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Palestinians Nov 1, 2023 16:18:21 GMT

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Post by oldie on Nov 1, 2023 16:18:21 GMT

Nov 1, 2023 13:50:18 GMT rideintothesun said:

Nov 1, 2023 10:42:53 GMT oldie said:

"In my experience, even fully assimilated British Jews often have mannerisms or ways of speaking/thinking that give them away"

Wow, really

Such as? Please give us all an example?
I will be gobsmacked if you can produce a tenable example of how a "Jewish person thinks"

Assimilated?

To the best of my knowledge over 80% of declared Jews in the UK were born here. They are UK citizens.

Your words smack of an inherent prejudice.

I think your continual efforts to deny the self-evident, obvious and clearly demonstrated anti-Semitism of the Islamic world speak more obviously of an inherent prejudice, or at the very least an inability to objectively assess the facts that have been placed in front of you.

I dont deny any "self evident" "obvious" or "clearly demonstrated" evidence you have provided. The trouble is you have provided nothing of the sort other than your interpretations of what is in the general media. Thats hardly any of the above is it. Equally the "Islamic World" is such a broad stroke as to be meaningless. You ignore the cultural differences in every country that may have Islam as its primary religion. Take Malaysia as an example. Islam is the official religion of that country with 64% of the population declaring them selves as such. Counter to your prejudicial views on Islam, Malaysia also accommodates 19% being Buddhist, 9% being Christian, 6% being Hindus.

I use the term 'assimilated' to distinguish between Jews who are religious and who remain visibly Jewish (e.g. Hasidic Jews) and Jews who have sought to integrate into British society to the fullest extent - they most often do this by becoming secular and only being 'culturally Jewish' and celebrating Jewish holidays.

Hang on...the ability to assimilate is predicated upon one's choice of faith? To wear a certain style of clothing is an indication that a person has not assimilated?
How the hell does one "integrate" into British society to the fullest extent? How is that even measured? Perhaps by determining which cricket team you support?
Honestly you sound like that old dinosaur Norman Tebbitt.

However, in my experience even fully assimilated Jews often show some influence of their culture in mannerisms and ways of speaking that you would not ordinarily encounter. This is simply an observation that, on speaking to somebody who is not visibly Jewish, I have gradually realised that they are in fact Jewish, before they have explicitly told me this. This is not offensive or prejudiced in any way.

You what?
Please give us an example so we can stop laughing.
Definition of prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason

In buckets based upon that quoted statement from you.

For example, I can often tell by the attitude towards education. Jews, like other minorities, tend to place a greater value on education and are less hostile to those who seek to better themselves through education. They also tend to have a greater respect for professional qualifications than ordinary British people.

I do not who you are, where you are from or where you acquired your cultural influences. But now you are saying that you can determine whether someone is a Jew or not by their attitudes towards education? Really?? I dont know about you but I was raised in South Bristol within a white (uniformly white at that) family background. I can assure you that they, my family, placed a high value on education. I never met one family that didnt. There were those who did think that University education was not for the working classes, mainly predicated upon ignorance. Equally respect from professional qualifications was almost reverential. Instead of just saying it, provide examples.

At what point did I say that Jews are not UK citizens? I did not. You are entitled to criticise me for what I have said, but not for what you would like me to have said.

I should have been more direct. How does one "assimilate" into a society you were born into and where your family have been here for the longest time. Perhaps for a century or more. Are you suggesting that any citizen of the UK that doesnt fit into the perceived cultural norm of the pre 1950s is not fully assimilated?
Just for clarity.

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Palestinians Nov 1, 2023 17:16:48 GMT

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Post by rideintothesun on Nov 1, 2023 17:16:48 GMT

Nov 1, 2023 16:18:21 GMT oldie said: