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Post by bluetornados on Feb 5, 2023 11:14:22 GMT
Just got back... Their number 12....I thought m o m. And their number 42.... amazing continuing to play with a broken leg!!! I mean, you don't see that sort of bravery every day? An athlete, a true wizard of fitness... So...onto the next match. "I'm just glad we've got 37 points" someone said to me. Hmmmmmm teams have been relegated on more! Don't press panic just yet, but... Their number 12 is Jonathan Leko, born in DR Congo and has played for England at U16, 17, 18, 19 & 20 levels for a total of 41 games. Their number 42 is Paris Maghoma, born in England but is also of DR Congo decent and like Leko has played at all the above levels too.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 5, 2023 11:18:48 GMT
Just got back... Their number 12....I thought m o m. And their number 42.... amazing continuing to play with a broken leg!!! I mean, you don't see that sort of bravery every day? An athlete, a true wizard of fitness... So...onto the next match. "I'm just glad we've got 37 points" someone said to me. Hmmmmmm teams have been relegated on more! Don't press panic just yet, but... Their number 12 is Jonathan Leko, born in DR Congo and has played for England at U16, 17, 18, 19 & 20 levels for a total of 41 games. Their number 42 is Paris Maghoma, born in England but is also of DR Congo decent and like Leko has played at all the above levels too. It's a shame...42 on East Side was soooooooooo bad acting that's mostly what he'll be remembered for! But....he played a sumptuous through ball bisecting our so called defence (in other words, past Quansah!) so has a decent pass in him. Collins took another half dive too later on. It's a disgrace the play acting we see.
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 5, 2023 11:35:17 GMT
Bristol Rovers verdict: Barton needs to break cycle after nightmare start and predictable finish..
After poor performances and results, the response is everything in football but for Bristol Rovers, their hopes of bouncing back accordingly seven days' on from the drubbing at Morecambe took less than two minutes to be dented.
MK Dons claimed a 2-0 win at the Mem on Saturday in a game bookended by goals for the visitors. The Mem was vibrant and doing its bit to draw a response from Joey Barton's players, but it took little more than 90 seconds for the mood to change.
Mo Eisa won and scored a chap penalty to put the Gas on the back foot again and for all their efforts to battle back, patiently trying to craft attacks, they finished with nothing to show for it as Max Dean clinched the victory in the final minute of the 90.
Adversity like that early goal has so often been overcome by the Gas, but at this point, they are not the force we know they can be. Confidence has been affected, crucial players are out injured and things aren't flowing the way they typically do.
The Gas have fallen to 13th in League One as a result, leaving Barton with plenty to consider.
A nightmare start and a predictable finish Barton's post-match press conference began with a facetious question whether any of the assembled journos had flattened a cat en route to the Mem on Saturday, with the Gas out of form and lacking the rub of the green in recent weeks.
After a shocking scoreline like the drubbing at Morecambe, what matters most is the response. After a week of planning, preparing and grafting at The Quarters, though, that hard work went out the window with the early concession of a penalty by Jarell Quansah.
The Liverpool loanee again was impressive for long periods in his second appearance in blue and white, but he showed a touch of naivety to snap at a loose ball in the area after only about 90 seconds and Eisa gleefully took the contact before stepping up and converting from 12 yards.
Against a team near the bottom end of the table that has been galvanised by a new manager, the optimal situation is to not give them anything to hold onto, but MK held onto it very well. They were rigid in their shape and had willing runners on the counter-attack to keep the Gas defence honest.
But by and large, Rovers had the game under control despite trailing. The challenge for them was to break down a deep-set defence amid an understandable shortage of confidence after a pair of poor defeats.
For all their possession, the afternoon was trending one way for Rovers. They never quite had the guile nor the battering ram to force an equaliser. The likelier scenario was a breakaway goal for an MK team that had offered very little in the second period, and it played out that way. Eisa was the pantomime villain for his Bristol City connections as well as baiting the crowd after opening the scoring, but he kept a cool head in the 90th minute to draw in the last defender and square the ball for Dean to wrap up the victory.
It feels like Rovers are caught in a cycle. They keep giving away the first goal and that means games are being played on their opponents' terms. No matter how good the attack is, it is not feasible to win games often from that position.
A team-wide malaise The defensive side of the team, rightly, has taken a fair bit of stick in recent weeks and months; the Gas have shipped too many goals (52 in 29 games) and it has placed a huge strain on the match-winners at the other end of the pitch to do the heavy lifting.
But this is now a malaise that has set in across the pitch; the defence is still conceding too freely, experienced midfielders Paul Coutts and Sam Finley have hit a dip in form and now the attack has been faced with roadblocks. Rovers have not scored a meaningful goal in the past three games, with only Aaron Collins' consolation in the 5-1 defeat at Morecambe last week to show for 270 minutes of effort.
Collins continues to pose a he delivered a trio of good crosses in this game which were pretty much the best moments the Gas were able to muster, but a lack of fluidity across the pitch has led to the top scorer getting few chances to threaten in dangerous areas.
Josh Coburn, meanwhile, had perhaps his toughest game in a Rovers shirt so far. A combination of a lack of quality service and another referee that allowed too much pushing and pulling from centre-backs up against the number 40 made life difficult, but Coburn did not make much of the bits and bobs that came his way either and this rarely ineffective performance was summed up by the fact he was subbed off in the closing stages with the Gas chasing a leveller.
That is all part of the learning curve for the big lad, but it is clear the Gas are not functioning correctly across the pitch. Once again, they won the possession battle, but they created little with it. You then get into a horrible situation where the attack is not confident the defence can keep goals out and the defence is not confident that the attack can score regularly – harking back to that awful 2020/21 season.
To be clear, this team is nothing like that one and with 17 games to play, they are just one point behind the total that side amassed across 46 League One games. Those were season-long flaws the last time the Gas were in this division where as this feels like a midseason blip.
Having seen what his team can do in the back end of 2022, Barton is justifiably confident that is the case, although he has the tricky job of revitalising a team that is short of its best across the park.
'If we're not careful...' "We’ve got to stick together and keep scrapping away because if we’re not careful, we could get drawn into a fight we don’t want to be involved in," Barton said in his post-match press conference, referencing the stall the Gas have suffered in recent weeks that has seen them slip into the bottom half of the table.
The primary aim this season was survival and the Gas have gone a long way to achieving third-tier status for next season, but the mission has not been accomplished yet.
With 37 points from 29 games, this is not the time for the Gas to be looking over their shoulder, but it is not uncommon for teams to sink dramatically from midtable in the closing stages of the season and an equation like that is not yet impossible for Rovers.
A 46-game season is a gruelling slog and blips and slumps are inevitable for a club like Rovers at this level, but Barton is right to be wary. A three-game losing streak alone is not problematic in the context of the good work the Gas did ahead of Christmas and it would take a total capitulation to be dragged into a dogfight, but if their problems continue to snowball things will quickly feel uncomfortable.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 5, 2023 11:43:52 GMT
This is more concerning that the 5-1 against Morecambe, which could be written off as a bad day. Yesterday we were looking for a response and what we got was a limp lettuce of a performance. The team does genuinely seem to play better against the top sides, as draws with Sheff Wed and Bolton indicate. However in my view, we are also benefitting from the 'bounce' that promoted teams sometimes get (which occasionally takes them all the way up into the championship), and so next season will be a better guide for the actual progress made. And once the loan signings return to their clubs, what then? We can't keep on rummaging around the free transfer bin looking for something vaguely edible. Spot on, the loans mean a new project and team each season and that worries me, especially how the last window went and wondering if Thomas acrimonious departure would have left any residual reputational damage Each window actually.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 11:53:15 GMT
Spot on, the loans mean a new project and team each season and that worries me, especially how the last window went and wondering if Thomas acrimonious departure would have left any residual reputational damage Each window actually. It feels like that doesn't it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 5, 2023 12:02:08 GMT
It feels like that doesn't it. Certainly does and I’d go as far as to say, negligent, especially when both Mangan and Barton never forget to say how great the owner is and how they are backed, this intimates that it’s both Barton and Mangan who have not put in the right bids or have misjudged the players who we could have targeted my view is this is definitely not the way to go, shedding the players we did will prove to be a huge mistake, always better to know the known than try to figure out the unknowns. Still gutted about Alfie and that mural, on the east stand looks daft now
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Post by baselswh on Feb 5, 2023 13:10:18 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware.The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order .
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Post by c4h10 on Feb 5, 2023 15:15:51 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware. The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order .Might have to hurry, then! As long as we keep fannying around playing keep-ball in our own defensive area, opposition teams will press to try to force a mistake. They frequently do. We seem to be trying to play first division football with third division players, in the third division. An occasional punt upfield for our attackers to pit themselves against the opposing defenders wouldn't go amiss, in my opinion.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 15:26:18 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware.The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order . Are you suggesting that Wael pushes his employee to incur even greater losses than he already is? Really?
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 5, 2023 15:32:33 GMT
Lincoln away next week..... Watch out for old ladies brandishing a frying pan, lurking in the lanes after the match.
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Post by Bath Gas on Feb 5, 2023 15:36:21 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware.The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order . Are you suggesting that Wael pushes his employee to incur even greater losses than he already is? Really? Not necessarily, I'm guessing that JB was referring to not paying over the odds in transfers and wages for particular players, as he doesn't consider them to be worth what is being asked. A bit like me when buying a car - "Oh, let's buy it, I love the colour".
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 15:53:31 GMT
Lincoln away next week..... Watch out for old ladies brandishing a frying pan, lurking in the lanes after the match. I will be the old bloke with a distinct limp, if you hit me, above the waist please.😂
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 15:54:14 GMT
Are you suggesting that Wael pushes his employee to incur even greater losses than he already is? Really? Not necessarily, I'm guessing that JB was referring to not paying over the odds in transfers and wages for particular players, as he doesn't consider them to be worth what is being asked. A bit like me when buying a car - "Oh, let's buy it, I love the colour". 😂😂😂
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 5, 2023 16:13:40 GMT
Re loans. If we don't sign Billy Elliott last Jan then we don't get promotion. That was a lucky signing as get the impression we did not scout him but it was suggested to us.
Now, with lesser players, Barton is shown to be short of skills.
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 5, 2023 16:20:27 GMT
Bristol Rovers verdict: Barton needs to break cycle after nightmare start and predictable finish..After poor performances and results, the response is everything in football but for Bristol Rovers, their hopes of bouncing back accordingly seven days' on from the drubbing at Morecambe took less than two minutes to be dented. MK Dons claimed a 2-0 win at the Mem on Saturday in a game bookended by goals for the visitors. The Mem was vibrant and doing its bit to draw a response from Joey Barton's players, but it took little more than 90 seconds for the mood to change. Mo Eisa won and scored a chap penalty to put the Gas on the back foot again and for all their efforts to battle back, patiently trying to craft attacks, they finished with nothing to show for it as Max Dean clinched the victory in the final minute of the 90. Adversity like that early goal has so often been overcome by the Gas, but at this point, they are not the force we know they can be. Confidence has been affected, crucial players are out injured and things aren't flowing the way they typically do. The Gas have fallen to 13th in League One as a result, leaving Barton with plenty to consider. A nightmare start and a predictable finishBarton's post-match press conference began with a facetious question whether any of the assembled journos had flattened a cat en route to the Mem on Saturday, with the Gas out of form and lacking the rub of the green in recent weeks. After a shocking scoreline like the drubbing at Morecambe, what matters most is the response. After a week of planning, preparing and grafting at The Quarters, though, that hard work went out the window with the early concession of a penalty by Jarell Quansah. The Liverpool loanee again was impressive for long periods in his second appearance in blue and white, but he showed a touch of naivety to snap at a loose ball in the area after only about 90 seconds and Eisa gleefully took the contact before stepping up and converting from 12 yards. Against a team near the bottom end of the table that has been galvanised by a new manager, the optimal situation is to not give them anything to hold onto, but MK held onto it very well. They were rigid in their shape and had willing runners on the counter-attack to keep the Gas defence honest. But by and large, Rovers had the game under control despite trailing. The challenge for them was to break down a deep-set defence amid an understandable shortage of confidence after a pair of poor defeats. For all their possession, the afternoon was trending one way for Rovers. They never quite had the guile nor the battering ram to force an equaliser. The likelier scenario was a breakaway goal for an MK team that had offered very little in the second period, and it played out that way. Eisa was the pantomime villain for his Bristol City connections as well as baiting the crowd after opening the scoring, but he kept a cool head in the 90th minute to draw in the last defender and square the ball for Dean to wrap up the victory. It feels like Rovers are caught in a cycle. They keep giving away the first goal and that means games are being played on their opponents' terms. No matter how good the attack is, it is not feasible to win games often from that position. A team-wide malaiseThe defensive side of the team, rightly, has taken a fair bit of stick in recent weeks and months; the Gas have shipped too many goals (52 in 29 games) and it has placed a huge strain on the match-winners at the other end of the pitch to do the heavy lifting. I But this is now a malaise that has set in across the pitch; the defence is still conceding too freely, experienced midfielders Paul Coutts and Sam Finley have hit a dip in form and now the attack has been faced with roadblocks. Rovers have not scored a meaningful goal in the past three games, with only Aaron Collins' consolation in the 5-1 defeat at Morecambe last week to show for 270 minutes of effort. Collins continues to pose a he delivered a trio of good crosses in this game which were pretty much the best moments the Gas were able to muster, but a lack of fluidity across the pitch has led to the top scorer getting few chances to threaten in dangerous areas. Josh Coburn, meanwhile, had perhaps his toughest game in a Rovers shirt so far. A combination of a lack of quality service and another referee that allowed too much pushing and pulling from centre-backs up against the number 40 made life difficult, but Coburn did not make much of the bits and bobs that came his way either and this rarely ineffective performance was summed up by the fact he was subbed off in the closing stages with the Gas chasing a leveller. That is all part of the learning curve for the big lad, but it is clear the Gas are not functioning correctly across the pitch. Once again, they won the possession battle, but they created little with it. You then get into a horrible situation where the attack is not confident the defence can keep goals out and the defence is not confident that the attack can score regularly – harking back to that awful 2020/21 season. To be clear, this team is nothing like that one and with 17 games to play, they are just one point behind the total that side amassed across 46 League One games. Those were season-long flaws the last time the Gas were in this division where as this feels like a midseason blip. Having seen what his team can do in the back end of 2022, Barton is justifiably confident that is the case, although he has the tricky job of revitalising a team that is short of its best across the park. 'If we're not careful...'"We’ve got to stick together and keep scrapping away because if we’re not careful, we could get drawn into a fight we don’t want to be involved in," Barton said in his post-match press conference, referencing the stall the Gas have suffered in recent weeks that has seen them slip into the bottom half of the table. The primary aim this season was survival and the Gas have gone a long way to achieving third-tier status for next season, but the mission has not been accomplished yet. With 37 points from 29 games, this is not the time for the Gas to be looking over their shoulder, but it is not uncommon for teams to sink dramatically from midtable in the closing stages of the season and an equation like that is not yet impossible for Rovers. A 46-game season is a gruelling slog and blips and slumps are inevitable for a club like Rovers at this level, but Barton is right to be wary. A three-game losing streak alone is not problematic in the context of the good work the Gas did ahead of Christmas and it would take a total capitulation to be dragged into a dogfight, but if their problems continue to snowball things will quickly feel uncomfortable. Really good informative analysis as always, don’t forget to take a breathe every now and again tho…….
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 5, 2023 17:57:00 GMT
BRFC v MK Dons highlights...
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Post by baselswh on Feb 5, 2023 18:25:16 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware.The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order . Are you suggesting that Wael pushes his employee to incur even greater losses than he already is? Really? I'm posting my understanding of what JB said to Geoff Twentymann the other day. It seems between them,President and Manager,that they don't lose so much money as to worry WAQ. So,as long as WAQ is happy,then I don't think there's much to worry about. As Cheshire posted,WAQ may of been quite cavalier at times,but he has paid the bills. It's the no news on a new stadium I find disappointing.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 5, 2023 18:31:38 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware. The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order .Might have to hurry, then! As long as we keep fannying around playing keep-ball in our own defensive area, opposition teams will press to try to force a mistake. They frequently do. We seem to be trying to play first division football with third division players, in the third division. An occasional punt upfield for our attackers to pit themselves against the opposing defenders wouldn't go amiss, in my opinion. It's a transitional phase imo c4h10 and yes it's frustrating to watch,but you know,all fcs have these phases.It'll be interesting to see how it goes.I think we'll begin to improve relatively soon.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 5, 2023 19:04:01 GMT
Just got back... Headless chicken. Possession based football. 3min home debut. Loyalty. Loan claws. We've been well and truly sussed.. These were all talking points. Briefly.... Our headless chicken play in possession with no structure and relying on second half improved performance is wearing and taxing on the average GasHead. This is supported by the lack of atmosphere after the 16th minute, when, very rarely, we heard the Mem in full voice until second half where we bothered their Keeper once - a Finley speculation from 25 yards - a regulation standard catch into the belly from someone cumming. Possession based stats are all very good and well if you get the result you desire more often than not! I disagree with JAB post match comments....he didn't have to pay to watch the stop, side and inside pass from Gordon every time or the non existent threat from the right rendering our flank attack impotent. I did. So did some of you. When does it matter having 58 % possession when you do nothing with it....? It reminds me of a scenario of Quasimodo having the biggest c0ck in the world - what's the point? The home debut of Quansah should be judged after 3 mins.... The naivety of no 3rd division football taught him the lesson, where fella should have stayed on his feet - he was well capable - but the challenge invited a fall , which he duly did, resulting in my (after event) m o m losing a bit of pride there. A fall before a pride, if you will.. I think the trait most football fans will abide by is loyalty. Loyalty to one's club, colours, players etc and ours is no different. Instinctively, I feel loyalty to Belshaw, and to some extent, Evans whom both have performed above expectations before....a number of us felt bemused with both non involvement - which everyone recognised pre match as a risk - and I wonder in the light of the day whether it paid off? Do we have a goalkeeper that inspires more confidence? Are the set pieces being delivered better? Is there a wonder link between defence and attack? Can we find a Keeper to save a penalty? ....I know early days, but for me, er no to all of those fundamental questions. Which brings us back to loyalty....in my opinion, over the last 3 matches and listening to JAB post match comments, he's made some awful decisions. We've played 3 clubs in the bottom 6 and not even looked like 1 point, let alone winning any of them, and we go on to Lincoln and Ipswich next!......so, how long can anyone remain loyal to a good manager (imo) making bad decisions? It feels like JAB has hit a wall. It feels like JAB has dismantled all the hard work to get us where we are, team spirit, never say die attitude etc, submitting to loan claws, yes claws because the keeper situation feels exactly like that. It feels like JAB is turning BG like where insists on playing out defence when sometimes it's clearly dangerous to do so. If JAB can't inspire loyalty to Belly and Evans, why should there be any for him when he underperforms regularly just as much ...? Genuine moments of interest were... A Sinclair shimmy in first half, graceful and delight to watch that bought him time and space to cross....worth some of the admission fee alone! Kicking off 1970s handbag style in Tent End....well done us again. In the interest of trying to extract the last £ for paying GasHeads, reducing season ticket seats for that area has encouraged any old hooligan to chuck things at away fans! Or young, apparently... I liked Bogarde cameo, so play him again... Their number 12....I thought m o m. And their number 42.... amazing continuing to play with a broken leg!!! I mean, you don't see that sort of bravery every day? An athlete, a true wizard of fitness... So...onto the next match. "I'm just glad we've got 37 points" someone said to me. Hmmmmmm teams have been relegated on more! Don't press panic just yet, but... Brilliant Summery It's not even Spring yet.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 7, 2023 11:50:40 GMT
JB ,I think in his recent chinwag with Geoff Twentymann, told us he has to occasionally calm Wael down,as regards potential transfers and wages.Wael surely knows what is affordable and what is not and assuming that's true,it is Joe pointing out we have be financially aware.The Manager also pointed out he is a custodian of Rovers and one day,he would like to pass on the fc in good order . This is one of my biggest concerns with Wael, he is obviously a very keen fan and football is his chosen hobby. My hobby is something very different but it has seem me without money for a couple of months at a time. At least Wael can afford what he is willing to spend and i just hope that can carry on, at least until ,maybe, we see a different ownership. I also picked up on those comments.
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