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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 10, 2024 8:12:18 GMT
The Tories have no clue as to why they have failed, and will continue to fail. The country gave the Tories a large majority, and they wasted it. The result was that the public turned against them. Nobody believes a word they say. "We'll reduce taxes", they say. The public say, "why didn't you do that before". "We'll reduce immigration", they say. The public say, "why didn't you do that before" etc etc. It's going to take many many years before the public listen to the Tories again.
I get the impression that Labour are going down the same route. They are alienating the public already. Sleaze and corruption are rife, and this is in a government that is about three months old! Didn't Labour learn anything from the previous Tory government?
The public have handed the Tories their arses on a plate, and I think the same will happen with Labour.
In the meantime the LibDems, the Greens and Reform will continue to pick up votes and support firstly via local elections (it has started to happen already) and then various by-elections, and finally a General Election. The next government will no doubt be a coalition.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 11:47:00 GMT
How British is Badenoch?
How relevant is that?
A vote loser eg?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 11:55:18 GMT
How British is Badenoch? How relevant is that? A vote loser eg? It's a vote loser for Ltdgas, who pointed out she's a 'forriner', even though she was born in London. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 13:30:51 GMT
How British is Badenoch? How relevant is that? A vote loser eg? It's a vote loser for Ltdgas, who pointed out she's a 'forriner', even though she was born in London. I suspect millions would agree with Ltdgas. Badenochs mother, when heavily pregnant flew to England to have her baby and therefore gaining a British passport for her baby.This practice/loophole has since been stopped. Badenoch has described it as winning a Willy Wonka raffle. She was brought up in Nigeria and like her parentsspoke Yoroba. She spent some time in the US with her mother,then back to her country ,Nigeria. When she was 16 there was much trouble in Nigeria and so her Mother sent her to England to live with a relative or friend of the family. That's when she arrived in the UK. Badenoch is not British. She probably cannot have the same feelings for the UK as millions of actual Britons. So if you want a Briton as our potential PM,then Kemi is not your girl. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 13:33:44 GMT
It's a vote loser for Ltdgas, who pointed out she's a 'forriner', even though she was born in London. I suspect millions would agree with Ltdgas. Badenochs mother, when heavily pregnant flew to England to have her baby and therefore gaining a British passport for her baby.This practice/loophole has since been stopped. Badenoch has described it as winning a Willy Wonka raffle. She was brought up in Nigeria and that was he mother tongue. She spent some time in the US with her mother,then back to her country ,Nigeria. When she was 16 there was much trouble in Nigeria and so her Mother sent her to England to live with a relative or friend of the family. That's when she arrived in the UK. Badenoch is not British. She probably cannot have the same feelings for the UK as millions of actual Britons. So if you want a Briton as our potential PM,then Kemi is not your girl. What passport does she have? Is Boris American? Why should place of birth or place you were raised have any bearing on feelings as an adult? Pretty daft really. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 13:40:47 GMT
I suspect millions would agree with Ltdgas. Badenochs mother, when heavily pregnant flew to England to have her baby and therefore gaining a British passport for her baby.This practice/loophole has since been stopped. Badenoch has described it as winning a Willy Wonka raffle. She was brought up in Nigeria and that was he mother tongue. She spent some time in the US with her mother,then back to her country ,Nigeria. When she was 16 there was much trouble in Nigeria and so her Mother sent her to England to live with a relative or friend of the family. That's when she arrived in the UK. Badenoch is not British. She probably cannot have the same feelings for the UK as millions of actual Britons. So if you want a Briton as our potential PM,then Kemi is not your girl. What passport does she have? Is Boris American? Why should place of birth or place you were raised have any bearing on feelings as an adult? Pretty daft really. I assume she has dual passports Baldrick. Boris gave up his American citizenship. Well for those that want a Briton for PM,it might be they suspect a non Briton does'nt care enough for Britain.Perhaps.I don't know,but Kemi is not British,not much at least. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 13:43:27 GMT
What passport does she have? Is Boris American? Why should place of birth or place you were raised have any bearing on feelings as an adult? Pretty daft really. I assume she has dual passports Baldrick. Boris gave up his American citizenship. Well for those that want a Briton for PM,it might be they suspect a non Briton does'nt care enough for Britain.Perhaps.I don't know,but Kemi is not British,not much at least. Assume is carrying a lot of weight, Bas. I would suspect she'd disagree wholeheartedly about your thinking. Why would someone not originally from here care less? In many ways they may actually care more. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 13:48:30 GMT
I assume she has dual passports Baldrick. Boris gave up his American citizenship. Well for those that want a Briton for PM,it might be they suspect a non Briton does'nt care enough for Britain.Perhaps.I don't know,but Kemi is not British,not much at least. Assume is carrying a lot of weight, Bas. I would suspect she'd disagree wholeheartedly about your thinking. Why would someone not originally from here care less? In many ways they may actually care more. They may care more,it's possible of course. They may be a brilliant PM. It's a bit like the England football managers job. Millions still want to see an Englishman in the job. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 16:23:55 GMT
Assume is carrying a lot of weight, Bas. I would suspect she'd disagree wholeheartedly about your thinking. Why would someone not originally from here care less? In many ways they may actually care more. They may care more,it's possible of course. They may be a brilliant PM. It's a bit like the England football managers job. Millions still want to see an Englishman in the job. Same could be said of "actual" Britons. Plenty who would sell the country and have little interest in doing what's right. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 10, 2024 16:44:21 GMT
They may care more,it's possible of course. They may be a brilliant PM. It's a bit like the England football managers job. Millions still want to see an Englishman in the job. Same could be said of "actual" Britons. Plenty who would sell the country and have little interest in doing what's right. Yet another deeply embarrassing set of posts from our incoherent member. Funnily enough I do not like Badenoch as a politician because of her stated views. But I do want her to win because she is female and black skinned female to boot. But, some of her stated views are horrific, as are "Bobby" Jenricks. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 10, 2024 17:23:21 GMT
Same could be said of "actual" Britons. Plenty who would sell the country and have little interest in doing what's right. Yet another deeply embarrassing set of posts from our incoherent member. Funnily enough I do not like Badenoch as a politician because of her stated views. But I do want her to win because she is female and black skinned female to boot. But, some of her stated views are horrific, as are "Bobby" Jenricks. Whilst I appreciate you and Bas have differences of opinion can we keep focus and descriptions on posts rather than posters. Whatever thoughts people have concerning other posters can we kindly keep those under wraps and to ourselves please? The same also please for trymer and aghast for each other. Thanks |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 17:32:15 GMT
They may care more,it's possible of course. They may be a brilliant PM. It's a bit like the England football managers job. Millions still want to see an Englishman in the job. Same could be said of "actual" Britons. Plenty who would sell the country and have little interest in doing what's right. Yes,that's possible,but I suppose the point is here and what I've put forward,some would say at least this "plenty" are British. Baldrick,I have only asked is it significant that Kemi is hardly British. I pointed out her past.I've not said how I feel about it,but I do see how Ltdgas and millions of others want a Briton to be our PM.I can see their opinion. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 17:37:17 GMT
Same could be said of "actual" Britons. Plenty who would sell the country and have little interest in doing what's right. Yes,that's possible,but I suppose the point is here and what I've put forward,some would say at least this "plenty" are British. Baldrick,I have only asked is it significant that Kemi is hardly British. I pointed out her past.I've not said how I feel about it,but I do see how Ltdgas and millions of others want a Briton to be our PM.I can see their opinion. The phrase goes along the lines of 1 volunteer is worth 10 pressed men. Same with people elsewhere, sometimes someone not of these lands is more passionate than some born here. However she was born here, she has a British passport and it wasn't an issue until you brought it up. Just for clarity, can you confirm you have no problem voting for someone not originally from here or holds a different sexuality to yours, if their policies align with yours. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 17:53:22 GMT
Yes,that's possible,but I suppose the point is here and what I've put forward,some would say at least this "plenty" are British. Baldrick,I have only asked is it significant that Kemi is hardly British. I pointed out her past.I've not said how I feel about it,but I do see how Ltdgas and millions of others want a Briton to be our PM.I can see their opinion. The phrase goes along the lines of 1 volunteer is worth 10 pressed men. Same with people elsewhere, sometimes someone not of these lands is more passionate than some born here. However she was born here, she has a British passport and it wasn't an issue until you brought it up. Just for clarity, can you confirm you have no problem voting for someone not originally from here or holds a different sexuality to yours, if their policies align with yours. Ltdgas had already brought it up according to you. It is an issue for a lot of people ,bound to be. Me,i could vote for any human if they impressed me enough and I believed in them. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 18:00:36 GMT
Oldie posted....
"Funnily enough I do not like Badenoch as a politician because of her stated views.
But I do want her to win because she is female and black skinned female to boot".
Basel posted.....
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Post by oldie on Oct 10, 2024 18:19:12 GMT
Yet another deeply embarrassing set of posts from our incoherent member. Funnily enough I do not like Badenoch as a politician because of her stated views. But I do want her to win because she is female and black skinned female to boot. But, some of her stated views are horrific, as are "Bobby" Jenricks. Whilst I appreciate you and Bas have differences of opinion can we keep focus and descriptions on posts rather than posters. Whatever thoughts people have concerning other posters can we kindly keep those under wraps and to ourselves please? The same also please for trymer and aghast for each other. Thanks Yes of course. But as a matter of principle are we not allowed to challenge what clearly are prejudicial posts by describing them as such and then subsequently being able to challenge the denials? I think this is a key principle of free and open debate. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 10, 2024 18:41:40 GMT
The phrase goes along the lines of 1 volunteer is worth 10 pressed men. Same with people elsewhere, sometimes someone not of these lands is more passionate than some born here. However she was born here, she has a British passport and it wasn't an issue until you brought it up. Just for clarity, can you confirm you have no problem voting for someone not originally from here or holds a different sexuality to yours, if their policies align with yours. Ltdgas had already brought it up according to you. It is an issue for a lot of people ,bound to be. Me,i could vote for any human if they impressed me enough and I believed in them. He did, but that was a fair few posts ago. Glad you cleared that up. 👍 |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 10, 2024 19:50:34 GMT
Ltdgas had already brought it up according to you. It is an issue for a lot of people ,bound to be. Me,i could vote for any human if they impressed me enough and I believed in them. He did, but that was a fair few posts ago. Glad you cleared that up. 👍 "A few posts ago" counts Baldrick. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 10, 2024 19:56:37 GMT
What passport does she have? Is Boris American? Why should place of birth or place you were raised have any bearing on feelings as an adult? Pretty daft really. I assume she has dual passports Baldrick. Boris gave up his American citizenship. Well for those that want a Briton for PM,it might be they suspect a non Briton does'nt care enough for Britain.Perhaps.I don't know,but Kemi is not British,not much at least. Which bits do you consider British? Obviously without fücking about any more, not her skin colour. I'm sick to death of this passive racism on here. Too scared to say it directly, it's hinted at and pushed in a tangential way, with the meaning remaining obvious but the actual wording remaining slightly elusive and stopping short of direct accusations. Always the option to hold the hands up and say 'not me guv' is kept in reserve. What a place this is. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 10, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
Yet another deeply embarrassing set of posts from our incoherent member. Funnily enough I do not like Badenoch as a politician because of her stated views. But I do want her to win because she is female and black skinned female to boot. But, some of her stated views are horrific, as are "Bobby" Jenricks. Whilst I appreciate you and Bas have differences of opinion can we keep focus and descriptions on posts rather than posters. Whatever thoughts people have concerning other posters can we kindly keep those under wraps and to ourselves please? The same also please for trymer and aghast for each other. Thanks I haven't interacted with whatisname for weeks, in any way, as I told you I wouldn't and have been true to my word in every way, unlike him. So I am unhappy that you have brought me into this now. |
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