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Post by oldie on Aug 24, 2024 21:24:14 GMT
Of course not "Elon Musk has complied after all and provided a list of X Holding Corp shareholders who helped the billionaire buy Twitter. And who do you think turned out to be the investors of the X platform? That's right, Petr Aven and Vadim Moshkovich. Now it is absolutely obvious where Musk got such love for Russia and where the roots of “filters” due to anti-Russian publications grow from. Let me remind you who Aven and Moshkovich are. Petr Aven is a Russian billionaire, founder of Alfa Group, which is one of the main wallets for Putin. This man is controlled by the Kremlin as much as possible, for example, in 2018 he traveled to Washington with his colleague Fridman to lobby on behalf of the Russian government to lift international sanctions on Russia." x.com/DenisDanilovL/status/1827282706574537013 |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 21:51:39 GMT
It is interesting that those who normally defend the right have no opinion on Elon Mush being sponsored and supported financially by Russians.
Perhaps they support it as keenly as they supported Boris and his relationship with the Russians.
I do hope that Labour publish the unredacted Russian report, although as Boris breached UK security in his relationships, I expect it to be classed as top secret for a while yet....
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 23:59:39 GMT
Oh dear, the suggestion of Russia again. Didn't you learn anything from the inference of Russia with Trump, which was proven to be a pack of lies in the courts?
Didn't you learn of the so-called Russian influence/money with Aaron Banks and Brexit? Another totally unproven allegation which was dismissed in the courts? Just ask Carol Cadwallor, or however you spell her name.
Musk doesn't need Russian money.
Change the record guys. No matter how much mud you want to sling, none of it is proven.
If this so-called 'secret report' exists, don't you think that Labour would publish it? What on earth would enable it to be 'secret'?
Christ guys, wise up and stop listening to the sixth form.......and you complain about people believing what they read online?
Face reality for Christs's Sakes !
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Post by baldrick on Sept 5, 2024 0:22:21 GMT
Oh dear, the suggestion of Russia again. Didn't you learn anything from the inference of Russia with Trump, which was proven to be a pack of lies in the courts? Didn't you learn of the so-called Russian influence/money with Aaron Banks and Brexit? Another totally unproven allegation which was dismissed in the courts? Just ask Carol Cadwallor, or however you spell her name. Musk doesn't need Russian money. Change the record guys. No matter how much mud you want to sling, none of it is proven. If this so-called 'secret report' exists, don't you think that Labour would publish it? What on earth would enable it to be 'secret'? Christ guys, wise up and stop listening to the sixth form.......and you complain about people believing what they read online? Face reality for Christs's Sakes ! "Musk doesn't need Russian money." They, among nearly 100 others, have given financial support to buy Twitter. |
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Post by icegas on Sept 5, 2024 7:20:36 GMT
Oh dear, the suggestion of Russia again. Didn't you learn anything from the inference of Russia with Trump, which was proven to be a pack of lies in the courts? Didn't you learn of the so-called Russian influence/money with Aaron Banks and Brexit? Another totally unproven allegation which was dismissed in the courts? Just ask Carol Cadwallor, or however you spell her name. Musk doesn't need Russian money. Change the record guys. No matter how much mud you want to sling, none of it is proven. If this so-called 'secret report' exists, don't you think that Labour would publish it? What on earth would enable it to be 'secret'? Christ guys, wise up and stop listening to the sixth form.......and you complain about people believing what they read online? Face reality for Christs's Sakes ! "Musk doesn't need Russian money." They, among nearly 100 others, have given financial support to buy Twitter. Genuine question, is this correct or just hear say? As the point I think Nobby is making, is the Musk is the richest person in the world so does need any outside help, money wise with anything. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 5, 2024 7:26:36 GMT
"Musk doesn't need Russian money." They, among nearly 100 others, have given financial support to buy Twitter. Genuine question, is this correct or just hear say? As the point I think Nobby is making, is the Musk is the richest person in the world so does need any outside help, money wise with anything. It was confirmed in a financial submission to the US authorities. The link was added at the time on another thread. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 7:56:29 GMT
Genuine question, is this correct or just hear say? As the point I think Nobby is making, is the Musk is the richest person in the world so does need any outside help, money wise with anything. It was confirmed in a financial submission to the US authorities. The link was added at the time on another thread. It's because people do not understand how large financing works with these huge deals, like buying Twitter. Simply put, if you are going to buy a company for 4 billion, you do not use all your own money. You get investors on board. No need to risk all your own money! In the case of Musk and Twitter, there are over one hundred companies and individuals who have invested. It's called sharing the risk. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 5, 2024 10:01:09 GMT
It was confirmed in a financial submission to the US authorities. The link was added at the time on another thread. It's because people do not understand how large financing works with these huge deals, like buying Twitter. Simply put, if you are going to buy a company for 4 billion, you do not use all your own money. You get investors on board. No need to risk all your own money! In the case of Musk and Twitter, there are over one hundred companies and individuals who have invested. It's called sharing the risk. Precisely, the point was who he got to help, though. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 10:16:52 GMT
It's because people do not understand how large financing works with these huge deals, like buying Twitter. Simply put, if you are going to buy a company for 4 billion, you do not use all your own money. You get investors on board. No need to risk all your own money! In the case of Musk and Twitter, there are over one hundred companies and individuals who have invested. It's called sharing the risk. Precisely, the point was who he got to help, though. Well exactly. Nobody forces anyone to accept money from malign actors. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 5, 2024 10:18:59 GMT
Interesting Nobby that you are so keen to defend Russia and its acolytes.
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 10:20:24 GMT
Interesting Nobby that you are so keen to defend Russia and its acolytes. Yes I find it surprising as well |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 11:06:38 GMT
Precisely, the point was who he got to help, though. Well exactly. Nobody forces anyone to accept money from malign actors. Just because they are Russian does not mean they are 'malign actors'. Tis not good to paint a whole nation with the same brush, don't you think? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 11:13:55 GMT
Interesting Nobby that you are so keen to defend Russia and its acolytes. I am not defending Russia or it's 'acolytes'. I have five very good friends who are Russian, and all of them are very good people. I'm surprised at you all for suggesting that all Russians are bad. You all get into a right huff when anyone else says the same about Muslims, yet you are all guilty of the same offence. I am fed-up though of all these claims of "Russian interference" eveywhere. The claims against Trump were proven to be false, yet you all believed them even though it was fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh, and some of you even keep bringing it up! The lies spread by Carole Cadwaller (spelling) against Aaron Banks that he was funded by Russia were proven to be false, yet you all believed the fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh. You all get mad at the so-called "right wing" for believing fake news yet you are all just as guilty! I suggest you all find a mirror and take a good look. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 11:35:19 GMT
Well exactly. Nobody forces anyone to accept money from malign actors. Just because they are Russian does not mean they are 'malign actors'. Tis not good to paint a whole nation with the same brush, don't you think? To be wealthy enough to make a material difference to an investment in a transaction like Musk's takeover of Twitter, where that wealth originates from Russia, immediately brings into question the origin of funds and Russian political affiliations in Russia. Unless you are contending that Russia is free and open society |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 5, 2024 11:47:28 GMT
I'll repost the links. x.com/DenisDanilovL/status/1827282706574537013www.newsweek.com/full-list-investors-elon-musks-x-revealed-court-filing-1942970From the Twitter account: "Petr Aven is a Russian billionaire, founder of Alfa Group, which is one of the main wallets for Putin. This man is controlled by the Kremlin as much as possible, for example, in 2018 he traveled to Washington with his colleague Fridman to lobby on behalf of the Russian government to lift international sanctions on Russia. Aven is one of Putin's oldest friends. In general, without Peter's interference, Putin would be in jail rather than becoming president. After all, Aven covered for Vladimir Putin in 1992, when he organized the illegal trade in export licenses. Aven promptly approved him as an authorized representative of the Ministry of Foreign Economic Affairs with the right of foreign economic activity, thus saving the future  from prison. Aven also attended a meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 to mark the start of the invasion of Ukraine. He did not express any protest, started the special military operation and silently supported Putin. By the way, he along with Friedman is trying to get sanctions lifted, just yesterday he received another rejection in this matter. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Denis works. Vadim Moshkovich is a sub-sanctioned Russian agrarian billionaire who was a member of the “Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation”. In other words, he was officially part of Putin's closest circle. Moshkovich owns Russia's largest agricultural holding Rusagro. Naturally, he also attended the meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 and, like Aven, did not express any protest against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Jack (Eugene) works. Also an interesting personality is Al-Waleed bin Talal Al Saud, who both personally and through his Kingdom Holding Company is represented in the list of investors as many as three times. This man continues his investment business in Russia and does not publicly support Hamas in the war against Israel. He regularly works with Rosneft, Lukoil and Gazprom on investments in Russia." |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 11:59:00 GMT
I'll repost the links. x.com/DenisDanilovL/status/1827282706574537013www.newsweek.com/full-list-investors-elon-musks-x-revealed-court-filing-1942970From the Twitter account: "Petr Aven is a Russian billionaire, founder of Alfa Group, which is one of the main wallets for Putin. This man is controlled by the Kremlin as much as possible, for example, in 2018 he traveled to Washington with his colleague Fridman to lobby on behalf of the Russian government to lift international sanctions on Russia. Aven is one of Putin's oldest friends. In general, without Peter's interference, Putin would be in jail rather than becoming president. After all, Aven covered for Vladimir Putin in 1992, when he organized the illegal trade in export licenses. Aven promptly approved him as an authorized representative of the Ministry of Foreign Economic Affairs with the right of foreign economic activity, thus saving the future from prison. Aven also attended a meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 to mark the start of the invasion of Ukraine. He did not express any protest, started the special military operation and silently supported Putin. By the way, he along with Friedman is trying to get sanctions lifted, just yesterday he received another rejection in this matter. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Denis works. Vadim Moshkovich is a sub-sanctioned Russian agrarian billionaire who was a member of the “Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation”. In other words, he was officially part of Putin's closest circle. Moshkovich owns Russia's largest agricultural holding Rusagro. Naturally, he also attended the meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 and, like Aven, did not express any protest against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Jack (Eugene) works. Also an interesting personality is Al-Waleed bin Talal Al Saud, who both personally and through his Kingdom Holding Company is represented in the list of investors as many as three times. This man continues his investment business in Russia and does not publicly support Hamas in the war against Israel. He regularly works with Rosneft, Lukoil and Gazprom on investments in Russia." Boom What do you think Nobby? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 5, 2024 12:15:26 GMT
Interesting Nobby that you are so keen to defend Russia and its acolytes. I am not defending Russia or it's 'acolytes'. I have five very good friends who are Russian, and all of them are very good people. I'm surprised at you all for suggesting that all Russians are bad. You all get into a right huff when anyone else says the same about Muslims, yet you are all guilty of the same offence. I am fed-up though of all these claims of "Russian interference" eveywhere. The claims against Trump were proven to be false, yet you all believed them even though it was fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh, and some of you even keep bringing it up! The lies spread by Carole Cadwaller (spelling) against Aaron Banks that he was funded by Russia were proven to be false, yet you all believed the fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh. You all get mad at the so-called "right wing" for believing fake news yet you are all just as guilty! I suggest you all find a mirror and take a good look. Sorry Nobby, where did I say all Russians are bad? Stop putting words into my posts. I have worked with Russians in banking so don't how you are supposing I think all Russians are bad..... In fact I got several Russian banks into CEER deals which they had found difficulty getting into. I would point out that Carole Cadwallader only lost part of her claim against Aaron Banks. I suggest you also take a good look in the mirror buddy! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 12:45:20 GMT
I am not defending Russia or it's 'acolytes'. I have five very good friends who are Russian, and all of them are very good people. I'm surprised at you all for suggesting that all Russians are bad. You all get into a right huff when anyone else says the same about Muslims, yet you are all guilty of the same offence. I am fed-up though of all these claims of "Russian interference" eveywhere. The claims against Trump were proven to be false, yet you all believed them even though it was fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh, and some of you even keep bringing it up! The lies spread by Carole Cadwaller (spelling) against Aaron Banks that he was funded by Russia were proven to be false, yet you all believed the fake news. Caused a lot of damage though eh. You all get mad at the so-called "right wing" for believing fake news yet you are all just as guilty! I suggest you all find a mirror and take a good look. Sorry Nobby, where did I say all Russians are bad? Stop putting words into my posts. I have worked with Russians in banking so don't how you are supposing I think all Russians are bad..... In fact I got several Russian banks into CEER deals which they had found difficulty getting into. I would point out that Carole Cadwallader only lost part of her claim against Aaron Banks. I suggest you also take a good look in the mirror buddy! She was lucky that she didn't lose then....Oh, and she issued two public apologies to him as well. "Journalist Carole Cadwalladr has been ordered to pay legal costs of around £1.2 million to Arron Banks after he partially won an appeal in a long-running libel dispute. Brexit campaigner Mr Banks originally lost his case against Ms Cadwalladr for her remarks in a speech and a tweet. In February he succeeded in partially reversing that at the Court of Appeal. Ms Cadwalladr said it was a "dark day for press freedom". Banks called it "vindication". The case centred on comments Ms Cadwalladr made in a Technology, Entertainment, Design (TED) talk broadcast online in April 2019, in which she accused Mr Banks of lying about "his covert relationship with the Russian government", as well as a tweet linking to the speech. Mr Banks argued her remarks were "false and defamatory" and sought damages and an injunction to restrain the continued publication of the remarks. In June 2022, Mrs Justice Steyn ruled in favour of Ms Cadwalladr, concluding she held a "reasonable belief" that her comments were in the public interest until April 2020, when the Electoral Commission announced that a National Crime Agency investigation concluded there was no evidence to support the allegations against Mr Banks or his companies.
Mr Banks then went to the Court of Appeal, which partially ruled in his favour, concluding that it had in fact been defamatory for the allegations to still be published after it had become clear that they were unsubstantiated. However it upheld other rulings made by Justice Steyn, including that Mr Banks had not proved that what Ms Cadwalladr tweeted had caused or was likely to cause "serious harm to his reputation". Subsequently, court documents dated 17 May said Mr Banks "was the successful party on the appeal and overall", and that Ms Cadwalladr must pay 60% of the businessman's original costs - listing an interim figure of £400,000.
She must also repay almost £800,000 in costs that Mr Banks paid her after he initially lost the case. In addition, she was ordered to pay a third of his costs at the Court of Appeal - £52,000." |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 12:46:50 GMT
I'll repost the links. x.com/DenisDanilovL/status/1827282706574537013www.newsweek.com/full-list-investors-elon-musks-x-revealed-court-filing-1942970From the Twitter account: "Petr Aven is a Russian billionaire, founder of Alfa Group, which is one of the main wallets for Putin. This man is controlled by the Kremlin as much as possible, for example, in 2018 he traveled to Washington with his colleague Fridman to lobby on behalf of the Russian government to lift international sanctions on Russia. Aven is one of Putin's oldest friends. In general, without Peter's interference, Putin would be in jail rather than becoming president. After all, Aven covered for Vladimir Putin in 1992, when he organized the illegal trade in export licenses. Aven promptly approved him as an authorized representative of the Ministry of Foreign Economic Affairs with the right of foreign economic activity, thus saving the future from prison. Aven also attended a meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 to mark the start of the invasion of Ukraine. He did not express any protest, started the special military operation and silently supported Putin. By the way, he along with Friedman is trying to get sanctions lifted, just yesterday he received another rejection in this matter. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Denis works. Vadim Moshkovich is a sub-sanctioned Russian agrarian billionaire who was a member of the “Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation”. In other words, he was officially part of Putin's closest circle. Moshkovich owns Russia's largest agricultural holding Rusagro. Naturally, he also attended the meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 and, like Aven, did not express any protest against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Twitter is represented in the purchase by 8VC Opportunities Fund II, L.P., a company in which his son Jack (Eugene) works. Also an interesting personality is Al-Waleed bin Talal Al Saud, who both personally and through his Kingdom Holding Company is represented in the list of investors as many as three times. This man continues his investment business in Russia and does not publicly support Hamas in the war against Israel. He regularly works with Rosneft, Lukoil and Gazprom on investments in Russia." Boom What do you think Nobby? I'm thinking that you had "25 rip roaring years in the City" so I am surprised at you. Surely you know how big money deals are financed? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 13:00:28 GMT
Boom What do you think Nobby? I'm thinking that you had "25 rip roaring years in the City" so I am surprised at you. Surely you know how big money deals are financed? 😂😂😂😂 What do you think of the analysis of Musk's funding sources? |
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from prison. Aven also attended a meeting with Putin on February 24, 2022 to mark the start of the invasion of Ukraine. He did not express any protest, started the special military operation and silently supported Putin. By the way, he along with Friedman is trying to get sanctions lifted, just yesterday he received another rejection in this matter.