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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
Ah, OK, so it's Lebanon that is making this claim. So it is an unsubstantiated rumour. Did you miss the bit where 12 Israeli kids were killed a few weeks ago while playing football? This was not a rumour, but a verified fact. For eleven months Hezbollah have been firing at Israeli civilians. Which is why I caveated my post with "if true" If it is true, then we can expect the violence to worsen...if that's possible It will worsen.....for Hezbollah. Apologies, but I keep saying this, but Hezbollah have been sending rockets etc into Israel every day for eleven months. Just what the hell do people expect Israel to do? Write a strongly worded letter, in a harsh font, to the UN? Unfortunately civilians will be killed, but there is one side that could stop it, but they won't because like Hamas the civilians are seen as PR fodder for their hatred towards Israel. It's Allah's Will. Every single day, for eleven months!!!! Where was the world-wide outrage and pressure to get Hezbollah to stop? Israel defend themselves and immediately the hand wringing starts from the usual suspects. Where was the outrage and demonstrations from the Labour supporters demanding a cease-fire by Hezbollah? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 11:35:20 GMT
Which is why I caveated my post with "if true" If it is true, then we can expect the violence to worsen...if that's possible All of which confirms that neither side is bothered about peace, only continued warfare for their own political reasons while the populace suffers. Sorry Terry, but I believe the Israelis would love peace and want to be left alone to continue living. Israel did not start the current conflict in Gaza. Hamas did. Israel did not start the current conflict in Lebanon. Hezbollah did. Israel has every right to defend itself against these murderous barbarians. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 11:43:58 GMT
All of which confirms that neither side is bothered about peace, only continued warfare for their own political reasons while the populace suffers. Sorry Terry, but I believe the Israelis would love peace and want to be left alone to continue living. Israel did not start the current conflict in Gaza. Hamas did. Israel did not start the current conflict in Lebanon. Hezbollah did. Israel has every right to defend itself against these murderous barbarians. Nobby, I agree the people of Israel do want peace. Just as I believe the people of Lebanon, Jordan and other surrounding countries do. Just as I believe the people of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and others do [well those that don't believe the propaganda!]. I do not believe that Netanyahu, the religious right parties that support him, nor the leaders of Hamas nor Hezbollah nor their Middle East backers want peace. It is not in their personal interests, even though their countries would all benefit from peace. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 12:02:58 GMT
Sorry Terry, but I believe the Israelis would love peace and want to be left alone to continue living. Israel did not start the current conflict in Gaza. Hamas did. Israel did not start the current conflict in Lebanon. Hezbollah did. Israel has every right to defend itself against these murderous barbarians. Nobby, I agree the people of Israel do want peace. Just as I believe the people of Lebanon, Jordan and other surrounding countries do. Just as I believe the people of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and others do [well those that don't believe the propaganda!]. I do not believe that Netanyahu, the religious right parties that support him, nor the leaders of Hamas nor Hezbollah nor their Middle East backers want peace. It is not in their personal interests, even though their countries would all benefit from peace. Netanyahu didn't start the conflict in Gaza nor in Lebanon but his country does demand that he defends them. As I have stated before the 1200 people murdered on Oct 7th equates to 10,000 people in the UK. Can you imagine what the people of the UK would demand from their government if we lost 10,000 to terrorists in a single day! |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 12:16:54 GMT
Nobby, I agree the people of Israel do want peace. Just as I believe the people of Lebanon, Jordan and other surrounding countries do. Just as I believe the people of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and others do [well those that don't believe the propaganda!]. I do not believe that Netanyahu, the religious right parties that support him, nor the leaders of Hamas nor Hezbollah nor their Middle East backers want peace. It is not in their personal interests, even though their countries would all benefit from peace. Netanyahu didn't start the conflict in Gaza nor in Lebanon but his country does demand that he defends them. As I have stated before the 1200 people murdered on Oct 7th equates to 10,000 people in the UK. Can you imagine what the people of the UK would demand from their government if we lost 10,000 to terrorists in a single day! Nobby you seem to have missed my replies on Israel's defending itself, which I support. As I have stated on a number of occasions. Hamas kicked the sleeping dog, knowing full well the consequences. Netanyahu is not Israel. He is being driven by the zealots of the right wing parties that support him in his pursuit to stay in power, who want the annihilation of the Palestinians. They are no different in that attitude to Hamas and Hezbollah, who as you say, continue their own attacks on Israel. Ordinary Israelis want to live in peace and safety. No one denies that. As I have also stated Israel's own army have indicated that his aims are not achievable and neither is the collateral damage of women and children's deaths acceptable. If the UK had had the same collateral damage statistics in Afghan, what would have been your thoughts? He has had opportunities to bring about a ceasefire, and would have had the advantage on his side, but neither he nor the opposing warring factions want an end until either is annihilated. It's just a vicious unending circle. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 12:29:05 GMT
"Netanyahu is not Israel." - He was democratically elected by the people.
"If the UK had had the same collateral damage statistics in Afghan, what would have been your thoughts? " - That was a totally different type of warfare and just cannot be compared.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 12:37:43 GMT
"Netanyahu is not Israel." - He was democratically elected by the people. I know he was Nobby, and few Arab nations are similar, but he is not representing them now in their best interests, in my opinion, when most want peace."If the UK had had the same collateral damage statistics in Afghan, what would have been your thoughts? " - That was a totally different type of warfare and just cannot be compared. That makes the huge number of deaths of women and children and destruction of entire towns OK then? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 12:52:21 GMT
"That makes the huge number of deaths of women and children and destruction of entire towns OK then?" - Of course not Terry, and I expect better of you.
By the way, what entire towns were destroyed by the British in Afghanistan? Are you aware of the Rules of Engagement (RoE's) that were in place for British troops to follow?
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 13:17:49 GMT
"That makes the huge number of deaths of women and children and destruction of entire towns OK then?" - Of course not Terry, and I expect better of you. By the way, what entire towns were destroyed by the British in Afghanistan? Are you aware of the Rules of Engagement (RoE's) that were in place for British troops to follow? Given the pressure Ben Wallace is under to explain the alteration to the bill that went through Parliament and the accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops that's a rabbit hole best avoided |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 13:29:09 GMT
"That makes the huge number of deaths of women and children and destruction of entire towns OK then?" - Of course not Terry, and I expect better of you. By the way, what entire towns were destroyed by the British in Afghanistan? Are you aware of the Rules of Engagement (RoE's) that were in place for British troops to follow? Given the pressure Ben Wallace is under to explain the alteration to the bill that went through Parliament and the accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops that's a rabbit hole best avoided No rabbit hole Oldie. Just what towns were destroyed by British troops in Afghanistan? Also, these are just "accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops". Remember what happened to the investigations started by Leigh Day and Phil Shiner in Iraq. Phil Shiner has subsequently been struck off ! |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 13:32:20 GMT
Given the pressure Ben Wallace is under to explain the alteration to the bill that went through Parliament and the accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops that's a rabbit hole best avoided No rabbit hole Oldie. Just what towns were destroyed by British troops in Afghanistan? Also, these are just "accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops". Remember what happened to the investigations started by Leigh Day and Phil Shiner in Iraq. Phil Shiner has subsequently been struck off ! That's why I don't think it's right to discuss things like this on forums |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 13:36:59 GMT
No rabbit hole Oldie. Just what towns were destroyed by British troops in Afghanistan? Also, these are just "accusations of unlawful killings in Afghanistan by UK troops". Remember what happened to the investigations started by Leigh Day and Phil Shiner in Iraq. Phil Shiner has subsequently been struck off ! That's why I don't think it's right to discuss things like this on forums Um....you were the one who brought it up! |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 13:41:32 GMT
That's why I don't think it's right to discuss things like this on forums Um....you were the one who brought it up! Death of children in Lebanon. By airstrikes. Nobody is accusing Israeli troops of summary execution in Lebanon (yet). Wager it has happened in GAZA |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 13:55:08 GMT
Um....you were the one who brought it up! Death of children in Lebanon. By airstrikes. Nobody is accusing Israeli troops of summary execution in Lebanon (yet). Wager it has happened in GAZA Christ! More unsubstantiated non-facts on the internet! Why do you keep on doing it? As for 'summary execution', we witnessed a lot of that on Oct 7th! That is a fact. But it wasn't committed by the Israelis was it. You never seem to mention these things. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 13:57:36 GMT
Death of children in Lebanon. By airstrikes. Nobody is accusing Israeli troops of summary execution in Lebanon (yet). Wager it has happened in GAZA Christ! More unsubstantiated non-facts on the internet! Why do you keep on doing it? Oh do shut up. I only posting what was widely reported about Lebanon and I did caveat it. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 14:03:41 GMT
Christ! More unsubstantiated non-facts on the internet! Why do you keep on doing it? Oh do shut up. I only posting what was widely reported about Lebanon and I did caveat it. Why should I shut up! You are posting accusations without any verifiable proof. Pure speculation and downright wrong. You then start speculating again about the deaths of children in Lebanon without even recognizing the known facts with the deaths of Israeli children on Oct 7th! I will continue to discredit your lies and false information. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 19:36:16 GMT
Oh do shut up. I only posting what was widely reported about Lebanon and I did caveat it. Why should I shut up! You are posting accusations without any verifiable proof. Pure speculation and downright wrong. You then start speculating again about the deaths of children in Lebanon without even recognizing the known facts with the deaths of Israeli children on Oct 7th! I will continue to discredit your lies and false information. Please do. But could you confirm, in regards to Lebanon, I made the caveat "if true" Thanks |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 20:56:49 GMT
Your post...
"Death of children in Lebanon. By airstrikes.
Nobody is accusing Israeli troops of summary execution in Lebanon (yet). Wager it has happened in GAZA"
Pure speculation without any proof. However, we do have proof that men, women and children were executed on Oct 7th. You never make any reference to that. Why? You seem to have a one eyed view on things.
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Post by oldie on Sept 26, 2024 8:42:32 GMT
Your post... "Death of children in Lebanon. By airstrikes. Nobody is accusing Israeli troops of summary execution in Lebanon (yet). Wager it has happened in GAZA" Pure speculation without any proof. However, we do have proof that men, women and children were executed on Oct 7th. You never make any reference to that. Why? You seem to have a one eyed view on things. Yep, we all know of barbarism of HAMAS and other militant loonies in October 2023. This morning/last night there were a further 70+ people killed in Lebanon, to add to the 500 plus on Monday, including women and children. As reported. In GAZA over 40,000 have been killed, including women and children. As reported. Allegedly over 1.5 million civilians in GAZA have been displaced and are effectively refugees within their own State. A proportionate response or a mirror image of barbarism? Each to their own on that question. Meanwhile Israeli troops are conducting raids in the West Bank and rounding up people. Great, that will calm it down. God help the world if Trump wins in November what with this disaster, Ukraine, China becoming unstable with it's Real Estate market in meltdown. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 26, 2024 9:24:33 GMT
"This morning/last night there were a further 70+ people killed in Lebanon, to add to the 500 plus on Monday, including women and children. As reported." - It wouldn't be happening if Hezbollah had not been bombing Israel every day for eleven months.
"In GAZA over 40,000 have been killed, including women and children. As reported.
Allegedly over 1.5 million civilians in GAZA have been displaced and are effectively refugees within their own State." - It wouldn't be happening if Hamas had not murdered and butchered over 1200 people on Oct 7th and then refused to hand back the 250 hostages they took.
"Meanwhile Israeli troops are conducting raids in the West Bank and rounding up people." - Do you expect Israel to sit back and do nothing while these murderers plan more atrocities?
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