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Post by oldie on Jun 6, 2024 9:22:42 GMT
Late reply. We think so differently that it is pretty pointless for me to put up my perspective. For me those things you list are in the most part behaviours born of "Culture" not culture in itself. Epping lists tolerance, something I agree with, but is tolerance inherent within our culture or has it grown as laws passed by our Parliament (Parliamentary democracy is a cultural element of the UK, to me) made previous illegality, legal? Often fought against by the very element you included, Christianity. In conclusion culture is not fixed. "Born of culture,not culture itself". I nearly did'nt bother responding to your "I bet you" post because I knew you would muddy the waters. I'm afraid your response looks like bulls**t. Well,not much I can say really, you say BS without detailing why
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Post by baselswh on Jun 6, 2024 9:24:51 GMT
"Born of culture,not culture itself". I nearly did'nt bother responding to your "I bet you" post because I knew you would muddy the waters. I'm afraid your response looks like bulls**t. Well,not much I can say really, you say BS without detailing why You could explain your ideas of culture within the UK and what political party would best preserve your opinion on the matter. Answer a question , you know.
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 7, 2024 7:17:36 GMT
German leader hardens on deportations amid row with far right as EU election looms Chancellor says violent, foreign-born criminals, even from Syria and Afghanistan, may be forced to leave Deborah Cole in Berlin Thu 6 Jun 2024 16.11 BST Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare via Email The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, has told parliament he backs the deportation of violent, foreign-born criminals even if they come from Syria or Afghanistan, as he signalled a more hardline stance three days before Germans vote in European elections. In a heated debate days after an Afghan asylum seeker allegedly killed a police officer at a far-right rally, Scholz responded on Thursday to accusations by the conservative opposition and the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) that his government was lax on deportations. He told MPs, to applause: “Let me be clear: it outrages me when someone who has sought protection here in our country commits the most serious crimes. “Such criminals should be deported, even if they come from Syria and Afghanistan.” The Afghan suspect, 25, allegedly fatally stabbed a 29-year-old police officer who was trying to stop him from committing an attack ahead of a political rally in the south-western city of Mannheim. The EU is braced for a rise in the hard right. What matters is how the centre responds The suspect arrived in Germany as a teenager in 2013 and, although his claim for asylum was rejected, he was reportedly not deported – initially due to his young age. The country stopped carrying out deportations to Afghanistan in 2021 after the Taliban returned to power. It has determined that the precarious security situation in Syria would also prohibit deporting people there.
Migration has dominated the campaign for the European parliament elections – to be held in Germany on Sunday – and Scholz has struggled to maintain the upper hand against fierce criticism from the AfD, which is expected to make gains despite a series of recent scandals. On Thursday, the chancellor vowed consequences for asylum seekers who “glorify terrorist crimes”. “It is a slap in the face to the victims, their loved ones and our democratic basic order,” he said. But he warned against using killings such as the one in Mannheim to stir up xenophobia. “Everyone in our country must be able to live without fear of their fellow human beings.” Scholz said the federal interior ministry was already working on “legally and practically feasible means” to return people convicted of crimes to Afghanistan, and holding talks on the matter with the country’s neighbours. The proposed changes came in for criticism from within Scholz’s unwieldy three-way coalition. Greens MP Julian Pahlke told Der Spiegel the chancellor’s initiative was “aimless” and unlikely to stand up in court. What are the EU elections and why do they matter? German law stipulates that the country does not return asylum seekers to countries where they could face torture, death or other inhumane treatment. Speaking in parliament on Thursday, Scholz also went on the attack against the AfD, calling it “embarrassing” that the party had received “high praise” from the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.
The Russian leader told foreign reporters late Wednesday that he saw “no signs of neo-nazism in the activities of the AfD” and that if the party “speaks out in favour of normal relations with our country, with Russia, we only support this”. German intelligence services have designated the AfD a suspected right-wing extremist organisation, with several of its local branches called “confirmed” extremist. The centre-right CDU-CSU looks set to claim about 30% in Sunday’s vote, according to a final poll, with the AfD, Scholz’s Social Democrats and the Greens fighting for a distant second place with between 13 and 16%. This is what we're up against
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 17, 2024 13:42:54 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 12:17:35 GMT
I'm glad to see ,at least a tiny percentage of our media are calling for the crime league tables to be published.
In countries that keep these records,it shows the usual suspects making sex and violent crimes widespread.
Facts are more important than virtue signalling personal crusades against people that point the facts out. Facts are more important than calling someone a racist or Islamaphobe.
Starmer immediately stopped the Rwanda scheme and replaced it with blah blah blah.
That'll help.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 12:24:41 GMT
I'm glad to see ,at least a tiny percentage of our media are calling for the crime league tables to be published. In countries that keep these records,it shows the usual suspects making sex and violent crimes widespread. Facts are more important than virtue signalling personal crusades against people that point the facts out. Facts are more important than calling someone a racist or Islamaphobe. Starmer immediately stopped the Rwanda scheme and replaced it with blah blah blah. That'll help. No, he stopped a scheme that had already cost us top end of £300 million and was not going to work. You happy that we blew £300million on this?
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 12:25:22 GMT
I'm glad to see ,at least a tiny percentage of our media are calling for the crime league tables to be published. In countries that keep these records,it shows the usual suspects making sex and violent crimes widespread. Facts are more important than virtue signalling personal crusades against people that point the facts out. Facts are more important than calling someone a racist or Islamaphobe. Starmer immediately stopped the Rwanda scheme and replaced it with blah blah blah. That'll help. I already posted up the numbers.The numbers are readily available
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 12:41:38 GMT
I'm glad to see ,at least a tiny percentage of our media are calling for the crime league tables to be published. In countries that keep these records,it shows the usual suspects making sex and violent crimes widespread. Facts are more important than virtue signalling personal crusades against people that point the facts out. Facts are more important than calling someone a racist or Islamaphobe. Starmer immediately stopped the Rwanda scheme and replaced it with blah blah blah. That'll help. I already posted up the numbers.The numbers are readily available No you did'nt. Not the numbers eg Denmatk and Sweden put up. Though thanks for trying.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 12:52:24 GMT
I already posted up the numbers.The numbers are readily available No you did'nt. Not the numbers eg Denmatk and Sweden put up. Though thanks for trying. Yes I did. By crime definition and by ethnicity
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 13:00:44 GMT
No you did'nt. Not the numbers eg Denmatk and Sweden put up. Though thanks for trying. Yes I did. By crime definition and by ethnicity Nope. Not the same as ones in eg Denmark and Sweden.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 14:18:36 GMT
Yes I did. By crime definition and by ethnicity Nope. Not the same as ones in eg Denmark and Sweden. What was missing?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 15:35:54 GMT
Nope. Not the same as ones in eg Denmark and Sweden. What was missing? We've already done this one Oldie and i realise you're playing to the gallery here,but this time,I can't be bothered to join in.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 18:58:41 GMT
We've already done this one Oldie and i realise you're playing to the gallery here,but this time,I can't be bothered to join in. I am not playing anything It's a straightforward question. I made the effort to acquire the details in the public domain, you did nothing. You are doing nothing now, other than state an opinion with absolutely zero evidence.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 19:33:37 GMT
We've already done this one Oldie and i realise you're playing to the gallery here,but this time,I can't be bothered to join in. I am not playing anything It's a straightforward question. I made the effort to acquire the details in the public domain, you did nothing. You are doing nothing now, other than state an opinion with absolutely zero evidence. Haha and you answer every question. Maybe tomorrow Oldie,I'm a wee bit tired and relieved it's Friday.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 19:36:52 GMT
I am not playing anything It's a straightforward question. I made the effort to acquire the details in the public domain, you did nothing. You are doing nothing now, other than state an opinion with absolutely zero evidence. Haha and you answer every question. Maybe tomorrow Oldie,I'm a wee bit tired and relieved it's Friday. I rest my case. I am the only one who provided actual stats on this topic.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 19:48:53 GMT
Here are the crime stats from Germany regarding crime committed by "Non-Germans".... We don't have an equivalent table in the UK. Apparently we have stats (somewhere) showing us how many foreigners are victims of crime,but not perpetrators. Funny that,but it fits the right on woke agenda.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2024 19:55:49 GMT
Here are the crime stats from Germany regarding crime committed by "Non-Germans".... We don't have an equivalent table in the UK. Apparently we have stats (somewhere) showing us how many foreigners are victims of crime,but not perpetrators. Funny that,but it fits the right on woke agenda. That's not true. The stats I posted up were by ethnicity
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 19:57:47 GMT
We don't have an equivalent table in the UK. Apparently we have stats (somewhere) showing us how many foreigners are victims of crime,but not perpetrators. Funny that,but it fits the right on woke agenda. That's not true. The stats I posted up were by ethnicity I don't mean the victim stats are posted on our forum just that apparently they exist Somewhere. Muddled,not sure I'm following this.Tired.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 12, 2024 19:58:21 GMT
That's not true. The stats I posted up were by ethnicity I don't mean the victim stats are posted on our forum just that apparently they exist Somewhere. Muddled,not sure I'm following this.Tired. Where are your stats?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 22:31:36 GMT
Not read this thread , not got time. What’s the resident nutter Bas claiming ? 🙄
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