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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 30, 2014 13:28:26 GMT
UWE have already stated they have better things to spend their money on.
fwiw, I think we're very fortunate they don't think they have better things to put on the site.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 30, 2014 13:31:20 GMT
"Recent traffic survey undertaken on Filton Ave by NDC to measure road noise during night time hours has indicated that no "discernible" above average noise was indicated. The traffic flow included twelve (12) heavy goods lorries and numerous small to medium size vans...." This information was passed to me by a close friend who has passed good info before and i'm only repeating what he said. Don't shoot the messenger ! Well this is good and let's hope it leads to a positive result on 5th November; I think we deserve to see this out from here. However, surely all that would do is put us back in the running so to speak. It hardly solves the problem. I think it's pretty clear Sainsbury's have no desire to fulfil the original plan so all I can really see tha's remotely positive here is a long drawn out legal battle that may win and even that won't necessarily lead to the UWE if circumstances change. I'm glad some people are still optimistic but I'm struggling to see where that optimism is coming from. I see our negotiating position as being very week unless we really do have a watertight contract - which is possible but you have to think Sainbury's Army of lawyers would throw everything at it and precedent from elsewhere does not seem to be on our side. My main worry is that while we desperately need this development neither Sainsbury's nor UWE do; that is hardly a strong position to be in for any legal dispute or negotiation period. What precedent do you mean, Irish?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 13:32:54 GMT
I think and i hope i'm wrong, but its all about compensation now and strong a case we can put to the courts to prove our case. I still think the UWE will be built, just not completely owned by BRFC Alright Henbury , out of interest mate if this goes our way and compo comes our way then more than likely there will be a gap in the UWE funding but for the UWE to happen then a third party investor will have to be found, do you think we will get the necessary investment to enable the build and if so who? Perhaps the UWE themselves? The opportunity to build a state of the art stadium complex with full planning permission & a infrastructure to envy any stadium in the country, will be to attractive to investors, no problem. I just hope BRFC can have a major piece of the pie to benefit the club more than the current facilities.
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Post by ellington on Oct 30, 2014 13:38:59 GMT
UWE have already stated they have better things to spend their money on. fwiw, I think we're very fortunate they don't think they have better things to put on the site. Have they actually stated this have they? Perhaps there is a link somewhere .
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Post by LJG on Oct 30, 2014 13:42:48 GMT
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Post by ellington on Oct 30, 2014 13:43:14 GMT
Alright Henbury , out of interest mate if this goes our way and compo comes our way then more than likely there will be a gap in the UWE funding but for the UWE to happen then a third party investor will have to be found, do you think we will get the necessary investment to enable the build and if so who? Perhaps the UWE themselves? The opportunity to build a state of the art stadium complex with full planning permission & a infrastructure to envy any stadium in the country, will be to attractive to investors, no problem. I just hope BRFC can have a major piece of the pie to benefit the club more than the current facilities. I'd like to think you're right Henbury , so I suppose it comes down to how much compensation we get as to how we then proceed as a football club , then hopefully the funding gap will be bridged by someone with the clubs best interests at heart, but I'd imagine that will present its own problems with ownership , shares etc
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 30, 2014 13:46:54 GMT
UWE have already stated they have better things to spend their money on. fwiw, I think we're very fortunate they don't think they have better things to put on the site. Have they actually stated this have they? Perhaps there is a link somewhere . Yeah, earlier this year, when Sainsbury's cold feet emerged, there was some speculation that UWE might fund the project. And some UWE spokesman specifically told the BEP a bunch of stuff that they would rather do if they had that sort of money. Can't find a link though. EDIT: Scooped
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Post by ellington on Oct 30, 2014 13:55:51 GMT
Have they actually stated this have they? Perhaps there is a link somewhere . Yeah, earlier this year, when Sainsbury's cold feet emerged, there was some speculation that UWE might fund the project. And some UWE spokesman specifically told the BEP a bunch of stuff that they would rather do if they had that sort of money. Can't find a link though. EDIT: Scooped To be honest I can vaguely remember something regarding that but I suppose that might change , at the end of the day the whole project will also be a feather in the cap and of massive benefit to the UWE . Could be that the spokesperson was their own opinion and not necessarily that of the the UWE itself, I'd imagine that for them to dismiss that scenario would possibly take weeks of dialogue and not just a throw away comment from 1 person
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Post by rennesgas on Oct 30, 2014 14:19:50 GMT
Another day passes without a brick being laid. Even if Sainsburys have to cough up they can drag it out for as long as they like and every day that goes by Rovers play at a run down stadium with terrible spectator facilities and no focus whatsoever on the paying customer especially away fans.
Going to Telford on Saturday and looking forward to the away supporters facilities .
Common sense would say that there must be a plan B or C should Sainsburys drag on for what could be years. Supermarkets have one of the worste records in this country when it comes to paying supplyers within a timescale their main focus is profit and the shareholders.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 30, 2014 14:29:48 GMT
Alright Henbury , out of interest mate if this goes our way and compo comes our way then more than likely there will be a gap in the UWE funding but for the UWE to happen then a third party investor will have to be found, do you think we will get the necessary investment to enable the build and if so who? Perhaps the UWE themselves? The opportunity to build a state of the art stadium complex with full planning permission & a infrastructure to envy any stadium in the country, will be to attractive to investors, no problem. I just hope BRFC can have a major piece of the pie to benefit the club more than the current facilities. Henbury Just an observation and not a criticism ~ your comments now seem a lot less positive and the language less certain than used in the past. I hope that is not a sign of things to come....!!
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Post by LJG on Oct 30, 2014 14:56:31 GMT
Yeah, earlier this year, when Sainsbury's cold feet emerged, there was some speculation that UWE might fund the project. And some UWE spokesman specifically told the BEP a bunch of stuff that they would rather do if they had that sort of money. Can't find a link though. EDIT: Scooped To be honest I can vaguely remember something regarding that but I suppose that might change , at the end of the day the whole project will also be a feather in the cap and of massive benefit to the UWE . Could be that the spokesperson was their own opinion and not necessarily that of the the UWE itself, I'd imagine that for them to dismiss that scenario would possibly take weeks of dialogue and not just a throw away comment from 1 person As you can see from the link the comments were from the vice-chancellor of the University; it's not really likely that he'd be giving "throwaway" "opinions" to the local press is it? Particularly not couched in terms such as "Absolutely not".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:06:41 GMT
The opportunity to build a state of the art stadium complex with full planning permission & a infrastructure to envy any stadium in the country, will be to attractive to investors, no problem. I just hope BRFC can have a major piece of the pie to benefit the club more than the current facilities. Henbury Just an observation and not a criticism ~ your comments now seem a lot less positive and the language less certain than used in the past. I hope that is not a sign of things to come....!! If the original promise of a debt free club playing at a state of the Art stadia becoming, reality i would still be very positive, but my head tells me we will get a watered down facility and not be debt free. At the moment my head is ruling my heart, i just wish it was the other way round All i can report is that South Glous are proceeding as if the Stadium is going to be built and all things are good with Planning at BCC I'm confident that we will have our day in court with Sainsbury, when that will be is anybody's guess
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 30, 2014 15:10:53 GMT
Henbury Just an observation and not a criticism ~ your comments now seem a lot less positive and the language less certain than used in the past. I hope that is not a sign of things to come....!! If the original promise of a debt free club playing at a state of the Art stadia becoming, reality i would still be very positive, but my head tells me we will get a watered down facility and not be debt free. At the moment my head is ruling my heart, i just wish it was the other way round All i can report is that South Glous are proceeding as if the Stadium is going to be built and all things are good with Planning at BCC I'm confident that we will have our day in court with Sainsbury, when that will be is anybody's guess we went beyond it making us a debt free club years ago (not that it would stop us running up new debt based on past history anyway)
It was changed to "no debt attached to the stadium" (which there can't be as that is part of the agreement with UWE) quite a while ago, of course this means someone on the board funding the gap, someone buying in or scaling back on some aspects within the stadium or a mixture of all 3
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Post by irishrover on Oct 30, 2014 15:44:21 GMT
Well this is good and let's hope it leads to a positive result on 5th November; I think we deserve to see this out from here. However, surely all that would do is put us back in the running so to speak. It hardly solves the problem. I think it's pretty clear Sainsbury's have no desire to fulfil the original plan so all I can really see tha's remotely positive here is a long drawn out legal battle that may win and even that won't necessarily lead to the UWE if circumstances change. I'm glad some people are still optimistic but I'm struggling to see where that optimism is coming from. I see our negotiating position as being very week unless we really do have a watertight contract - which is possible but you have to think Sainbury's Army of lawyers would throw everything at it and precedent from elsewhere does not seem to be on our side. My main worry is that while we desperately need this development neither Sainsbury's nor UWE do; that is hardly a strong position to be in for any legal dispute or negotiation period. I think and i hope i'm wrong, but its all about compensation now and strong a case we can put to the courts to prove our case. I still think the UWE will be built, just not completely owned by BRFC OK - well that seems to be the most realistic option to hope for. But under that scenario I'd far rather we took our compensation and used it to redevelop the Mem on a smaller scale but including facilities we could use to make us more viable on non-matchdays. I would not support a 'build the UWE' at all costs strategy. I'd far rather cut our losses, vastly improve the Mem and keep control of our key asset. Losing control of the stadium in any way would be a disaster somewhere down the line and the UWE is not worth that.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 30, 2014 15:52:28 GMT
Am I the only one to feel that they have been repeatedly hit over the head with a 12ft pole, when discussing this subject? Just asking like.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 30, 2014 16:08:46 GMT
Am I the only one to feel that they have been repeatedly hit over the head with a 12ft pole, when discussing this subject? Just asking like. The trouble is you see it's not the despair that will kill you it's the hope.....
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Post by brizzle on Oct 30, 2014 16:35:33 GMT
Am I the only one to feel that they have been repeatedly hit over the head with a 12ft pole, when discussing this subject? Just asking like. The trouble is you see it's not the despair that will kill you it's the hope..... My grandmother used to tell me that it wasn't the illness that would kill me, but the medicine . . . but mind you, that was quite a long time ago now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2014 16:36:29 GMT
I think and i hope i'm wrong, but its all about compensation now and strong a case we can put to the courts to prove our case. I still think the UWE will be built, just not completely owned by BRFC OK - well that seems to be the most realistic option to hope for. But under that scenario I'd far rather we took our compensation and used it to redevelop the Mem on a smaller scale but including facilities we could use to make us more viable on non-matchdays. I would not support a 'build the UWE' at all costs strategy. I'd far rather cut our losses, vastly improve the Mem and keep control of our key asset. Losing control of the stadium in any way would be a disaster somewhere down the line and the UWE is not worth that. I'd sooner we build the UWE on a smaller scale than attempt to re-build a now very run down Mem, plus we'll always be stuck with limited expansion and restricted licensing hours at the Mem. it seems the UWE might be the clubs last chance to get a decent stadium.
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Post by ellington on Oct 30, 2014 16:42:42 GMT
To be honest I can vaguely remember something regarding that but I suppose that might change , at the end of the day the whole project will also be a feather in the cap and of massive benefit to the UWE . Could be that the spokesperson was their own opinion and not necessarily that of the the UWE itself, I'd imagine that for them to dismiss that scenario would possibly take weeks of dialogue and not just a throw away comment from 1 person As you can see from the link the comments were from the vice-chancellor of the University; it's not really likely that he'd be giving "throwaway" "opinions" to the local press is it? Particularly not couched in terms such as "Absolutely not". I'm not sure , where's the link ?he said he couldn't provide one
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 30, 2014 17:30:16 GMT
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