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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2014 15:28:40 GMT
Personally, I believe in freedom of speech.
I don't say that everything is palatable and even in the right place or thread, but the principles of a forum is freedom to express opinion, right or wrong, better or worse, informed or ill informed.
Stifle that, and you're on the road to ruin.
Having said that, the o p has the right to request their opinion to be heard, and I understand why. For me, the biggest censorship is the off button. Don't contribute, don't read it, don't perpetrate it. Thread dies... Simples!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 15:29:42 GMT
Stop repeating the claims of a rapist and his rapist supporting family on his pro-rapist website. It's not an impartial source, it's a website trying to justify a rape. Thanks then.
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 26, 2014 16:22:51 GMT
Personally, I believe in freedom of speech. I don't say that everything is palatable and even in the right place or thread, but the principles of a forum is freedom to express opinion, right or wrong, better or worse, informed or ill informed. Stifle that, and you're on the road to ruin. Having said that, the o p has the right to request their opinion to be heard, and I understand why. For me, the biggest censorship is the off button. Don't contribute, don't read it, don't perpetrate it. Thread dies... Simples! k Imo this forum was set up by fans concerned about how the club was being run and was a shining light of integrity during some very low days for the club. It wasnt set up to promote far right propoghanda or excuse rape. I support freedom of speech but discuss that stuff in relevant places. It makes what was an excellent forum look ridiculous. Im sorry to go on but ive been on here since it started in 2006ish i hate what its become
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 26, 2014 16:31:53 GMT
Personally, I believe in freedom of speech. I don't say that everything is palatable and even in the right place or thread, but the principles of a forum is freedom to express opinion, right or wrong, better or worse, informed or ill informed. Stifle that, and you're on the road to ruin. Having said that, the o p has the right to request their opinion to be heard, and I understand why. For me, the biggest censorship is the off button. Don't contribute, don't read it, don't perpetrate it. Thread dies... Simples! k Imo this forum was set up by fans concerned about how the club was being run and was a shining light of integrity during some very low days for the club. It wasnt set up to promote far right propoghanda or excuse rape. I support freedom of speech but discuss that stuff in relevant places. It makes what was an excellent forum look ridiculous. Im sorry to go on but ive been on here since it started in 2006ish i hate what its become I understand. Maybe moderators need to move the thread, if this is possible (?) haven't read or contributed to threads so will not and not inclined to comment. I'm sorry this has become ridiculous for you....i am relatively new but not in real time age (!) I just advocate free speech, for all its values. Lets be honest though....hardly anything is the same since 2006, eh??
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 26, 2014 17:09:39 GMT
We are still heading in the same direction :-) we were worried the way the club was going we would be in non league and in shed loads of debt :-)
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 26, 2014 17:36:16 GMT
Personally, I believe in freedom of speech. I don't say that everything is palatable and even in the right place or thread, but the principles of a forum is freedom to express opinion, right or wrong, better or worse, informed or ill informed. Stifle that, and you're on the road to ruin. Having said that, the o p has the right to request their opinion to be heard, and I understand why. For me, the biggest censorship is the off button. Don't contribute, don't read it, don't perpetrate it. Thread dies... Simples! k Imo this forum was set up by fans concerned about how the club was being run and was a shining light of integrity during some very low days for the club. It wasnt set up to promote far right propoghanda or excuse rape. I support freedom of speech but discuss that stuff in relevant places. It makes what was an excellent forum look ridiculous. Im sorry to go on but ive been on here since it started in 2006ish i hate what its become 'I support freedom of speech' but I'm telling people what can & can't be discussed on this forum. Only one word for that hypocrite. The thread has been moved to it's proper place. If you still don't like it Dinsdale I can only suggest that you disappear and start you're own forum where you can decide what free speech is allowed. Or you could even volunteer to be a moderator on here, I'm sure they would like more help, & then have an input into what the moderators are prepared to accept on here. Just a few thoughts like
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Post by brizzle on Oct 26, 2014 17:55:46 GMT
k Imo this forum was set up by fans concerned about how the club was being run and was a shining light of integrity during some very low days for the club. It wasnt set up to promote far right propoghanda or excuse rape. I support freedom of speech but discuss that stuff in relevant places. It makes what was an excellent forum look ridiculous. Im sorry to go on but ive been on here since it started in 2006ish i hate what its become I understand. Maybe moderators need to move the thread, if this is possible (?) haven't read or contributed to threads so will not and not inclined to comment. I'm sorry this has become ridiculous for you....i am relatively new but not in real time age (!) I just advocate free speech, for all its values. Lets be honest though....hardly anything is the same since 2006, eh?? It seems to me that the wheel has now turned full circle. We started off from a position where some posters were complaining that current affairs were being posted on the Gas Guzzler (Rovers-orientated football) section, and objected to this, so a new section called the Current Affairs section was created to keep the subjects of Rovers-related football chit-chat separate from the current affairs of the day. All quite sensible so far. In time the Current Affairs section was closed down by the moderators, after complaints from some posters who complained at the type of some subjects and the rhetoric that were being used on the section, and the risk of possible legal action being taken against the moderators. Skip forward in time, and the the subjects and the rhetoric that are not football orientated began once again to appear in the Gas Guzzler section, which is where we are at present it would seem to me. Where next I wonder?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 26, 2014 18:15:49 GMT
My personal view of moderation.... As moderators we are desperately trying to walk the tightrope of allowing free speech yet having to listen to complaints from people when they feel their interpretation of the line has been crossed. We try not to censor anything if at all possible ~ you are nearly all adults and should be able to post without threats, abuse, breaking the law or posting articles that deeply offend. However this view is an ideal and people are constantly trying to push the boundaries often deliberately to provoke. There are some who I personally feel want to close the forum down just so they can justify their own self righteousness.
If we act we are accused of censorship, if we don't act we are accused of allowing bigotry, racism, etc etc. No one ever seems satisfied and some just want to have a go wherever they can. Some attacks on the mods have been quite personal. We do not set out to censor nor allow bigoted comments but there are times we have to draw the line.
We all want freedom of speech but posters should be grown up enough to know and understand the implications of what they are posting. Posters should take personal responsibility and be forthright yet respectful of each other having differing opinions. Name calling is for the playground and there are other sites for the more bigoted views. Please allow us to keep this forum going by thinking before you post and please don't post simply to provoke others.
End of sermon.... Regards to one and all
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 26, 2014 18:50:39 GMT
k Imo this forum was set up by fans concerned about how the club was being run and was a shining light of integrity during some very low days for the club. It wasnt set up to promote far right propoghanda or excuse rape. I support freedom of speech but discuss that stuff in relevant places. It makes what was an excellent forum look ridiculous. Im sorry to go on but ive been on here since it started in 2006ish i hate what its become 'I support freedom of speech' but I'm telling people what can & can't be discussed on this forum. Only one word for that hypocrite. The thread has been moved to it's proper place. If you still don't like it Dinsdale I can only suggest that you disappear and start you're own forum where you can decide what free speech is allowed. Or you could even volunteer to be a moderator on here, I'm sure they would like more help, & then have an input into what the moderators are prepared to accept on here. Just a few thoughts like Im not saying you cant im asking you not to. I dont want a forum i have spent many years enjoying to represent racist views and support rapists. Ultimately if thats what people want fair doos you are right i can choose not to bother and like most of the long standing users i will go elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 19:05:09 GMT
I moved the post as asked by forum members. I fully agree with Chesiregas, I have now set this post to fall.
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 26, 2014 20:18:07 GMT
I have been thinking of a reply all day but it has been difficult. Cheshire says it better than i could
Over recent weeks the number of reported post have increased and they are not all clear cut to deal with. After all it is the differing opinions of differing people.
Over the years, the incarnations of this forum have generally moderated themselves. Sometimes things went to far, but apologies generally happened after or comments taken on board.
I would hope most can moderate each other. Personally i am not a stickler for this is the Rovers section like other forums, i see it as the main section of the board.
We can all argue and it would be rubbish if we didnt, but please take a moment before posting. The moderating team dont want to be heavy handed, but if the complaints keep coming maybe we will have to be
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 26, 2014 21:56:50 GMT
The other mods are spot on.
This forum was originally set up, in part, due to the OTT censorship of the Official Forum. I'm sure the last thing most of us want is a return to those heavy handed days.
But as Ches said, there are some on here whose sole aim is to push the boundaries and the mods have to tread the fine line between free speech and censorship. These people need to seriously consider if they wish to continue using this forum as that approach is at best unhelpful and at worst threatens the existence of this forum.
We are still proud of the fact we have never permanently banned a single poster (obvious spam merchants excepted) but the recent upsurge in boundary pushing is putting that record at serious risk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:58:34 GMT
on the racism thread more than 1 poster simply used the thread to promote there racist views,, a goalkeeper being racially abused shouldnt turn into an attack on islam as it did though i noticed once that started most people simply avoided posting altogether.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 27, 2014 18:05:52 GMT
on the racism thread more than 1 poster simply used the thread to promote there racist views,, a goalkeeper being racially abused shouldnt turn into an attack on islam as it did though i noticed once that started most people simply avoided posting altogether. Was a goalkeeper racially abused? Or does a crime no longer need to be proven in England? And if it isn't proved will said goalkeeper apologise for sullying our reputation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 18:27:53 GMT
on the racism thread more than 1 poster simply used the thread to promote there racist views,, a goalkeeper being racially abused shouldnt turn into an attack on islam as it did though i noticed once that started most people simply avoided posting altogether. Was a goalkeeper racially abused? Or does a crime no longer need to be proven in England? And if it isn't proved will said goalkeeper apologise for sullying our reputation? well the club made a total mess up by allowing him to simply be escorted out of ground,if the steward had handed him over to the police a proper investigation could have taken place. the thing is what your saying is a valid argument and some said that on the original thread which is fine in a debate about a difficult subject,,but as i said some simply used the thread to spout anti islam stuff unrelated to the goalkeeper incident.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 28, 2014 14:55:03 GMT
Was a goalkeeper racially abused? Or does a crime no longer need to be proven in England? And if it isn't proved will said goalkeeper apologise for sullying our reputation? well the club made a total mess up by allowing him to simply be escorted out of ground,if the steward had handed him over to the police a proper investigation could have taken place.the thing is what your saying is a valid argument and some said that on the original thread which is fine in a debate about a difficult subject,,but as i said some simply used the thread to spout anti islam stuff unrelated to the goalkeeper incident. But what was the outcome of all of the hoo-ha, 1973? I'm asking a serious question here with no ulterior motive, and one who has the good name and reputation of BRFC at heart. Immediately following the game the allegation was made by the Dartford goalie, fair enough. Just by reading the local media I was able to gather that the incident was mentioned in the referees report to the FA, extensive coverage was given to the matter by the national and local media, I believe that I'm correct in saying that Avon & Somerset Police indicated that they would investigate, the goalie took to the airwaves, and BRFC offered a full apology to him which was reinforced by the ''red card'' stunt at the next home game. I think that I've covered everything, but things moved so fast that I may have missed one or two, but the point is that the club offered a full apology and received poor press for a while. And for what, eh? Have any of the bodies that were contacted, namely the FA and A&S Police ever reported back on their findings and sanctions? Now I'm aware that because of the nature of the allegation, people get defensive. But if we were to de-sensitise the issue by saying (for example) that the complaint was something much more run-of the-mill, then could we then have a discussion? And what did happen to the steward by the way? Does anyone know, because he should be easy to identify. But for now all that can be said is that an allegation was made, and the club received what appeared to be unjustified and bad publicity, and that appears to be that. That doesn't seem very satisfactory to me, irrespective of the nature of the complaint.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 23:59:57 GMT
well the club made a total mess up by allowing him to simply be escorted out of ground,if the steward had handed him over to the police a proper investigation could have taken place.the thing is what your saying is a valid argument and some said that on the original thread which is fine in a debate about a difficult subject,,but as i said some simply used the thread to spout anti islam stuff unrelated to the goalkeeper incident. But what was the outcome of all of the hoo-ha, 1973? I'm asking a serious question here with no ulterior motive, and one who has the good name and reputation of BRFC at heart. Immediately following the game the allegation was made by the Dartford goalie, fair enough. Just by reading the local media I was able to gather that the incident was mentioned in the referees report to the FA, extensive coverage was given to the matter by the national and local media, I believe that I'm correct in saying that Avon & Somerset Police indicated that they would investigate, the goalie took to the airwaves, and BRFC offered a full apology to him which was reinforced by the ''red card'' stunt at the next home game. I think that I've covered everything, but things moved so fast that I may have missed one or two, but the point is that the club offered a full apology and received poor press for a while. And for what, eh? Have any of the bodies that were contacted, namely the FA and A&S Police ever reported back on their findings and sanctions? Now I'm aware that because of the nature of the allegation, people get defensive. But if we were to de-sensitise the issue by saying (for example) that the complaint was something much more run-of the-mill, then could we then have a discussion? And what did happen to the steward by the way? Does anyone know, because he should be easy to identify. But for now all that can be said is that an allegation was made, and the club received what appeared to be unjustified and bad publicity, and that appears to be that. That doesn't seem very satisfactory to me, irrespective of the nature of the complaint. the dartford keeper made the complaint initially during the game,,,,,,,i just think the club took the decision to be pro-active with the apology and the red card thing,pointing out that one idiot dosnt make us a racist club,,,,they couldnt very well say to the keeper "sorry you might be telling the truth but we let the guy go ! " i think the club took the best route available to them in the circumstances
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Post by brizzle on Oct 29, 2014 12:44:01 GMT
But what was the outcome of all of the hoo-ha, 1973? I'm asking a serious question here with no ulterior motive, and one who has the good name and reputation of BRFC at heart. Immediately following the game the allegation was made by the Dartford goalie, fair enough. Just by reading the local media I was able to gather that the incident was mentioned in the referees report to the FA, extensive coverage was given to the matter by the national and local media, I believe that I'm correct in saying that Avon & Somerset Police indicated that they would investigate, the goalie took to the airwaves, and BRFC offered a full apology to him which was reinforced by the ''red card'' stunt at the next home game. I think that I've covered everything, but things moved so fast that I may have missed one or two, but the point is that the club offered a full apology and received poor press for a while. And for what, eh? Have any of the bodies that were contacted, namely the FA and A&S Police ever reported back on their findings and sanctions? Now I'm aware that because of the nature of the allegation, people get defensive. But if we were to de-sensitise the issue by saying (for example) that the complaint was something much more run-of the-mill, then could we then have a discussion? And what did happen to the steward by the way? Does anyone know, because he should be easy to identify. But for now all that can be said is that an allegation was made, and the club received what appeared to be unjustified and bad publicity, and that appears to be that. That doesn't seem very satisfactory to me, irrespective of the nature of the complaint. the dartford keeper made the complaint initially during the game,,,,,,,i just think the club took the decision to be pro-active with the apology and the red card thing,pointing out that one idiot dosnt make us a racist club,,,,they couldnt very well say to the keeper "sorry you might be telling the truth but we let the guy go ! " i think the club took the best route available to them in the circumstances I think that BRFC was put in a very difficult position in attempting to deal ''on the hoof'' with the complaint, and what is done is done. But the question remains, is the Club still under investigation by the FA and Avon &Somerset Police? Does anyone know? I'm well aware of how long it took the FA to come to a decision regarding the WWFC complaint, so I suppose that I shouldn't be too optimistic that they will be any quicker in this matter, assuming that they intend to pursue it of course.
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