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Post by oldie on Apr 15, 2022 10:57:42 GMT
So the laws allowing private sponsorship for Ukranians are open to all? Is that right? As far as I'm aware, yes. It was my opinion that all Ukrainians should be treated equally, not a presumption that this applied in law. Though it very probably does. Unless you know differently - please post a link if you have one. So any of us can sponsor a Syrian and there are equivalent visa schemes in place for them? You think?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 15, 2022 12:27:29 GMT
As far as I'm aware, yes. It was my opinion that all Ukrainians should be treated equally, not a presumption that this applied in law. Though it very probably does. Unless you know differently - please post a link if you have one. So any of us can sponsor a Syrian and there are equivalent visa schemes in place for them? You think? We are talking about Ukraine. A European nation. Ukrainians of any colour, or religious persuasion. Do we have similar schemes for Syrians. I doubt it. They are not in Europe. Without wishing to repeat myself, we can't help everyone. To do that we'd have to have some kind of global control. British Empire v2. Hang on - you could be on to something.
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Post by oldie on Apr 15, 2022 12:48:56 GMT
So any of us can sponsor a Syrian and there are equivalent visa schemes in place for them? You think? We are talking about Ukraine. A European nation. Ukrainians of any colour, or religious persuasion. Do we have similar schemes for Syrians. I doubt it. They are not in Europe. Without wishing to repeat myself, we can't help everyone. To do that we'd have to have some kind of global control. British Empire v2. Hang on - you could be on to something. Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that?
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 15, 2022 13:50:38 GMT
We are talking about Ukraine. A European nation. Ukrainians of any colour, or religious persuasion. Do we have similar schemes for Syrians. I doubt it. They are not in Europe. Without wishing to repeat myself, we can't help everyone. To do that we'd have to have some kind of global control. British Empire v2. Hang on - you could be on to something. Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that? Quite easy to explain. Anyone, from anywhere, who app!y for Asylum via official means will be treated the same. If you have the correct paperwork it should be easy. However, if you arrive in the UK via a people smuggler and a boat from France, without any paperwork, then you have to be processed accordingly. By moving that processing to Rwanda a message is being sent out.
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Post by oldie on Apr 15, 2022 14:54:18 GMT
Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that? Quite easy to explain. Anyone, from anywhere, who app!y for Asylum via official means will be treated the same. If you have the correct paperwork it should be easy. However, if you arrive in the UK via a people smuggler and a boat from France, without any paperwork, then you have to be processed accordingly. By moving that processing to Rwanda a message is being sent out. So we set up a system for Ukranians, but only them? You guys are dancing on a sixpence and you know it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 15, 2022 17:15:00 GMT
Quite easy to explain. Anyone, from anywhere, who app!y for Asylum via official means will be treated the same. If you have the correct paperwork it should be easy. However, if you arrive in the UK via a people smuggler and a boat from France, without any paperwork, then you have to be processed accordingly. By moving that processing to Rwanda a message is being sent out. So we set up a system for Ukranians, but only them? You guys are dancing on a sixpence and you know it. No, you are the one who is attempting to make this a national/racist issue which is quite contemptible.. The rules are there for everyone. The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process. The boat people rock up with no passports, no paperwork and they will tell lies about their ages or where they come from. They can be nearly impossible to identify so therefore cannot be checked off from any security lists. By processing them in Rwanda we remove the security risk to the British people and it will also drastically reduce the flow across the Channel, which will save lives. Genuine asylum seekers can be identified and processed. People so say fleeing for their lives will surely not be worried about a delay in getting to the UK would they? After all, the boat people have already imposed their own delay by moving through many safe European countries to reach the Channel.
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 15, 2022 20:05:06 GMT
We are talking about Ukraine. A European nation. Ukrainians of any colour, or religious persuasion. Do we have similar schemes for Syrians. I doubt it. They are not in Europe. Without wishing to repeat myself, we can't help everyone. To do that we'd have to have some kind of global control. British Empire v2. Hang on - you could be on to something. Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that? your second sentence being the difference between the two situations, Russia invaded Ukraine on one mans whim,........ somehow the impression i get is that Russia is being hosted quite generously by Syria
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 15, 2022 22:06:00 GMT
Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that? your second sentence being the difference between the two situations, Russia invaded Ukraine on one mans whim,........ somehow the impression i get is that Russia is being hosted quite generously by Syria Cue oldie doing yet more sixpence dancing. Do I need to repeat myself (yet again) that Syria is not in Europe? Though to be fair some people think the Elgin marbles were from Italy. Not everyone has a GCSE in geography. Or history. Apparently.
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Post by baselswh on Apr 16, 2022 7:39:55 GMT
This awful war has exposed the champagne socialist gobby liberal types like Oldie.
Ever since the Government asked Britons to consider inviting Ukrainian war refugees into their homes for 6 months or so,these lib hypocrites have been caught out and their main excuse has been a pathetic 'what about Syrians and Africans'?
Or eg,'Ukrainians don't like black people as much as I do'!
Haha!
Have you cleared the champagne bottles out of your spare rooms yet Oldie?
Come on,you know how you think meeting foreigners will make Gloucestershire country folk better.
Not as good as you obviously, but better.
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 10:39:15 GMT
Which leads me back nicely to my point. Why are we we differentiating between Ukraine and countries such as as Syria? Both have been subject to Russian military action. As of today, or maybe sometime soon, Ukranian asylum seeking refugees will be welcomed by the government to the UK (subject of course to normal Tory incompetence) and Syrians will be shipped to Rwanda. Can you explain that? your second sentence being the difference between the two situations, Russia invaded Ukraine on one mans whim,........ somehow the impression i get is that Russia is being hosted quite generously by Syria Oh my effing god
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 10:42:43 GMT
your second sentence being the difference between the two situations, Russia invaded Ukraine on one mans whim,........ somehow the impression i get is that Russia is being hosted quite generously by Syria Cue oldie doing yet more sixpence dancing. Do I need to repeat myself (yet again) that Syria is not in Europe? Though to be fair some people think the Elgin marbles were from Italy. Not everyone has a GCSE in geography. Or history. Apparently. What difference does it make which part of the world you are from if you are a refugee? The folks in Aleppo who were chemical bombed by the Russian/Syrian Government are in at least as bad situation as the Ukranians who are being bombed by the Russians.
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 10:54:09 GMT
So we set up a system for Ukranians, but only them? You guys are dancing on a sixpence and you know it. No, you are the one who is attempting to make this a national/racist issue which is quite contemptible.. The rules are there for everyone. The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process. The boat people rock up with no passports, no paperwork and they will tell lies about their ages or where they come from. They can be nearly impossible to identify so therefore cannot be checked off from any security lists. By processing them in Rwanda we remove the security risk to the British people and it will also drastically reduce the flow across the Channel, which will save lives. Genuine asylum seekers can be identified and processed. People so say fleeing for their lives will surely not be worried about a delay in getting to the UK would they? After all, the boat people have already imposed their own delay by moving through many safe European countries to reach the Channel. "The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 16, 2022 11:11:51 GMT
Oldie, what would be your view if Russian's started to arrive on the boats from France, with no paperwork and no way of identifying them? They could very well be murderers and rapists.
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 16, 2022 11:14:07 GMT
No, you are the one who is attempting to make this a national/racist issue which is quite contemptible.. The rules are there for everyone. The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process. The boat people rock up with no passports, no paperwork and they will tell lies about their ages or where they come from. They can be nearly impossible to identify so therefore cannot be checked off from any security lists. By processing them in Rwanda we remove the security risk to the British people and it will also drastically reduce the flow across the Channel, which will save lives. Genuine asylum seekers can be identified and processed. People so say fleeing for their lives will surely not be worried about a delay in getting to the UK would they? After all, the boat people have already imposed their own delay by moving through many safe European countries to reach the Channel. "The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400. Terrible argument Oldie. Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan & Iraq are all relatively close to Syria. Not sure about your number for Germany either.
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 11:23:32 GMT
"The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400. Terrible argument Oldie. Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan & Iraq are all relatively close to Syria. Not sure about your number for Germany either. How so? barring Turkey and Germany, most of those countries are very ill equipped economically to take them in. But take them in they did. As you are fixated on geographic proximity, Sweden: 115,000 Austria: 58,000 Greece: 38,000 Netherlands: 38,000 France: 23,500 Switzerland: 20,000 Bulgaria, yes, Bulgaria!!:19,000 UK: 11,400. We are being swamped I tell you, swamped. 🤭🤭🤭 Of course to some they feel that's true. 😂😂
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 16, 2022 11:24:49 GMT
No, you are the one who is attempting to make this a national/racist issue which is quite contemptible.. The rules are there for everyone. The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process. The boat people rock up with no passports, no paperwork and they will tell lies about their ages or where they come from. They can be nearly impossible to identify so therefore cannot be checked off from any security lists. By processing them in Rwanda we remove the security risk to the British people and it will also drastically reduce the flow across the Channel, which will save lives. Genuine asylum seekers can be identified and processed. People so say fleeing for their lives will surely not be worried about a delay in getting to the UK would they? After all, the boat people have already imposed their own delay by moving through many safe European countries to reach the Channel. "The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400. France not on your list then.funnily enough nor is Russia?!!.... there's two rather large countries open for expansion............. BBC radio 5, last evening with Stephen Nolan, have a listen to his podcast between 22:00 an 23:00 ....or just keep searching for your anti british stance on things
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 11:28:15 GMT
"The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400. France not on your list then.funnily enough nor is Russia?!!.... there's two rather large countries open for expansion............. BBC radio 5, last evening with Stephen Nolan, have a listen to his podcast between 22:00 an 23:00 ....or just keep searching for your anti british stance on things Keep up. I posted up the European figures.
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 11:30:44 GMT
"The current influx of Ukrainians probably have their passports and paperwork. They are easy to identify, and be checked off of any security lists. There are Home Office staff in countries like Poland who can process them and therefore expedite the process." Strange then that our Government has made such a pig's ear of processing them then. The rest of that is just nonsense. Just take note of the number of Syrian refugees in the countries that have taken them in. As of end 2020 Turkey: 3,600,000 Lebanon: 851,000 Jordan: 668,000 Germany: 616,000 Iraq: 345,000 And then the UK. 11,400. Let's just repeat that. 11,400. France not on your list then.funnily enough nor is Russia?!!.... there's two rather large countries open for expansion............. BBC radio 5, last evening with Stephen Nolan, have a listen to his podcast between 22:00 an 23:00 ....or just keep searching for your anti british stance on things I just realised that you mentioned Russia. You cannot be that ill informed can you, surely?
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Post by lostinspace on Apr 16, 2022 11:37:17 GMT
France not on your list then.funnily enough nor is Russia?!!.... there's two rather large countries open for expansion............. BBC radio 5, last evening with Stephen Nolan, have a listen to his podcast between 22:00 an 23:00 ....or just keep searching for your anti british stance on things Keep up. I posted up the European figures. So ..Let's look at France as you have mentioned them..23,000 odd !! ..the UK fits into France several times over,so in consideration of that the numbers are pretty good,but not good enough for you ... obviously . You may be PM one day alongside Kier.in coalition...in your dreams ☁️
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Post by oldie on Apr 16, 2022 11:45:35 GMT
Keep up. I posted up the European figures. So ..Let's look at France as you have mentioned them..23,000 odd !! ..the UK fits into France several times over,so in consideration of that the numbers are pretty good,but not good enough for you ... obviously . You may be PM one day alongside Kier.in coalition...in your dreams ☁️ My goodness 😂😂😂😂
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