warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2024 22:35:52 GMT
Stick until at least Christmas.Unlikely barring a massive change in form that we will be in the mix for promotion this year and as long as we are not in a relegation tailspin then we should have a platform from which to build on. We have signed some good players but have been saying since before start of season we need to sign someone who can boss the midfield in a Coutts/Whelan/ Rossiter mould and none of our current squad are that. Garrett may be the closest to it? Yes, we need to stick, and Christmas seems a fair time. And I agree about recruitment this time, we’ve signed some good players even including strikers on this occasion. But he does need to get the mix right and you might be right about the midfield boss. We need a nasty little ****** who puts himself around in the mould of those players. Pretty sure we don’t have that. Iirc BG went after a very poor performance at home to Fleetwood in the rain, as did DC after losing to Doncaster at home and JB after a poor draw to Stevenage. I hope history doesn’t repeat itself. UTG! |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 23, 2024 6:31:16 GMT
Stick until at least Christmas. On current form and results, our season will be pretty much wrecked by Christmas. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 23, 2024 7:16:10 GMT
Two home games coming up Wycombe and Charlton to put things right.
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Post by shireblues on Sept 23, 2024 7:23:27 GMT
Joey was shown door on October 26th as "position in league didn't reflect budget he was given" said the owners . Let's see if they follow same edict ?
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Post by oldie on Sept 23, 2024 8:54:38 GMT
Stick until at least Christmas. On current form and results, our season will be pretty much wrecked by Christmas. I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 23, 2024 9:05:20 GMT
On current form and results, our season will be pretty much wrecked by Christmas. I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... Will be 4 defeats in a row if Wycombe win. A further loss against Charlton would make it 5 in a row. |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 23, 2024 9:42:39 GMT
On current form and results, our season will be pretty much wrecked by Christmas. I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... If I did a job as poorly as Taylor has done, from the beginning of the year up until the current date, I`d be embarrassed to pick up my wages. And I`d struggle to cope, knowing that I was disappointing so many people. Football managers a different breed? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 23, 2024 9:45:05 GMT
I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... If I did a job as poorly as Taylor has done, from the beginning of the year up until the current date, I`d be embarrassed to pick up my wages. And I`d struggle to cope, knowing that I was disappointing so many people. Football managers a different breed? Well I guess value is in the eye of the beholder, in this case the owners of BRFC. Until they decide otherwise the court of public opinion is only a side thought for them. |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 23, 2024 10:49:21 GMT
If I did a job as poorly as Taylor has done, from the beginning of the year up until the current date, I`d be embarrassed to pick up my wages. And I`d struggle to cope, knowing that I was disappointing so many people. Football managers a different breed? Well I guess value is in the eye of the beholder, in this case the owners of BRFC. Until they decide otherwise the court of public opinion is only a side thought for them. I`m talking about the manager himself, rather than the board`s view of the situation. Surely, based on form and results, Taylor must realise what a poor job he`s doing, and how our fans must feel about him, as a result. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 23, 2024 11:01:16 GMT
I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... If I did a job as poorly as Taylor has done, from the beginning of the year up until the current date, I`d be embarrassed to pick up my wages.And I`d struggle to cope, knowing that I was disappointing so many people. Football managers a different breed? Perhaps alf but I’d bet you’d still do it! House and mortgage to pay and a family to support is a tremendous driver. Don’t know about a different breed but football is definitely a different business. UTG! |
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Post by oldie on Sept 23, 2024 11:19:32 GMT
Well I guess value is in the eye of the beholder, in this case the owners of BRFC. Until they decide otherwise the court of public opinion is only a side thought for them. I`m talking about the manager himself, rather than the board`s view of the situation. Surely, based on form and results, Taylor must realise what a poor job he`s doing, and how our fans must feel about him, as a result. The board's view is the one that counts. They pay his salary |
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Post by harold on Sept 23, 2024 15:28:55 GMT
How much longer will we have to endure MT before the penny drops that he is absolutely clueless. He is incapable of getting the best from this group of players and I have already written this season off.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 23, 2024 16:35:13 GMT
How much longer will we have to endure MT before the penny drops that he is absolutely clueless. He is incapable of getting the best from this group of players and I have already written this season off. Another 3 years |
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 23, 2024 17:03:55 GMT
I suspect that we must beat Wycombe or his position will start looking untenable. Not terminal at that point, but defeat again against Charlton would be 4 in a row.... If I did a job as poorly as Taylor has done, from the beginning of the year up until the current date, I`d be embarrassed to pick up my wages. And I`d struggle to cope, knowing that I was disappointing so many people. Football managers a different breed? Taylor isn't being assessed from the start of the year. He is being assessed from the start of the season. Why? Because he was left with the task of clearing up what the incumbent left behind. Particularly ironic as Barton actually had to apologise to Tisdale after accusing him of negligence. JB left behind an underperforming, aging, poorly motivated, unbalanced and injury prone squad, and MT was given the chance to wipe the slate clean and start again. Had we simply been assessing him on the results at the tail end of last season, he would be gone by now, as both the performances and results were unacceptable. Results have been mixed this season, but, in my view, it is only the Wigan result and the first 60 minutes of the Peterborough game that have raised questions about MT's future, not what came before. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 23, 2024 17:17:59 GMT
Well I guess value is in the eye of the beholder, in this case the owners of BRFC. Until they decide otherwise the court of public opinion is only a side thought for them. I`m talking about the manager himself, rather than the board`s view of the situation. Surely, based on form and results, Taylor must realise what a poor job he`s doing, and how our fans must feel about him, as a result. I don't think a lot of our fans have any idea of how bad the situation behind the scenes had got by the time JB left. I don't believe JB was sacked because of the club's position, as I don't the board had any realistic aspirations of being higher than mid-table last season. Incidentally results were not great, but not that bad either. Under JB, the club's recruitment had basically broken down (shown by signing Martin because he lived in Bristol and signing Friend after an appearance in a testimonial), with JB tolerating special privileges for both staff and players, and also launching highly unprofessional, vindictive and personal attacks on individual players. JB also made a noose for his own neck by bloating the squad. Eventually, the new owners were not inclined to cut JB the same slack as Wael was. Fans who grasped this were inclined to cut MT some slack, even as performances and results dropped off as badly as they did last season. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 23, 2024 17:59:51 GMT
Joe Barton is long gone.
Matt Taylor has his own squad and coaches.
The football has often been poor.
We appear a bottom 8 standard fc and therefore we'll be involved in the relegation battle.
Joe Barton did'nt spend £500,000 on Promise,a striker poor in the air.MT did.
Having said that Promise is a nuisance to CHs.
It seems O'Donker looks our best striker.Eg,heading the ball down for McCormicks goal and a very good header from a Sousse ( spelling) cross.Sousse looks a good player too.
We have some decent players,obviously all is not lost.
What is our level right now?
I say bottom 8,possibly bottom.
Can Matt Taylor coach the vital improvement needed and if so,how long will he get to do it?
I think our Manager should probably of done better by now,but,that's not to say a serious and visible improvement is not far off.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 23, 2024 18:14:22 GMT
Joe Barton is long gone. Matt Taylor has his own squad and coaches. The football has often been poor. We appear a bottom 8 standard fc and therefore we'll be involved in the relegation battle. Joe Barton did'nt spend £500,000 on Promise,a striker poor in the air.MT did. Having said that Promise is a nuisance to CHs. It seems O'Donker looks our best striker.Eg,heading the ball down for McCormicks goal and a very good header from a Sousse ( spelling) cross.Sousse looks a good player too. We have some decent players,obviously all is not lost. What is our level right now? I say bottom 8,possibly bottom. Can Matt Taylor coach the vital improvement needed and if so,how long will he get to do it? I think our Manager should probably of done better by now,but,that's not to say a serious and visible improvement is not far off. 🤞 Barton tried to spend nearly a million on JCH. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 23, 2024 18:37:20 GMT
Joe Barton is long gone. Matt Taylor has his own squad and coaches. The football has often been poor. We appear a bottom 8 standard fc and therefore we'll be involved in the relegation battle. Joe Barton did'nt spend £500,000 on Promise,a striker poor in the air.MT did. Having said that Promise is a nuisance to CHs. It seems O'Donker looks our best striker.Eg,heading the ball down for McCormicks goal and a very good header from a Sousse ( spelling) cross.Sousse looks a good player too. We have some decent players,obviously all is not lost. What is our level right now? I say bottom 8,possibly bottom. Can Matt Taylor coach the vital improvement needed and if so,how long will he get to do it? I think our Manager should probably of done better by now,but,that's not to say a serious and visible improvement is not far off. 🤞 Barton tried to spend nearly a million on JCH. My point is,there is no point in blaming Joe Barton for this season. |
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Post by The Concept on Sept 23, 2024 18:55:17 GMT
Interesting op. I can empathise but respectfully disagree. In a game of Gas Buckeroo, we all get triggered at different points in the games and season. Here's where I stand: For the record, I've never been Taylor in. Nor Taylor out. After 12 matches, there should be more of feeling of progression, ideally, and we'll see but as it stands I think it's too early to call for definite. Even though am leaning to Mattxit... This thing about '10 matches' I keep seeing recently seems to be a new phenomenon. Like you, '12 matches' is the one I remember as being a yardstick. '70s and '80s pundits saying it's only after 12 games that you can get an idea about how the season may pan out. And even then they weren't saying 12 games is the point in which the axe falls. It must be social media and short attention spans, which is fueling this hire and fire policy. We really aren't helping ourselves by keeping on paying off managers salaries. |
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Post by The Concept on Sept 23, 2024 19:31:53 GMT
Joey was shown door on October 26th as "position in league didn't reflect budget he was given" said the owners . Let's see if they follow same edict ? If it's the same edict then it would be around October 26th 2025. JB had a full season in League 1, where we finished 17th. Then second season sacked after 13 games, when we were 16th. And even though I can't stand him, I was surprised at the time. p.s. My thoughts were the new owners were looking for the first excuse to get rid. I took the statement put out with a large pinch of salt. |
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