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Post by irishrover on Nov 7, 2014 12:40:44 GMT
Akinde was not League 1 quality and he was playing in a Rovers side that was completely lacking confidence - context matters, players don't play as individuals in a vacuum. He wasn't good enough at that level and he was in a team that wasn't good enough at that level - not surprising he looked poor with us, However, he's a big guy who is awkward to handle and in the right situation with the right team around him there was always a chance he could be effective. I imagine Barnet play to his strengths.
I think Brunt is a bit of tragedy really - I wondered at the time why Stoke had let him have him so easily when he looked way too good for League 2. Maybe they knew about his underlying injury issues and didn't think he would last. It's looking like Ross Weare situation - you have to feel sorry for players in that position. I could be wrong but I suspect Brunt is doing everything he can to kickstart his career but his body may have been through so much it's just not letting him do it anymore. That is a sad situation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 12:51:31 GMT
i honestly think hes been a constant menace to opposing defences,hes quick has a good 1st touch and works his socks off but if you dont agree thats fine l like him as a player but im aware he hasnt got the goals he should have got I don't even think it's just the goals. I can't see what he adds. People used to say that about Beardsley "Ooh he pulls the defence all over the place" but ... that's just because he's running around wearing a blue shirt - that's the nature of his position that's not something particular to that player. lets agree to differ,everyone sees a different game,beardsley was slow and defenders were happy marking him i dont think thats true of taylor
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 12:57:48 GMT
ryan brunt career record app 77--- goals 9 ,even if he does well he will only be effective alongside a goalscorer,in short the best we can hope for is he can match the job cunningtons done for the team
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 7, 2014 13:33:07 GMT
I don't even think it's just the goals. I can't see what he adds. People used to say that about Beardsley "Ooh he pulls the defence all over the place" but ... that's just because he's running around wearing a blue shirt - that's the nature of his position that's not something particular to that player. lets agree to differ,everyone sees a different game,beardsley was slow and defenders were happy marking him i dont think thats true of taylor One outfield goal all season suggests there's something a miss even Clarke's got 3 gaols!! The shot that nearly hit the corner flag when clean though against FGR sums up his performances for Rovers, unless you are a big CF making chances what's the point of a striker who's simply incapable of scoring? Although a break from 1st team action may take the pressure off him and he could come back a different player.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 7, 2014 13:41:26 GMT
Akinde was not League 1 quality and he was playing in a Rovers side that was completely lacking confidence - context matters, players don't play as individuals in a vacuum. He wasn't good enough at that level and he was in a team that wasn't good enough at that level - not surprising he looked poor with us, However, he's a big guy who is awkward to handle and in the right situation with the right team around him there was always a chance he could be effective. I imagine Barnet play to his strengths. I think Brunt is a bit of tragedy really - I wondered at the time why Stoke had let him have him so easily when he looked way too good for League 2. Maybe they knew about his underlying injury issues and didn't think he would last. It's looking like Ross Weare situation - you have to feel sorry for players in that position. I could be wrong but I suspect Brunt is doing everything he can to kickstart his career but his body may have been through so much it's just not letting him do it anymore. That is a sad situation.I think that you have summed up Ryan's situation quite well there irish, and you're quite right in saying that it's a sad situation . . . both for him and the club. But when you say that Stoke City allowed him to leave them for us ''easily,'' then I probably would not agree with you, because that would be to admit that Tony Pulis sold us a pig in a poke, and I don't believe that he would have done such a thing to BRFC.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 7, 2014 15:00:56 GMT
Akinde was not League 1 quality and he was playing in a Rovers side that was completely lacking confidence - context matters, players don't play as individuals in a vacuum. He wasn't good enough at that level and he was in a team that wasn't good enough at that level - not surprising he looked poor with us, However, he's a big guy who is awkward to handle and in the right situation with the right team around him there was always a chance he could be effective. I imagine Barnet play to his strengths. I think Brunt is a bit of tragedy really - I wondered at the time why Stoke had let him have him so easily when he looked way too good for League 2. Maybe they knew about his underlying injury issues and didn't think he would last. It's looking like Ross Weare situation - you have to feel sorry for players in that position. I could be wrong but I suspect Brunt is doing everything he can to kickstart his career but his body may have been through so much it's just not letting him do it anymore. That is a sad situation.I think that you have summed up Ryan's situation quite well there irish, and you're quite right in saying that it's a sad situation . . . both for him and the club. But when you say that Stoke City allowed him to leave them for us ''easily,'' then I probably would not agree with you, because that would be to admit that Tony Pulis sold us a pig in a poke, and I don't believe that he would have done such a thing to BRFC. No I wasn't suggesting that Stoke stitched us up or anything like that. Just that they let him go because they suspected his fitness would limit where he could get to; he'd had 2 quite serious injuries before he went to us. I think Stoke were trying to do the best by Brunt too - it just didn't work out. Although I think he did play a big role in keeping us up 2 years ago.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 7, 2014 16:04:16 GMT
I think that you have summed up Ryan's situation quite well there irish, and you're quite right in saying that it's a sad situation . . . both for him and the club. But when you say that Stoke City allowed him to leave them for us ''easily,'' then I probably would not agree with you, because that would be to admit that Tony Pulis sold us a pig in a poke, and I don't believe that he would have done such a thing to BRFC. No I wasn't suggesting that Stoke stitched us up or anything like that. Just that they let him go because they suspected his fitness would limit where he could get to; he'd had 2 quite serious injuries before he went to us. I think Stoke were trying to do the best by Brunt too - it just didn't work out. Although I think he did play a big role in keeping us up 2 years ago. I'm desperately trying to remember exactly what it was that was said, when Tony Pulis released Ryan Brunt from Stoke City. As I remember it the season had not yet ended, but Pulis let Brunt know well before the end of the season that he would be released at the season's end. He said publicly that he wanted all the young players that were not going to be retained to have every opportunity of fixing themselves up with other clubs. It was at this point that Pulis said something like he was not in the business of just discarding young players onto the football scrapheap. Tony Pulis always strikes me as not only a good football manager, but also as a good man. Although it is many years since he left us he is still a credit to the club where he learned his trade, and I believe that he still holds BRFC in high esteem as well. It was such a shame that he (and Lindsay Parsons as well) got dragged south of the river, it quite spoiled things . . . but only temporarily. But then again we all makes mistakes, eh?
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Post by irishrover on Nov 7, 2014 16:36:19 GMT
No I wasn't suggesting that Stoke stitched us up or anything like that. Just that they let him go because they suspected his fitness would limit where he could get to; he'd had 2 quite serious injuries before he went to us. I think Stoke were trying to do the best by Brunt too - it just didn't work out. Although I think he did play a big role in keeping us up 2 years ago. I'm desperately trying to remember exactly what it was that was said, when Tony Pulis released Ryan Brunt from Stoke City. As I remember it the season had not yet ended, but Pulis let Brunt know well before the end of the season that he would be released at the season's end. He said publicly that he wanted all the young players that were not going to be retained to have every opportunity of fixing themselves up with other clubs. It was at this point that Pulis said something like he was not in the business of just discarding young players onto the football scrapheap. Tony Pulis always strikes me as not only a good football manager, but also as a good man. Although it is many years since he left us he is still a credit to the club where he learned his trade, and I believe that he still holds BRFC in high esteem as well. It was such a shame that he (and Lindsay Parsons as well) got dragged south of the river, it quite spoiled things . . . but only temporarily. But then again we all makes mistakes, eh? I agree I have a lot of time for Tony Pulis - I think it was a deal done for the benefit of Brunt as a way to kick start his career and for us to help Rovers stay up. I think Pulis and Rovers have done everything they can for Brunt and he has done everything he can to continue his career but right now it's not looking very good which is a pity for all concerned really. Personally, I hope he comes back refinds his edge and is the striker we've been missing but recent evidence suggests probably not unfortunately. Also, personally I thought Tony Pulis did a bloody brilliant job at City; I hope he does too.....Interesting to see where he lands next - you'd have thought a Premiership club in trouble would happily give him a massive payday to try and repeat what he did at Palace last year. This generation's Dave Bassett perhaps though I think he's a lot better than that and part of the reason he left Palace is that he knows it.
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