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Post by alftupper on Sept 20, 2024 10:50:59 GMT
If Iran have got far more things to worry about, ( such as all the points that you`ve highlighted ) why don`t they spend their time sorting it out, and leave Israel be? This is the very point you miss Alf. If you asked the general public of Iran they would not be so concerned about Israel itself. However, like some of us in the UK, they might well be concerned by the plight of the Palestinians. I`m concerned about the plight of the Palestinians. I feel sorry for anyone who hasn`t had a happy, secure life like me. That includes the Israelis who have lived cheek by jowl with neighbours, whose avowed intention is to wipe them from the face of the earth, from the very first moment of their country`s foundation. Until that changes, the wheels on the bus will continue to go round. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 11:21:05 GMT
This is the very point you miss Alf. If you asked the general public of Iran they would not be so concerned about Israel itself. However, like some of us in the UK, they might well be concerned by the plight of the Palestinians. But that is a normal human reaction. No, the portrayal of the Iranian people in the western media is actually a portrayal of the fruit cakes in their enforced government. Not the people themselves Shall I give you some numbers? Before the Shah was desposed(the one we imposed upon them in 1952) over a 72 hour period his troops slaughtered upto 10,000 people in Tehran to try and suppress the uprising. After Khomeini came to power he killed upto 50,000 people who were deemed a threat to a Theocratic state. I personally know many Iranians who believe that Khomeini was allowed to get away with it because the "West" preferred an Islamic State to one of a left leaning "friendly to Russia" state. Emmmm So, are the people of Iran just going to accept that they have to keep living under a succession of autocratic regimes, because of a decision that was made nearly three quarters of a century ago? If the Shah`s regime was so awful, why replace it with something ( in my opinion ) worse? Swap Savak for the morality police. You don`t paint a particularly inspiring picture of the Iranian people. The "West" preferred Iran`s monarch to it`s Prime Minister, so they went along with that. Then, because the "West" prefers a fundamental Islamic State to a left leaning one, they go along with that too. Possibly time for the ordinary Iranian people to put what the "West" prefers to one side, and come up with a system of government that`s more acceptable to the majority of them? For the reasons it doesn't happen in places like China and Russia. And remember 60,000 died trying. How many hundreds have been killed in the last decade for protesting against the current regime. It's very easy sit here in a relatively free country where the chances of being shot for protesting are as close to zero as it gets. (Although under Tory led legislation you can be arrested for making too much noise). If you were the father of teenagers in Tehran would you encourage them to go out on the street and risk a bullet from the government thugs? I think probably not. But my point is, has been for a long time, if we hadn't done what we did, perhaps none of this would have happened. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 11:29:35 GMT
This is the very point you miss Alf. If you asked the general public of Iran they would not be so concerned about Israel itself. However, like some of us in the UK, they might well be concerned by the plight of the Palestinians. I`m concerned about the plight of the Palestinians. I feel sorry for anyone who hasn`t had a happy, secure life like me. That includes the Israelis who have lived cheek by jowl with neighbours, whose avowed intention is to wipe them from the face of the earth, from the very first moment of their country`s foundation. Until that changes, the wheels on the bus will continue to go round. I don't doubt your concern for one second. But if we want resolution we have to address the root cause for all this. The Nakba of 1948. Perhaps, maybe, just recognising it would be a start. The Israelis have no, none, divine right to land which displaces and impoverished a whole group of people. But that was done and the "Real Politics" tells us we need to accept what happened and make good. The Arab States themselves need to step up to the plate on this one, doesn't it sicken you when you witness children starving, dying, being killed whilst Arab dictators, supported by the west, filch oil money and buy Premier League football clubs? Maybe they think it is God's will, in which case I would say "f*ck god" |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 20, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
And while everyone talks about the why's and wherefore's more Missile strikes are being reported hitting targets in Israel coming from Lebanon,i
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 11:44:33 GMT
And while everyone talks about the why's and wherefore's more Missile strikes are being reported hitting targets in Israel coming from Lebanon,i Any children killed today in Gaza or Lebanon? Just for balance in an insane world |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 11:54:52 GMT
And while everyone talks about the why's and wherefore's more Missile strikes are being reported hitting targets in Israel coming from Lebanon,i Any children killed today in Gaza or Lebanon? Just for balance in an insane world Just for balance, any children killed in Israel today? You seem to forget it's a two way thing, but if one side, the Arabs, were to stop, so would Israel. It really is quite a simple way to stop these deaths. |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 20, 2024 12:24:10 GMT
And while everyone talks about the why's and wherefore's more Missile strikes are being reported hitting targets in Israel coming from Lebanon,i Any children killed today in Gaza or Lebanon? Just for balance in an insane world I am not siding with anyone on this, just putting down what had just read .....ever revolving circle end of |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 20, 2024 12:24:52 GMT
I read that the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon lost an eye when his pager blew. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2024 15:00:45 GMT
I read that the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon lost an eye when his pager blew. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Not all Iranians are war mongers. But I suppose for some collateral damage isn't an issue. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 20, 2024 18:43:06 GMT
I read that the Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon lost an eye when his pager blew. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Not all Iranians are war mongers. But I suppose for some collateral damage isn't an issue. I find it hard to celebrate violence. Some however, clearly do not. |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 23, 2024 8:17:01 GMT
Israel tells people in Lebanon to move from Hezbollah targets as 'extensive' strikes begin..by Johanna Chisholm with Hugo Bachega reporting from Beirutichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/80fd/live/b71ffa10-7977-11ef-8c1a-df523ba43a9a.jpgThe Israeli military says it is conducting extensive airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon as cross-border attacks between the two sides continue to ratchet up Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari has warned Lebanese civilians to move away from areas used by the Iran-backed group for military purposes At the weekend, Hezbollah struck deep inside Israel, reaching targets in the city of Haifa On Sunday, its deputy leader said it was now in an open-ended battle of reckoning with Israel It comes as President Joe Biden has said the US will do everything in its power to prevent an escalation of the conflict
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 23, 2024 14:03:43 GMT
Lebanon says 182 killed in deadliest day of Israel-Hezbollah conflict in past year..by Johanna Chisholm and Emily McGarveyichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/1471/live/6fd59cd0-79b0-11ef-b282-4535eb84fe4b.jpgLebanon's health ministry says at least 182 people have been killed and more than 700 wounded in Israeli strikes today - the deadliest day of Israel-Hezbollah conflict in the past year Israel says it is "broadening" its strikes against Hezbollah as citizens in southern Lebanon have received phone messages warning them to leave places used by the Iran-backed group Lebanon's prime minister says Israel's actions amount to "a war of extermination", while Israel's defence minister says strikes will continue "until we achieve our goals - to return the residents of the north safely to their homes" Fears of an all-out regional conflict in the Middle East have grown in the past week - cross-border attacks have ratcheted up after a series of exploding device attacks on Hezbollah members which were widely blamed on Israel
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 24, 2024 17:46:54 GMT
Lebanon says 182 killed in deadliest day of Israel-Hezbollah conflict in past year..by Johanna Chisholm and Emily McGarveyichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/1471/live/6fd59cd0-79b0-11ef-b282-4535eb84fe4b.jpgLebanon's health ministry says at least 182 people have been killed and more than 700 wounded in Israeli strikes today - the deadliest day of Israel-Hezbollah conflict in the past year Israel says it is "broadening" its strikes against Hezbollah as citizens in southern Lebanon have received phone messages warning them to leave places used by the Iran-backed group Lebanon's prime minister says Israel's actions amount to "a war of extermination", while Israel's defence minister says strikes will continue "until we achieve our goals - to return the residents of the north safely to their homes" Fears of an all-out regional conflict in the Middle East have grown in the past week - cross-border attacks have ratcheted up after a series of exploding device attacks on Hezbollah members which were widely blamed on Israel Claiming today Israel are targeting babies , fire engines & ambulances 😂😂😂, no mention of pagers though 😂😂, you got to say what a superb job Israel are doing 👍 |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 25, 2024 5:41:49 GMT
Lebanese hospitals struggling after minister warns of 'carnage' from Israeli strikes..by Tessa Wong, with Hugo Bachega reporting from Beirutichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/a841/live/c7cac4e0-7aa2-11ef-b02d-c5f3b724a1ea.jpgHospitals are struggling to cope with the number of casualties following days of Israeli strikes, Lebanon's health minister tells the BBC Dr Firas Abiad says Monday - the deadliest day in Lebanon since the end of the civil war in 1990 - was "carnage" More than 560 people, including 50 children, have been killed in the Israeli strikes, the health ministry says In a direct address to Lebanese civilians, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says: "Our war is not with you, our war is with Hezbollah" Earlier, Israel said it had killed a Hezbollah commander in a strike in Beirut - Lebanon says six people were killed and 15 injured Israel says it aims to remove the threat from Hezbollah and return displaced residents to northern Israel; Hezbollah says it is resisting Israeli "aggression" and acting in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 5:52:15 GMT
Israel achieves it's objective.
50 children killed (if it's true)
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 10:05:07 GMT
Israel achieves it's objective. 50 children killed (if it's true) Link? or unsubstantiated rumours? Or a figment of your imagination? Do you think that Hezbollah, by lobbing missiles/bombs/drones into Israeli civilian areas for the last eleven months, just may have contributed to what is happening now in Lebanon? Where was the public outcry for Hezbollah to stop? Where was the public outcry to stop/ban Iran from supplying them with weaponry? You reap what you sow. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 11:10:14 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 25, 2024 11:19:58 GMT
Ah, OK, so it's Lebanon that is making this claim. So it is an unsubstantiated rumour. Did you miss the bit where 12 Israeli kids were killed a few weeks ago while playing football? This was not a rumour, but a verified fact. For eleven months Hezbollah have been firing at Israeli civilians. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 25, 2024 11:22:11 GMT
Ah, OK, so it's Lebanon that is making this claim. So it is an unsubstantiated rumour. Did you miss the bit where 12 Israeli kids were killed a few weeks ago while playing football? This was not a rumour, but a verified fact. For eleven months Hezbollah have been firing at Israeli civilians. Which is why I caveated my post with "if true" If it is true, then we can expect the violence to worsen...if that's possible |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 25, 2024 11:24:53 GMT
Ah, OK, so it's Lebanon that is making this claim. So it is an unsubstantiated rumour. Did you miss the bit where 12 Israeli kids were killed a few weeks ago while playing football? This was not a rumour, but a verified fact. For eleven months Hezbollah have been firing at Israeli civilians. Which is why I caveated my post with "if true" If it is true, then we can expect the violence to worsen...if that's possible All of which confirms that neither side is bothered about peace, only continued warfare for their own political reasons while the populace suffers. |
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