'always talk about how the team is more important than you', 'be polite but try and say as little as possible'. As a result most interviews are about as exciting as watching paint dry. What's the point of having an interview if you don't get some kind of insight into the players personality or real opinions? I'm fairly sure there was a snobbery element to the Bobby Moore situation - I remember reading that the FA sent him to elocution lessons when he became England captain because they thought the captain of the England team should speak with an RP accent. Similar with Alf Ramsey (though he choose to do it himself) who despite being from Dagenham taught himself to speak like the Queen so that a working class accent wouldn't hold him back. Danny Blanchflower was the same. I've definitely read that Arsenal used to put Bob Wilson up to be interviewed despite it being relatively unusual for goalies to be interviewed because he 'spoke properly'. It was certainly true that the BBC discouraged regional and Working Class accents for a long time and if you listen to interviews with players from the 50s you can often hear them desperately trying to put on a 'proper voice'. The real point is that we live in such a media managed brand obsessed age. Every club employs someone to manage their PR and players have media training where the basic aim is to get them to the point where they say nothing of any interest at all to the point where it comes as a shock when someone like Jimmy Bullard comes along actually says things in interviews. The sad part about it is that it seems to infect them after the game too. I know a few people who work at BBC Sport and they say that the football pundits are 10 times more interesting and insightful off camera than they are on it but they're terrified of going off message and losing their jobs so they stick to the cliche's. You can see why when you look at this example of every utterance being analysed to the max for sign of some kind of offense. I think about it in cricket and 30 years ago you'd have had Botham, Boycott, Gower, Willis, Brearley, Emburey etc. All larger than life characters in their own ways with strong opinions and people felt they knew them. I mean, for all that people are so quick to morally judge 'modern players' (Wayne Rooney still gets hauled over the coals for something he did when he was 16 for crying outloud) and for all the endless media reporting of their private lives I actually think we know less about them as people (what they think, what makes them tick etc) than we ever have. Now all you get is a stream of dull cliche's that come straight from a middle management play book. I don't think that sportsmen have become less eloquent or less opinionated over that time I just think they have far less freedom to say what they actually think and that stifles personality in the long run. They are told to be boring - and if it doesn't come from the heart it's probably not going to come across very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 12:14:55 GMT
Yeah, kids today. Exams are all easier as well, bring back national service.
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