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Post by lostinspace on Dec 20, 2023 9:36:20 GMT
Trump has been disqualified from running for president in the state of Colorado for his part in the insurrections 3 years ago... obviously he will appeal, could be interesting here on in...
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Post by trymer on Dec 20, 2023 9:54:52 GMT
Trump has been disqualified from running for president in the state of Colorado for his part in the insurrections 3 years ago... obviously he will appeal, could be interesting here on in... Watch his approval rating go up today as a result of that decision in Colorado, last night they were saying that Biden's approval rating is the lowest that its ever been, as you say its going to be interesting.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 20, 2023 12:21:05 GMT
Trump has been disqualified from running for president in the state of Colorado for his part in the insurrections 3 years ago... obviously he will appeal, could be interesting here on in... Watch his approval rating go up today as a result of that decision in Colorado, last night they were saying that Biden's approval rating is the lowest that its ever been, as you say its going to be interesting. It's another nonsense charge. Trumps second impeachment charge was "incitement of insurrection", and he was found Not Guilty. No other insurrection charges have been filed, so how can this obscure court find him guilty? The 14th Amendment talks of "insurrection" as a reason to bar someone from office, but first that person has to be found guilty, and Trump was found Not Guilty. This will be thrown out at the Federal level, but it generates headlines. The Democrats have still to realize that these nonsense charges just make Trump stronger. Won't they ever learn? This Colorado court only decided on a 4-3 vote. Not exactly right and the seven judges obviously had differing views so it doesn't appear to be a sound legal judgement does it !
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Post by oldie on Dec 20, 2023 12:53:35 GMT
"In December, the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 recommended that the Justice Department charge Mr. Trump with several federal crimes, including inciting insurrection — a count that would have directly placed the blame for the attack on Mr. Trump’s shoulders"
"In one scene described in the indictment, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump warned the lawyer John Eastman just days before the Capitol was attacked that his plan to have Mr. Trump strong-arm Mr. Pence was “going to cause riots in the streets.”
According to the indictment, Mr. Eastman “responded that there had previously been points in the nation’s history where violence was necessary to protect the republic.”
If looks like fascism, smells like fascism, then it probably is.
The only saving grace for Trump is that he, like the majority of his supporters, is to stupid to be a real fascist.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 20, 2023 15:02:29 GMT
"In December, the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 recommended that the Justice Department charge Mr. Trump with several federal crimes, including inciting insurrection — a count that would have directly placed the blame for the attack on Mr. Trump’s shoulders" "In one scene described in the indictment, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump warned the lawyer John Eastman just days before the Capitol was attacked that his plan to have Mr. Trump strong-arm Mr. Pence was “going to cause riots in the streets.” According to the indictment, Mr. Eastman “responded that there had previously been points in the nation’s history where violence was necessary to protect the republic.” If looks like fascism, smells like fascism, then it probably is. The only saving grace for Trump is that he, like the majority of his supporters, is to stupid to be a real fascist. But he was found Not Guilty of that charge, like it or not. And to be perfectly honest it was not an 'insurrection' was it, more like a mini riot. The use of the term "insurrection" is just over dramatizing the actual events. Do you really think a couple of hundred people rioting around the Capitol was an attempt to overthrow the government of the USA? Get real. Your use of the word 'fascism' is just totally wrong.
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Post by oldie on Dec 20, 2023 18:09:05 GMT
"In December, the House select committee investigating Jan. 6 recommended that the Justice Department charge Mr. Trump with several federal crimes, including inciting insurrection — a count that would have directly placed the blame for the attack on Mr. Trump’s shoulders" "In one scene described in the indictment, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump warned the lawyer John Eastman just days before the Capitol was attacked that his plan to have Mr. Trump strong-arm Mr. Pence was “going to cause riots in the streets.” According to the indictment, Mr. Eastman “responded that there had previously been points in the nation’s history where violence was necessary to protect the republic.” If looks like fascism, smells like fascism, then it probably is. The only saving grace for Trump is that he, like the majority of his supporters, is to stupid to be a real fascist. But he was found Not Guilty of that charge, like it or not. And to be perfectly honest it was not an 'insurrection' was it, more like a mini riot. The use of the term "insurrection" is just over dramatizing the actual events. Do you really think a couple of hundred people rioting around the Capitol was an attempt to overthrow the government of the USA? Get real. Your use of the word 'fascism' is just totally wrong. He cannot have been found "not guilty" because the courts have not tried him yet on that charge. In fact Jack Smith has yet to formally lodge charges on that count. You are referring to the Impeachment brought against the bloke which of course is subject partisan politics, rather than a trial by an independent judiciary. As for your wave of the hand at an even where five people lost their lives and 1,200 have been charged...well that says a lot about your political instincts, clearly you are very comfortable with a breakdown of law and order when spurred on by a pretend fascist like Trump.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 20, 2023 20:33:10 GMT
But he was found Not Guilty of that charge, like it or not. And to be perfectly honest it was not an 'insurrection' was it, more like a mini riot. The use of the term "insurrection" is just over dramatizing the actual events. Do you really think a couple of hundred people rioting around the Capitol was an attempt to overthrow the government of the USA? Get real. Your use of the word 'fascism' is just totally wrong. He cannot have been found "not guilty" because the courts have not tried him yet on that charge. In fact Jack Smith has yet to formally lodge charges on that count. You are referring to the Impeachment brought against the bloke which of course is subject partisan politics, rather than a trial by an independent judiciary. As for your wave of the hand at an even where five people lost their lives and 1,200 have been charged...well that says a lot about your political instincts, clearly you are very comfortable with a breakdown of law and order when spurred on by a pretend fascist like Trump. Why do you do this? Of course I am not happy with violence. Why do you even attempt to throw s**t like that around? All I am saying is that it was more of a riot and not an 'insurrection', surely even you can see that! I have been on UN humanitarian missions around the world, saving lives. You, on the other hand, supported and applauded the rioters in Bristol who attacked Bridwell Police Station. Ah, so the impeachments were purely political in your view, and of course you are correct in that, but these obscure court proceedings are part of an 'independent judiciary'? What planet do you live on if you think the US Judiciary are independent? Why have these charges been brought up in an obscure court? Surely for a matter so serious they should have been made at the Federal level......or is it because he was found Not Guilty of insurrection at the Federal level already eh. I am no Trump supporter but surely even with your blinkers on you can see that the Democrats are just shooting themselves in the foot with these stupid court cases.
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Post by oldie on Dec 21, 2023 8:06:05 GMT
We sued to keep Trump off the Colorado ballot. Here’s what our critics get wrong. As the public record proves without a doubt, this was a carefully considered and thoroughly supported constitutional decision.The Constitution bars Donald Trump from serving as president again. Our organization, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, has been confident of that fact since Jan. 6. And the brave plaintiffs on whose behalf we brought the Colorado lawsuit agree. But with Tuesday’s ruling, we now have strong legal precedent confirming that belief.
The Colorado Supreme Court just confirmed that Trump is disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment. Colorado’s highest court did not come to this decision on a whim.
Colorado’s highest court did not come to this decision on a whim.
This week's conclusion followed a trial court proceeding that included days of testimony and mountains of evidence. Hundreds of years of federal and state law was analyzed. Thousands of pages of evidence and hours of video were sifted through. Both the plaintiffs and the former president were ably represented, and the relevant legal principles were briefed and argued in great detail.
America will hear, and in fact is already starting to hear, right-wing pundits and politicians argue this was a politically biased proceeding. In fact, as the public record proves without a doubt, this was a carefully considered and thoroughly supported constitutional decision.
It was, despite what critics are now claiming, also the right decision. Alan Dershowitz argued on Newsmax on Wednesday that this ruling is "anti-democratic." Republican presidential candidates like Nikki Haley and Chris Christie are opining that the people should be allowed to vote for their chosen candidates, rather than have judges determine who is qualified.
But without a clear decision on this constitutional issue, millions of Americans could see their votes wasted on a candidate who is not constitutionally allowed to serve. More to the point, with the 2020 election, the people did, in fact, have the chance to decide whether they wanted Donald Trump to be president, and they chose not to elect him. He refused to accept that result and incited an insurrection. Assuming today that voting alone will somehow prevent a recurrence of those events, or something worse, is foolhardy. Luckily, the Constitution built in safeguards for just such a scenario.
The Constitution sets out the rules for our democracy, and few would argue that people should be allowed to vote for a 23-year-old for president, even if that person was their chosen candidate.
This particular rule, the 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause, is even more important to democracy because it was put in place specifically to secure our republican form of government from those who threaten it. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, adopted in the wake of the Civil War, makes it clear that anyone who swears an oath to support the Constitution and then engages in insurrection against that same Constitution is disqualified from state or federal office. It was meant to ensure that those who attacked our democracy not then be put back in charge of it. Courts in the 1860s applied it to officials who aided the Confederacy, and a court in New Mexico last year, in a case brought by plaintiffs represented by CREW, removed a county commissioner using that same provision because of his role recruiting for and inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.
If we don’t enforce the rule, this crucial protection for our democracy — and our system of constitutional democracy itself — will start to fade away. And in many ways, popular leaders, especially popular presidential candidates, offer a vital test of the disqualification clause's efficacy. An unpopular candidate or someone in a minor office is unlikely to be able to do significant damage to the republic, whereas an insurrectionist with a realistic shot of election to the presidency is a true threat.
This is not the partisan political work of the Democratic Party, “a left-wing group’s scheme to interfere in an election on behalf of Crooked Joe Biden,” as Donald Trump’s campaign spokesperson alleged. In September, six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters filed suit in Denver to keep Trump off the state’s ballot. They included Norma Anderson, the former Republican majority leader of the Colorado Senate and House; Krista Kafer, a conservative columnist for The Denver Post; and Claudine Schneider, a former Republican U.S. representative. They were represented by a team of powerhouse bipartisan Colorado lawyers.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 21, 2023 10:20:37 GMT
We sued to keep Trump off the Colorado ballot. Here’s what our critics get wrong. As the public record proves without a doubt, this was a carefully considered and thoroughly supported constitutional decision.The Constitution bars Donald Trump from serving as president again. Our organization, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, has been confident of that fact since Jan. 6. And the brave plaintiffs on whose behalf we brought the Colorado lawsuit agree. But with Tuesday’s ruling, we now have strong legal precedent confirming that belief. The Colorado Supreme Court just confirmed that Trump is disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment. Colorado’s highest court did not come to this decision on a whim. Colorado’s highest court did not come to this decision on a whim. This week's conclusion followed a trial court proceeding that included days of testimony and mountains of evidence. Hundreds of years of federal and state law was analyzed. Thousands of pages of evidence and hours of video were sifted through. Both the plaintiffs and the former president were ably represented, and the relevant legal principles were briefed and argued in great detail. America will hear, and in fact is already starting to hear, right-wing pundits and politicians argue this was a politically biased proceeding. In fact, as the public record proves without a doubt, this was a carefully considered and thoroughly supported constitutional decision. It was, despite what critics are now claiming, also the right decision. Alan Dershowitz argued on Newsmax on Wednesday that this ruling is "anti-democratic." Republican presidential candidates like Nikki Haley and Chris Christie are opining that the people should be allowed to vote for their chosen candidates, rather than have judges determine who is qualified. But without a clear decision on this constitutional issue, millions of Americans could see their votes wasted on a candidate who is not constitutionally allowed to serve. More to the point, with the 2020 election, the people did, in fact, have the chance to decide whether they wanted Donald Trump to be president, and they chose not to elect him. He refused to accept that result and incited an insurrection. Assuming today that voting alone will somehow prevent a recurrence of those events, or something worse, is foolhardy. Luckily, the Constitution built in safeguards for just such a scenario. The Constitution sets out the rules for our democracy, and few would argue that people should be allowed to vote for a 23-year-old for president, even if that person was their chosen candidate. This particular rule, the 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause, is even more important to democracy because it was put in place specifically to secure our republican form of government from those who threaten it. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, adopted in the wake of the Civil War, makes it clear that anyone who swears an oath to support the Constitution and then engages in insurrection against that same Constitution is disqualified from state or federal office. It was meant to ensure that those who attacked our democracy not then be put back in charge of it. Courts in the 1860s applied it to officials who aided the Confederacy, and a court in New Mexico last year, in a case brought by plaintiffs represented by CREW, removed a county commissioner using that same provision because of his role recruiting for and inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. If we don’t enforce the rule, this crucial protection for our democracy — and our system of constitutional democracy itself — will start to fade away. And in many ways, popular leaders, especially popular presidential candidates, offer a vital test of the disqualification clause's efficacy. An unpopular candidate or someone in a minor office is unlikely to be able to do significant damage to the republic, whereas an insurrectionist with a realistic shot of election to the presidency is a true threat. This is not the partisan political work of the Democratic Party, “a left-wing group’s scheme to interfere in an election on behalf of Crooked Joe Biden,” as Donald Trump’s campaign spokesperson alleged. In September, six Republican and unaffiliated Colorado voters filed suit in Denver to keep Trump off the state’s ballot. They included Norma Anderson, the former Republican majority leader of the Colorado Senate and House; Krista Kafer, a conservative columnist for The Denver Post; and Claudine Schneider, a former Republican U.S. representative. They were represented by a team of powerhouse bipartisan Colorado lawyers. Oldie.. correct me if I am wrong, but apparently of those who presided on this judgement we're not 3 of the 9? placed on that " committee"( or whatever it's called) placed there by Trump himself ...not sure if they were for or against DT . curious that's all,as you seemingly have a clearer insight on the "American Way" than I
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 21, 2023 10:47:58 GMT
The judgement was passed on a 4-3 split vote. That doesn't appear to be a clear legal decision does it !
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 21, 2023 11:38:24 GMT
The judgement was passed on a 4-3 split vote. That doesn't appear to be a clear legal decision does it ! I see, not that clear cut, so hardly a damming " off to hell" scenario...
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Post by oldie on Dec 21, 2023 16:00:24 GMT
The judgement was passed on a 4-3 split vote. That doesn't appear to be a clear legal decision does it ! I see, not that clear cut, so hardly a damming " off to hell" scenario... It was a decision of the court.A court adjudicating within the constitution and applying the constitution. The picture here is clear if you open your eyes. First the press and media is attacked, then the democratic process is attacked and then the judiciary is attacked. Fascists almost always take this route. Sunak's new best mate in Italy is trying the same thing and is now trying to alter the Italian constitution itself. All in an attempt to gain or hold on to power. Only the blind or those that have sympathy for what is going on refuse to acknowledge this.
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Post by oldie on Dec 21, 2023 18:18:04 GMT
Just to add. I do wonder why British patriots don't see it
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 22, 2023 9:35:16 GMT
I see, not that clear cut, so hardly a damming " off to hell" scenario... It was a decision of the court.A court adjudicating within the constitution and applying the constitution. The picture here is clear if you open your eyes. First the press and media is attacked, then the democratic process is attacked and then the judiciary is attacked. Fascists almost always take this route. Sunak's new best mate in Italy is trying the same thing and is now trying to alter the Italian constitution itself. All in an attempt to gain or hold on to power. Only the blind or those that have sympathy for what is going on refuse to acknowledge this. Only the blind refuse to acknowledge these charges are purely political, and in fact those that support these charges are only helping Trump get re-elected.
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Post by oldie on Dec 22, 2023 11:45:55 GMT
It was a decision of the court.A court adjudicating within the constitution and applying the constitution. The picture here is clear if you open your eyes. First the press and media is attacked, then the democratic process is attacked and then the judiciary is attacked. Fascists almost always take this route. Sunak's new best mate in Italy is trying the same thing and is now trying to alter the Italian constitution itself. All in an attempt to gain or hold on to power. Only the blind or those that have sympathy for what is going on refuse to acknowledge this. Only the blind refuse to acknowledge these charges are purely political, and in fact those that support these charges are only helping Trump get re-elected. So speaks a mouthpiece for anything but the truth.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 22, 2023 16:54:02 GMT
Only the blind refuse to acknowledge these charges are purely political, and in fact those that support these charges are only helping Trump get re-elected. So speaks a mouthpiece for anything but the truth. You are such a nice man.
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Post by oldie on Dec 22, 2023 17:54:59 GMT
I wish you no ill will. But I am not going to sit here read untruths spread on social media. In the meantime I wish you good health in 2024 and trust that the move back from Germany is working well for you. I am flying out tomorrow to Washington State, staying with youngest son and family in Issaquah, just east of Seattle.
Merry Christmas Nobby and all the very best for 2024.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 22, 2023 18:46:08 GMT
I wish you no ill will. But I am not going to sit here read untruths spread on social media. In the meantime I wish you good health in 2024 and trust that the move back from Germany is working well for you. I am flying out tomorrow to Washington State, staying with youngest son and family in Issaquah, just east of Seattle. Merry Christmas Nobby and all the very best for 2024. Will that make you eligible for a proxy vote for DT ? 🤭🌲🌲
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Post by oldie on Dec 22, 2023 19:26:20 GMT
I wish you no ill will. But I am not going to sit here read untruths spread on social media. In the meantime I wish you good health in 2024 and trust that the move back from Germany is working well for you. I am flying out tomorrow to Washington State, staying with youngest son and family in Issaquah, just east of Seattle. Merry Christmas Nobby and all the very best for 2024. Will that make you eligible for a proxy vote for DT ? 🤭🌲🌲 No idea what you are talking about
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 29, 2023 9:52:58 GMT
The State of Maine,( Democratic led) has become the second US state to bar Donald Trump from being a candidate for the election for 2024 Presidency
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