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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:05:50 GMT
Not quite how I am seeing it Jeff. We’ve been better side for much of it but agree nothing really clear cut created. Don’t deserve to be losing but lucky not 2-0 with one that hit post. Their goal looked a keeper error. If so inspired tactical masterstroke from Barton. Ref terrible. Looked nailed on pen when Coburn pulled over. We can turn this around and win it. I thought entertaining first half with both sides at least trying to play football. And yes Connor Ripley is a top bloke. Always takes banter well too and he is a decent keeper at this level Just out of interest, in your opinion which opposition goalkeeper is best at taking banter (best banterer, if that is a word?) and who is worst? This sounds awful, by the way. Not Boreham Wood awful, but awful enough. Ripley is up there with the best. Doesn’t take himself too seriously and comes across as a decent bloke and up for a laugh. Suspect we’d love him if he was ours. The one that sticks in my mind as being a total bell end is the Stoke keeper from a few ears back - Gavin Ward was it? Most of them don’t engage and simply block us out which is why Ripley stands out for me. Performance in second half was worse than Boreham Wood terrible especially the defending.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:08:28 GMT
Five now. but Collins begins the fight back!!!!Still ,we have the new stadium to look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!! New Keeper will be returned under the Trade descriptions Act. Feel sorry for the new keeper. What was in front of him parted like the red sea in front of Moses. Not his fault our managerial genius picked him instead of Belshaw either
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:11:00 GMT
They’re lot singing can we play you every week 😂. Utterly pathetic and toothless performance. What has gone wrong with us ? I would have to ask JB to give all the travelling fans their money back, out of his own pocket. Yeah but it’s not his fault. It’s all the players. They of course pick the team, set themselves up in formations ghat don’t work and then make a series of baffling changes that make things worse not better
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:13:49 GMT
£10 for that on iFollow. We should all get a refund on the basis Rovers we're not fit for purpose. Think yourself lucky Jeff £90 for fuel, £20 a pop for tickets and 9 hours on the road to watch that s**te. At least the £20 I spent on steak and kidney pudding and chips was worth the money
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 28, 2023 22:17:57 GMT
Which will it be this time? 1. Officials were sh*t. 2. Certain players simply not good enough, soon to be humiliated in public by the manager. 3. Barton accepts responsibility. Experienced players let him down! So it's definitely No. 2 then. And definitely not No.3. This is (one of) the problems I have with Barton. If he never accepts responsibility for a defeat, then he will never learn. 100% his players. His choice of starting XI. His tactics. His man management. His squad he works with on the training pitch. He is the manager and the buck stops at his door when it goes t*ts up. (Just like he can take the plaudits when things go well).
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:25:15 GMT
Experienced players let him down! They did. It also can't have helped the situation when our fans started chanting for Belshaw after the first goal - not exactly going to help re-build the yound lad's confidence is it? I thought Gasheads were better than that. Agree with the chanting bit but Barton has put him in that position with his Gamble to drop Belshaw. If it had worked he will have pissed Belshaw off. If it didn't like today then he has thrown that young lad under a bus. Really poor management imho
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:26:48 GMT
Experienced players let him down! So it's definitely No. 2 then. And definitely not No.3. This is (one of) the problems I have with Barton. If he never accepts responsibility for a defeat, then he will never learn. 100% his players. His choice of starting XI. His tactics. His man management. His squad he works with on the training pitch. He is the manager and the buck stops at his door when it goes t*ts up. (Just like he can take the plaudits when things go well). Spot on Epping. It will never be #3 as Barton is a narcissist
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 28, 2023 22:32:30 GMT
We are now in 12th position, 6 points from the play-offs and 12 points from the drop zone..
In January we played 5 matches, Won 2, Lost 3, For 5, Against 11, League Points 6 from 12.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:37:45 GMT
Which will it be this time? 1. Officials were sh*t. 2. Certain players simply not good enough, soon to be humiliated in public by the manager. 3. Barton accepts responsibility. Experienced players let him down! So which ones? Presumably he is taking a pot shot at Coutts, Finley and Sinclair? First two didn’t have their best days but we still won 60 something % of possession so suggests we had enough ball to have got something out of the game. That we didn’t was down to rank bad defending - Connolly in particular being the worst culprit. He is young and inexperienced though so presumably Barton didn’t mean him? Looks half the player he was with Connor Taylor alongside him. Sinclair looks at least a couple of yards too deep to me so when he gets the ball he has too much work to do to create anything. That’s got go be how Barton is asking him to play so if anyone has let themselves down today it’s our Teflon coated managerial genius
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 28, 2023 22:42:29 GMT
Just got back.... From ifollow. Utterly embarrassing! I feel sorry for the time and money invested by plenty of Gas.. What a shambles the defence, defending mid and some senior professionals served up there. It's unacceptable. My m o m was the referee whom seemed to get everything right including the penalty award, the non penalty award of Morecambe double fall over, and McCormick yellow card where he played advantage and could have booked another of ours. Did the keep make more than 1 save? (I remember Stockton through, he saved for corner). JAB shocking and that's 0 points from 2 northwest clubs that don't even get half our attendance! Shameful.. What about the penalty shout on Coburn in first half? Looked nailed on and that he was thrown to the ground from behind the goal but you may have had a better view on ifollow? Thought ref was awful first better second half but it was our woeful defending ghat cost us this game rather than the referee. Best of tye bunch for me today was Quansah who showed lots of skill and composure but looked partly at fault when outmuscled on the 5th
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Post by alftupper on Jan 29, 2023 8:26:22 GMT
Five now. but Collins begins the fight back!!!!Still ,we have the new stadium to look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!! New Keeper will be returned under the Trade descriptions Act. Feel sorry for the new keeper. What was in front of him parted like the red sea in front of Moses. Not his fault our managerial genius picked him instead of Belshaw either Can`t believe that Barton thought we needed another keeper, in the first place. Barmy.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 29, 2023 9:17:01 GMT
Feel sorry for the new keeper. What was in front of him parted like the red sea in front of Moses. Not his fault our managerial genius picked him instead of Belshaw either Can`t believe that Barton thought we needed another keeper, in the first place. Barmy. Yes mental. If Belshaw deemed not up to it then give Jaakola a go and he is proven at this level. Must mean he is on the way out too and presumably Barton has decided that Jedward is not up to it either. Only makes any sense if we are going to sign the Brentford lad permanently to become our future keeper. Can’t get my head around this decision at all and I don’t do blind faith like some of our supporters do Feels like Barton is trying his cod psychology bollocks again to give Belshaw a kick up the arse. If so, that worked well didn’t it?
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Post by Bath Gas on Jan 29, 2023 9:21:16 GMT
Feel sorry for the new keeper. What was in front of him parted like the red sea in front of Moses. Not his fault our managerial genius picked him instead of Belshaw either Can`t believe that Barton thought we needed another keeper, in the first place. Barmy. Yes, he seemed to suddenly get a bee in his bonnet about Belshaw. He definitely needs to rectify this for next Saturday.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 29, 2023 9:47:58 GMT
Just got back.... From ifollow. Utterly embarrassing! I feel sorry for the time and money invested by plenty of Gas.. What a shambles the defence, defending mid and some senior professionals served up there. It's unacceptable. My m o m was the referee whom seemed to get everything right including the penalty award, the non penalty award of Morecambe double fall over, and McCormick yellow card where he played advantage and could have booked another of ours. Did the keep make more than 1 save? (I remember Stockton through, he saved for corner). JAB shocking and that's 0 points from 2 northwest clubs that don't even get half our attendance! Shameful.. What about the penalty shout on Coburn in first half? Looked nailed on and that he was thrown to the ground from behind the goal but you may have had a better view on ifollow? Thought ref was awful first better second half but it was our woeful defending ghat cost us this game rather than the referee. Best of tye bunch for me today was Quansah who showed lots of skill and composure but looked partly at fault when outmuscled on the 5th It looks like almost every match Coburn is wrestled to floor without redress!? Can't remember that specific incident tbh. There were a few others he was fouled and the ref gave them....but don't you think it would help if refs were ably supported by their line person? I didn't see the ref as awful. It looked like he got most decisions if not all, correct and even allowed play on to book McCormick when their move broke down. Disagree about Quansah best of bunch. Matey just ran through him to go on and score, he has to be stronger than that to impede in some way. Welcome to the 3rd division! The covering of him was non existent, so exposed his mistake. I did like his on ball play like you post, but off ball he neither tracked nor supported the rest of the defence. He looks a unit though, and hopefully will acclimatise to the non compromising 3rd division demands.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2023 10:56:59 GMT
What about the penalty shout on Coburn in first half? Looked nailed on and that he was thrown to the ground from behind the goal but you may have had a better view on ifollow? Thought ref was awful first better second half but it was our woeful defending ghat cost us this game rather than the referee. Best of tye bunch for me today was Quansah who showed lots of skill and composure but looked partly at fault when outmuscled on the 5th It looks like almost every match Coburn is wrestled to floor without redress!? Can't remember that specific incident tbh. There were a few others he was fouled and the ref gave them....but don't you think it would help if refs were ably supported by their line person? I didn't see the ref as awful. It looked like he got most decisions if not all, correct and even allowed play on to book McCormick when their move broke down. Disagree about Quansah best of bunch. Matey just ran through him to go on and score, he has to be stronger than that to impede in some way. Welcome to the 3rd division! The covering of him was non existent, so exposed his mistake. I did like his on ball play like you post, but off ball he neither tracked nor supported the rest of the defence. He looks a unit though, and hopefully will acclimatise to the non compromising 3rd division demands. Had a Long chat with a Liverpool fan who asked about him and his performance, that was his first game as a first team player in league football. The guy queried us coming in for Doak and recommended him, highly, said he has played first team at LFC and could be a great provider for our strikers, scouse too, seems very ITK with the loans that LFC have available and it of contract, have him as a contact now. He was happy with my report, seems the lad is well liked by LFC fans and seen as a good prospect. Did well apart from that goal. Thought he showed decent composure and was one that played above expectations
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 29, 2023 12:37:43 GMT
What about the penalty shout on Coburn in first half? Looked nailed on and that he was thrown to the ground from behind the goal but you may have had a better view on ifollow? Thought ref was awful first better second half but it was our woeful defending ghat cost us this game rather than the referee. Best of tye bunch for me today was Quansah who showed lots of skill and composure but looked partly at fault when outmuscled on the 5th It looks like almost every match Coburn is wrestled to floor without redress!? Can't remember that specific incident tbh. There were a few others he was fouled and the ref gave them....but don't you think it would help if refs were ably supported by their line person? I didn't see the ref as awful. It looked like he got most decisions if not all, correct and even allowed play on to book McCormick when their move broke down. Disagree about Quansah best of bunch. Matey just ran through him to go on and score, he has to be stronger than that to impede in some way. Welcome to the 3rd division! The covering of him was non existent, so exposed his mistake. I did like his on ball play like you post, but off ball he neither tracked nor supported the rest of the defence. He looks a unit though, and hopefully will acclimatise to the non compromising 3rd division demands. Well we agree on some things but not others and I guess that is football. You’ll have had a much better view on ifollow of the stuff that happened at the other end of the pitch from us. Agree about Linos and thought the one on the left in particular did not help at all. Re Quansah I’ve made allowance for the fact that this was his first game at senior level. Thought she showed excellent skill and composure throughout and he is also very quick. One occasion in second half their player had a good frew yards head start on him yet he still caught him. Agree not strong enough on 5th goal but game was lost by then and he will learn from it. I really like the look of him. Lot to expect of him though to shore up this porous defence
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jan 29, 2023 13:40:58 GMT
Experienced players let him down! So it's definitely No. 2 then. And definitely not No.3. This is (one of) the problems I have with Barton. If he never accepts responsibility for a defeat, then he will never learn. 100% his players. His choice of starting XI. His tactics. His man management. His squad he works with on the training pitch. He is the manager and the buck stops at his door when it goes t*ts up. (Just like he can take the plaudits when things go well). Barton’s entitled to make a mess in his mid table experiments, looking to build for next season, it’s his team, he owns it, we just need to be patient to see if he can repeat the L2 promotion season in L1 next season. That promotion run second half last season, leading up to 7th May, is a very special piece of Gashead history, probably only second to 1990?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2023 17:25:47 GMT
So it's definitely No. 2 then. And definitely not No.3. This is (one of) the problems I have with Barton. If he never accepts responsibility for a defeat, then he will never learn. 100% his players. His choice of starting XI. His tactics. His man management. His squad he works with on the training pitch. He is the manager and the buck stops at his door when it goes t*ts up. (Just like he can take the plaudits when things go well). Barton’s entitled to make a mess in his mid table experiments, looking to build for next season, it’s his team, he owns it, we just need to be patient to see if he can repeat the L2 promotion season in L1 next season. That promotion run second half last season, leading up to 7th May, is a very special piece of Gashead history, probably only second to 1990? Do you really think he is being realistic about promotion though as i do not and think her plays to the crowd but that is just my take on him. I think we would get walloped big time IF we did somehow go up and i also think we, or many, have got totally carried away by talk of that. Who would pay for that ? It’s a pipe dream and I’m sure most know it, when they think seriously of the players we have and sums paid for players, next level up
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jan 29, 2023 18:13:27 GMT
Barton’s entitled to make a mess in his mid table experiments, looking to build for next season, it’s his team, he owns it, we just need to be patient to see if he can repeat the L2 promotion season in L1 next season. That promotion run second half last season, leading up to 7th May, is a very special piece of Gashead history, probably only second to 1990? Do you really think he is being realistic about promotion though as i do not and think her plays to the crowd but that is just my take on him. I think we would get walloped big time IF we did somehow go up and i also think we, or many, have got totally carried away by talk of that. Who would pay for that ? It’s a pipe dream and I’m sure most know it, when they think seriously of the players we have and sums paid for players, next level up not this year obviously but take “Muff” as example, went up as we came down, stabilised in first L1 year building towards promotion. any side that builds to a great season and automatic promotion must be in decent shape and good bet to survive relegation in the next. Then it’s about recruitment - no matter who you are, Sheffield Wednesday or Derby, or Portsmouth, Preston, Millwall or Luton, if have put decent Championship players on the pitch and have a decent manager, no reason why Championship should be beyond you. that brings two things into play. That year you went up automatically to the championship, players scored the goals to get you there, if someone takes them from you, even with money bringing in goal scorer is hard. Lambert as an example score about 4 before his winner over city - it takes time for players to settle. and of course money. To put championship players on the field in order to compete in the league will cost an owner how much? So what other sources of income help them? A ramshackle ground limited to about ten thousand? the world is Bristol Rovers oyster - but we can’t go diving for it overnight in the dark, the floodlights of the new stadium need to light the way first.
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 29, 2023 18:57:36 GMT
Bristol Rovers verdict: Barton's big call, class between the chaos and the man Gas miss the most..
Screams of frustration, slamming of the turf, a missed penalty, five cheap goals and a whole heap of misery for Bristol Rovers. Under heavy grey skies with a January chill, oh we don't like to be beside the seaside as Morecambe delivered what Joey Barton rated as the worst performance of his near-two-year tenure with the Gas.
The big picture is still broadly positive for Rovers, 12th in League One after a second successive defeat, but within the confines of the 90 minutes, this was perhaps the new nadir of an eventful two years. To be clear, there have been lower moments with context taken into account, and the Gas have conceded more goals in a game – six against Lincoln in September – but these 90 minutes were as bad as it's been as a standalone performance.
Morecambe deserve full credit, giving Rovers two difficult games this season despite being in the midst of the relegation battle, and they have an excellent home record for a team at the wrong end of the table, but a lot of things had to go wrong for the Gas to find themselves 5-0 down as full time approached until Aaron Collins netted a consolation.
Barton was scathing in his criticism. "Embarrassing", he said, apologising to fans and indicating there would be consequences – both in the shape of incomings and outgoings – before Tuesday's transfer deadline.
Anomalous, the manager will hope, this was a performance one both could and couldn't see coming. Rovers have conceded goals in high quantities this season and the defensive record has been their Achilles heel, but that has often been down to individual errors and rarely have they looked this vulnerable as a unit.
Most teams – the absolute elite excluded – have a shocker or two even in the midst of a good season, and Gasheads and Barton will hope this game can be placed in that category and not be repeated any time soon.
If any single moment encapsulated the afternoon as a whole, it was Scott Sinclair’s uncharacteristic penalty miss, but by then, the damage was done.
Pretty much everything that could go wrong for Rovers, did. Debutant goalkeeper Ellery Balcombe was beaten too easily for the opening goal by Dan Crowley’s shot from distance and clumsy play in possession spurned opportunities to create an equaliser, but at the break, the contest was still alive – provided they got a grip of the midfield and made life a bit easier for the back four.
Three minutes later, though, it wasn’t. One set-piece concession was followed by another as a James Connolly own goal and Donald Love’s arrow saw Barton turn back to the bench angered and perplexed.
Even then, Rovers looked likely in the final third but on the counter, Crowley was again afforded the kind of space between the lines that a professional would never reasonably expect and Cole Stockton finished smartly from the through ball.
For the 600-plus Gasheads that made the trip, 4-0 was bad enough, but Sinclair’s penalty – saved by Connor Ripley, to his credit sporting a shaved head in support of his mate Nick Anderton – and a fifth goal from Adam Mayor, plus an almost cruel five minutes of added time was to follow. Collins' tidy finish was scant consolation.
Mercifully, Rovers escaped without injuries or suspensions, because perhaps that was the only way this could have been worse.
What will frustrate Barton about this team is they are the inverse of last year when defensive solidity and control came a lot easier than attacking potency. Now, the Gas have goals and creativity but insecurity at the back, summed up by 50 shipped in 28 games.
Collins, Coburn et al have done a lot to mask those issues, but days like this are always possible until the Gas find an effective defensive method.
For a squad and coaching staff with many connections to this particular corner of the country, the North West has been awfully unkind to the Gas in the past fortnight.
Forget the hugs and handshakes of a homecoming, for the Gas players from this part of the world, the trips to Accrington and Morecambe have been as pleasant as a slap in the face – fitting for the rude awakening that despite all of Rovers' good work so far this season, there are absolutely no mugs at this level.
Indeed, across the two games, Morecambe look better than a bottom-four side, but Rovers, clearly, had more talent on the pitch man for man and the same is true of the Accrington game, but twice in succession, the Gas have let themselves down with their performance levels.
At Accrington, they were guilty of going off script and erring from the things they do well. At Morecambe, they were open and unconvincing throughout, proving to be far too easy to play against – something that was absolutely not the case in the lead-up to Christmas when the Gas were climbing the table with speed.
Barton has been counting on a big finish to the transfer window, with three signings made so far, and on this display, it is clear the squad needs more additions to make sure the standard is returned to where it was just a few weeks ago, or Rovers' season risks petering out.
Still, an uneventful mid-table finish would be a strong season back in League One, providing a platform for next year and beyond, but there was potential for it to be more than that and it would be a shame if Rovers were to let that chance slip so soon. Things can change quickly and Rovers need to respond at the earliest opportunity: MK Dons at the Mem next Saturday.
Sentiment is not a factor in the football mind of Barton and his ruthless streak has been seen time and again across his time at Rovers as the two-year anniversary of his appointment nears. Most of the time, his decisions which have been questioned have worked out in his favour.
He made another one of those big calls before kick-off with James Belshaw dropped for new signing Ellery Balcombe. At the time the team news dropped, it was not a surprise; Barton brought in a new keeper for a reason but taking out a player who has been a pillar of Rovers' recent success is not taken on a whim.
The decision has not delivered instant dividends with Balcombe culpable for the first goal, which set the tone for a clumsy afternoon for the Gas. Not an ideal start and the games in the weeks ahead will confirm whether it was the correct call to make a change between the posts.
But Barton certainly is conditioned to take the criticism on the chin. Some managers may have squirmed as the travelling fans sang the name of the dropped Belshaw as Rovers floundered in the second half, but the evidence from the past 23 months suggests he will carry on undeterred.
In fact, more ruthless decisions can be expected, with Barton declaring in his post-match press conference that this performance had confirmed his view that departures will take place before Tuesday's transfer deadline. For a variety of reasons, the next few days promise to be fascinating in the world of Rovers.
Injuries are an unfortunate reality of the game, but the sustained absence of Jordan Rossiter is starting to bite as Rovers' defensive record worsens.
Lewis Gibson's unavailability is a problem, too, but the central midfielder had been the glue between the attack and defence in Rovers' best moments in the season so far, and his intensity and engine are being sorely missed as he recovers from a meniscus injury picked up in December.
An unselfish player in the extreme, Rossiter does the essential dirty work and makes those around him better, while also having enough technical ability to contribute on the ball.
With a fully fit Rossiter in the heart of midfield, it is hard to envisage Crowley enjoying the time and space he had to pull apart an exposed defence time and again.
In keeping with a miserable afternoon, Barton earlier in the week shared news of a setback for Rossiter, with hopes he would be back in contention next week dashed.
Rovers need him back sooner rather than later.
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