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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 11, 2022 10:45:31 GMT
Ha ha - be afraid, be very afraid!  I actually think it can sometimes be unpleasant for young females going to football matches these days, more so than it was in my youth. Social media has not only created keyboard warriors, but also a generation who think that's it acceptable to say whatever they want when they're out in the real world - some of which can be very unpleasant and personal. Back in the day we would get mild banter, and could often respond with a witty put-down remark, but there was no malice. šš I can imagine it can be "unpleasant" for young females sometimes.It certainly can be for males. The Mem must be a place women feel safe and comfortable.Full stop. I like the 'Gashead girls club' idea Vaughan posted about. This sticker business, I think must be the work of a tiny minority. Mostly lord by one older woman, who really should know better but she lives her life through the club, i actually like her but she can be cruel, lead crusades and her life is vicariously led. I have engaged in conversation with her, if she likes you then all is fine but god forbid if you get on her wrong side. I wish i could offer some kind of help but i know i would then be onto a vicious argument, one that has no end |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 11, 2022 10:47:13 GMT
A few quotes: Forget the glass slippers. This princess wears cleats. Soccer. Invented by men, perfected by women. Although she be but little, she is fierce. Keep working, even when no one is watching. Don't let anyone work harder than you. My coach said I run like a girl. And I said if he ran a little faster he could too. You're going to make mistakes in life. It's what you do after the mistakes that counts. I've never scored a goal in my life without getting a pass from someone else. One of my favorite things about soccer is how the art and the passion of the game somehow unites people and nations and classes and races. Athletes are extremists. When they're training, it's laser focus. Just shows that girls can take more than three steps in their knickers before they have to pass the ball Fantastic post, many thanks |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 11, 2022 10:50:40 GMT
These stickers show there is a need for the HGT,although those against the Ladies game or just being stupid are surely very few in number. I tried to find the poster(well done to her or him) that pointed out football is now the favourite sport for women to play.More women play football than any other sport in our UK. This grass roots good news surely means a strong foundation for the Ladies game to organically grow. The top Ladies division were averaging reasonable crowds,I don't know this seasons but a year or so ago it was around 2300. England internationals at Wembley attract very big crowds. There is regular media coverage. It looks in pretty good nick to me. Nowhere near as many as in several other countries. Each time i have visited the US of A, they have literally thousands of girls playing and , by its very nature, their female national team are really very skilful. One of the few i will stop and watch |
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Post by vaughan on Apr 11, 2022 18:30:53 GMT
I was only joking. You are the only girl / lady / female that I can think of on this Forum. Let's have a debate about that. It will kill a few days. Your character, on both forums is so full on. You either go , absolutely, one way or the other. I am genuinely sorry to bring this up again but you used to be extreme anti Wael then the polar opposite. I have no doubt you are a decent guy in reality but it seems like you even enjoy provocation and that factors in sarcasm.Ā I can be extreme but i am persistent , not diverted by the owner, whispering kind words and rarely change my stance, it doesnāt make me popular but i am not on this planet to be liked.Ā Iād be very interested to meet you and talk, you do talk much sense but, mostly, in a sardonic manner, is this really necessary fella ? if you are up for a meet and chat, over a drink of your choice, Iād welcome that as many of us never know who we are writing to/with.Ā I would really be interested in how you came to your damascene transition, who knows, maybe you will even convert me as i do listen but i also ALWAYS question motive and agenda. You seem content with a few well placed assurances.Ā We are all different, thank the good lord but sometime you border on cruelty, that is how it comes across to me and also you write as if the person you reply to, is lesser than, very condescending. Just my opinion, do you think we all come here to waste time, really ?Ā I will ask you a question, why do you come here ? i will buy the drinks, no problem. Ā I have always been off the opinion that both fora would be much better IF we knew the other people we correspond with as it is much more difficult to be so patronising , when you have knowledge of the other. The offer is openā¦health permitting.Ā RegardsĀ Julian Stefan PirogĀ New Cheltenham road kingswood Have ticket for West Enclosure this Friday and will be in Bristol Room of Supporters Club after the game. Always happy to chat. |
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Post by dinsdale on Apr 11, 2022 20:12:46 GMT
Big fan of any anti sexism campaign in football as a father of a 4 year old daughter i hope will enjoy the game.
This whole stickergate thing feels like a massive disproportionate reaction to me. Its a child printing a stupid sticker thats literally it. The reactions and condolences etc have been a bit ott for a club that openly refers to domestic abuse as victimless and hires a manager that gets pissed up and assaults his wife and the club and entire fanbase including her game too shrug their shoulders.
Statement of condemnation for a sticker. Fan outrage for a sticker. Nobody at all at the club or involved at the club or anti sexism groups have done diddly squat about a proper serious issue. Thats most likely because the consequence of actually doing something constructive is a price they dont want to pay where as feigning outrage at a sticker is a high sympathy low consequence thing to do.
Sorry but what a load of bollocks. Change starts with the culture at the top and the commitment of the fans
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Post by swissgas on Apr 11, 2022 21:42:44 GMT
Big fan of any anti sexism campaign in football as a father of a 4 year old daughter i hope will enjoy the game. This whole stickergate thing feels like a massive disproportionate reaction to me. Its a child printing a stupid sticker thats literally it. The reactions and condolences etc have been a bit ott for a club that openly refers to domestic abuse as victimless and hires a manager that gets pissed up and assaults his wife and the club and entire fanbase including her game too shrug their shoulders. Statement of condemnation for a sticker. Fan outrage for a sticker. Nobody at all at the club or involved at the club or anti sexism groups have done diddly squat about a proper serious issue. Thats most likely because the consequence of actually doing something constructive is a price they dont want to pay where as feigning outrage at a sticker is a high sympathy low consequence thing to do. Sorry but what a load of bollocks. Change starts with the culture at the top and the commitment of the fans Well I'd love to offer support dinsdale but have just been on Gaschat and see the National Socialist German Workers Party has been thrown at you so will elect to stay out of it. There was a time when John Cleese and Co could fool around at a rally in Minehead and threaten Bridgwater with an anschluss but everything has changed now. Since the days of Monty Python I've married into a family which included actual members of the real Nazi Party (one former Hitler Youth member still going at 93) and also spent a lot of time in Communist East Germany so have some idea about what constituted "negative and derogatory material" under those kind of regimes. Things like "let's set fire to the Reichstag" or "Let's knock down the wall " spring to mind but not necessarily anything like this sticker which I eventually found on the other forum. Still, you've got to start somewhere I suppose.  |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 11, 2022 22:04:22 GMT
Big fan of any anti sexism campaign in football as a father of a 4 year old daughter i hope will enjoy the game. This whole stickergate thing feels like a massive disproportionate reaction to me. Its a child printing a stupid sticker thats literally it. The reactions and condolences etc have been a bit ott for a club that openly refers to domestic abuse as victimless and hires a manager that gets pissed up and assaults his wife and the club and entire fanbase including her game too shrug their shoulders. Statement of condemnation for a sticker. Fan outrage for a sticker. Nobody at all at the club or involved at the club or anti sexism groups have done diddly squat about a proper serious issue. Thats most likely because the consequence of actually doing something constructive is a price they dont want to pay where as feigning outrage at a sticker is a high sympathy low consequence thing to do. Sorry but what a load of bollocks. Change starts with the culture at the top and the commitment of the fans Well I'd love to offer support dinsdale but have just been on Gaschat and see the National Socialist German Workers Party has been thrown at you so will elect to stay out of it. There was a time when John Cleese and Co could fool around at a rally in Minehead and threaten Bridgwater with an anschluss but everything has changed now.Ā Since the days of Monty Python I've married into a family which included actual members of the real Nazi Party (one former Hitler Youth member still going at 93) and also spent a lot of time in Communist East Germany so have some idea about what constituted "negative and derogatory material" under those kind of regimes. Things like "let's set fire to the Reichstag" or "Let's knock down the wall " spring to mind but not necessarily anything like this sticker which I eventually found on the other forum. Still, you've got to start somewhere I suppose.Ā Ā Ā View AttachmentSwiss stays neutral shocker! |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 12, 2022 8:07:30 GMT
When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while.
I mean, at the curry night, do we really want to introduce the wives? We have to tone down the swearing, the anarchic banter. Every guy suddenly has to think of his wifeās opinion. Also, with the opposite sex, invariably we will start competing in some ways. Then on the way back, any man who is Ā£5 better off than me or has a newer reg car, my wife will drop subtle hints as to how I should be doing as well as James or Bob.
Similarly, at her nights, she really doesnāt want me there! They can express themselves as they wish without judgement or potential arguments. She can moan about me and her friends can moan about their partners!
Now, to football.
All my life, anyone has been welcome. My sister and I went with my dad in the 80s and everyone was kind to my sister. Nobody told her āthis is a manās game - go home. Hur hur hurā
I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeā
I could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights.
Given women are free to attend, whatās the campaign about? To stop the odd idiot shouting āget yet millers ootā? I mean, I doubt my sister would go home in tears. One comment online the other day, a man said he went with his daughter and someone shouted āitās a manās game ref!ā This was interpreted as āno women allowedā when it was clearly meant to say āthese are two grown men and heās not battling someone whoās 5 stone lighter- let them fight it outā type thing.
My daughter loves the ball. Sheās aged 2. One day she might express an interest in football and Iāll take her. Or encourage her to play - if she wants to. What I wonāt do is insist. If sheās into makeup and stuff like her mum, so be it.
Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily.
Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want.
Encourage participation where possible, but I donāt see any barrier to women coming. These campaigns seem to be more about.
I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 12, 2022 8:26:33 GMT
Your character, on both forums is so full on. You either go , absolutely, one way or the other. I am genuinely sorry to bring this up again but you used to be extreme anti Wael then the polar opposite. I have no doubt you are a decent guy in reality but it seems like you even enjoy provocation and that factors in sarcasm. I can be extreme but i am persistent , not diverted by the owner, whispering kind words and rarely change my stance, it doesnāt make me popular but i am not on this planet to be liked. Iād be very interested to meet you and talk, you do talk much sense but, mostly, in a sardonic manner, is this really necessary fella ? if you are up for a meet and chat, over a drink of your choice, Iād welcome that as many of us never know who we are writing to/with. I would really be interested in how you came to your damascene transition, who knows, maybe you will even convert me as i do listen but i also ALWAYS question motive and agenda. You seem content with a few well placed assurances. We are all different, thank the good lord but sometime you border on cruelty, that is how it comes across to me and also you write as if the person you reply to, is lesser than, very condescending. Just my opinion, do you think we all come here to waste time, really ? I will ask you a question, why do you come here ? i will buy the drinks, no problem. I have always been off the opinion that both fora would be much better IF we knew the other people we correspond with as it is much more difficult to be so patronising , when you have knowledge of the other. The offer is openā¦health permitting. Regards Julian Stefan Pirog New Cheltenham road kingswood Have ticket for West Enclosure this Friday and will be in Bristol Room of Supporters Club after the game. Always happy to chat. Will do my utmost. Not SC but not sure if bristol room is SC only. Will PM will number |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 12, 2022 8:39:46 GMT
When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while. I mean, at the curry night, do we really want to introduce the wives? We have to tone down the swearing, the anarchic banter. Every guy suddenly has to think of his wifeās opinion. Also, with the opposite sex, invariably we will start competing in some ways. Then on the way back, any man who is Ā£5 better off than me or has a newer reg car, my wife will drop subtle hints as to how I should be doing as well as James or Bob. Similarly, at her nights, she really doesnāt want me there! They can express themselves as they wish without judgement or potential arguments. She can moan about me and her friends can moan about their partners! Now, to football. All my life, anyone has been welcome. My sister and I went with my dad in the 80s and everyone was kind to my sister. Nobody told her āthis is a manās game - go home. Hur hur hurā I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeā I could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights. Given women are free to attend, whatās the campaign about? To stop the odd idiot shouting āget yet millers ootā? I mean, I doubt my sister would go home in tears. One comment online the other day, a man said he went with his daughter and someone shouted āitās a manās game ref!ā This was interpreted as āno women allowedā when it was clearly meant to say āthese are two grown men and heās not battling someone whoās 5 stone lighter- let them fight it outā type thing. My daughter loves the ball. Sheās aged 2. One day she might express an interest in football and Iāll take her. Or encourage her to play - if she wants to. What I wonāt do is insist. If sheās into makeup and stuff like her mum, so be it. Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily. Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want. Encourage participation where possible, but I donāt see any barrier to women coming. These campaigns seem to be more about. I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death! With greatest of respect, canāt you feck off back to Gaschat and continue trolling their thread? Weāve got enough dinosaurs on here already. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 12, 2022 8:43:33 GMT
When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while. I mean, at the curry night, do we really want to introduce the wives? We have to tone down the swearing, the anarchic banter. Every guy suddenly has to think of his wifeās opinion. Also, with the opposite sex, invariably we will start competing in some ways. Then on the way back, any man who is Ā£5 better off than me or has a newer reg car, my wife will drop subtle hints as to how I should be doing as well as James or Bob. Similarly, at her nights, she really doesnāt want me there! They can express themselves as they wish without judgement or potential arguments. She can moan about me and her friends can moan about their partners! Now, to football. All my life, anyone has been welcome. My sister and I went with my dad in the 80s and everyone was kind to my sister. Nobody told her āthis is a manās game - go home. Hur hur hurā I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeā I could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights. Given women are free to attend, whatās the campaign about? To stop the odd idiot shouting āget yet millers ootā? I mean, I doubt my sister would go home in tears. One comment online the other day, a man said he went with his daughter and someone shouted āitās a manās game ref!ā This was interpreted as āno women allowedā when it was clearly meant to say āthese are two grown men and heās not battling someone whoās 5 stone lighter- let them fight it outā type thing. My daughter loves the ball. Sheās aged 2. One day she might express an interest in football and Iāll take her. Or encourage her to play - if she wants to. What I wonāt do is insist. If sheās into makeup and stuff like her mum, so be it. Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily. Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want. Encourage participation where possible, but I donāt see any barrier to women coming. These campaigns seem to be more about. I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death! Totally with you my forum mucker. Many will not like this due to the nature of political correctness but i read that and can relate, completely. My Mrs actually sighs from relief when i go to football, she then has her own friends here and they take the Mickey out of us blokes and , normally, about between the sheets performances or lack thereof š |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 12, 2022 8:46:45 GMT
When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while. I mean, at the curry night, do we really want to introduce the wives? We have to tone down the swearing, the anarchic banter. Every guy suddenly has to think of his wifeās opinion. Also, with the opposite sex, invariably we will start competing in some ways. Then on the way back, any man who is Ā£5 better off than me or has a newer reg car, my wife will drop subtle hints as to how I should be doing as well as James or Bob. Similarly, at her nights, she really doesnāt want me there! They can express themselves as they wish without judgement or potential arguments. She can moan about me and her friends can moan about their partners! Now, to football. All my life, anyone has been welcome. My sister and I went with my dad in the 80s and everyone was kind to my sister. Nobody told her āthis is a manās game - go home. Hur hur hurā I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeā I could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights. Given women are free to attend, whatās the campaign about? To stop the odd idiot shouting āget yet millers ootā? I mean, I doubt my sister would go home in tears. One comment online the other day, a man said he went with his daughter and someone shouted āitās a manās game ref!ā This was interpreted as āno women allowedā when it was clearly meant to say āthese are two grown men and heās not battling someone whoās 5 stone lighter- let them fight it outā type thing. My daughter loves the ball. Sheās aged 2. One day she might express an interest in football and Iāll take her. Or encourage her to play - if she wants to. What I wonāt do is insist. If sheās into makeup and stuff like her mum, so be it. Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily. Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want. Encourage participation where possible, but I donāt see any barrier to women coming. These campaigns seem to be more about. I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death! With greatest of respect, canāt you feck off back to Gaschat and continue trolling their thread? Weāve got enough dinosaurs on here already. Not necessary and we should welcome views, of all kinds. Not like we having a thriving forum as it is, think about the person who pays for it and probably thinks is it worth it. Open and frank discussion, as long as itās not rude nor abusive, should be welcomed and not told to F off. Have a word with yourself, please. The irony is that, by telling another to do so, makes you the dinosaur if anything |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 12, 2022 8:59:02 GMT
With greatest of respect, canāt you feck off back to Gaschat and continue trolling their thread? Weāve got enough dinosaurs on here already. Not necessary and we should welcome views, of all kinds. Not like we having a thriving forum as it is, think about the person who pays for it and probably thinks is it worth it.Ā Open and frank discussion, as long as itās not rude nor abusive, should be welcomed and not told to F off.Ā Have a word with yourself, please.Ā The irony is that, by telling another to do sod, makes you the dinosaur if anythingĀ Iāve had a word with myself and Iām doing just fine, thanks for suggesting it. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 9:15:55 GMT
Not necessary and we should welcome views, of all kinds. Not like we having a thriving forum as it is, think about the person who pays for it and probably thinks is it worth it. Open and frank discussion, as long as itās not rude nor abusive, should be welcomed and not told to F off. Have a word with yourself, please. The irony is that, by telling another to do sod, makes you the dinosaur if anything Iāve had a word with myself and Iām doing just fine, thanks for suggesting it. If we could stick to debating the point that would be lovely Father. That way you could might be able to influence how people think. Even dinosaurs. |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 12, 2022 9:20:22 GMT
Iāve had a word with myself and Iām doing just fine, thanks for suggesting it. If we could stick to debating the point that would be lovely Father. That way you could might be able to influence how people think. Even dinosaurs. ive just replied to a load of misogynistic, out of date nonsense, and Iām the one who is in the wrong? If you look at Gaschat they descend very quickly into discussing porn. If thatās what you want then thatās fine š¤·āāļø |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 12, 2022 9:29:27 GMT
When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while. I mean, at the curry night, do we really want to introduce the wives? We have to tone down the swearing, the anarchic banter. Every guy suddenly has to think of his wifeās opinion. Also, with the opposite sex, invariably we will start competing in some ways. Then on the way back, any man who is Ā£5 better off than me or has a newer reg car, my wife will drop subtle hints as to how I should be doing as well as James or Bob. Similarly, at her nights, she really doesnāt want me there! They can express themselves as they wish without judgement or potential arguments. She can moan about me and her friends can moan about their partners! Now, to football. All my life, anyone has been welcome. My sister and I went with my dad in the 80s and everyone was kind to my sister. Nobody told her āthis is a manās game - go home. Hur hur hurā I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeā I could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights. Given women are free to attend, whatās the campaign about? To stop the odd idiot shouting āget yet millers ootā? I mean, I doubt my sister would go home in tears. One comment online the other day, a man said he went with his daughter and someone shouted āitās a manās game ref!ā This was interpreted as āno women allowedā when it was clearly meant to say āthese are two grown men and heās not battling someone whoās 5 stone lighter- let them fight it outā type thing. My daughter loves the ball. Sheās aged 2. One day she might express an interest in football and Iāll take her. Or encourage her to play - if she wants to. What I wonāt do is insist. If sheās into makeup and stuff like her mum, so be it. Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily. Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want. Encourage participation where possible, but I donāt see any barrier to women coming. These campaigns seem to be more about. I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death! With greatest of respect, canāt you feck off back to Gaschat and continue trolling their thread? Weāve got enough dinosaurs on here already. Quite confused as to whatās so offensive about that to get told to feck off? Would you care to expand? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Apr 12, 2022 10:30:47 GMT
1) When I go to my kind of middle aged menās curry nights and whatnot, and my wife goes out to her friends things, generally we appreciate the company of our own sex for a short while. 2) I think the fear is with these campaigns is itās not debating the inclusion of women, itās the narrative of āmaking it a more welcoming placeāI could interpret this as āless shouting. Less swearing. Less edgy banterā - all the things why I donāt invite my wife to my curry nights. 3) Most of the women Iāve known didnāt like football because of a glass ceiling, they just didnāt enjoy it. Most cultures around the world, sport is a male interest primarily. 4) Hence if I take her to the football, itās not my concern if one game in 20 some berk shouts something rude or sexist, itās on me to tell my daughter that this is how men act and bond and itās not on me to shape the behaviour of 6000 men to suit what I want.
5) I get people want to get more girls to the game and thatās fine, but the angry shouty man is what makes football such a cauldron and such fine entertainment and atmosphere. My fear is if we sanitise it to the level for 11 year old girls we will end up with a rugby atmosphere and lose whatās great and slightly dangerous abojt the game. That edginess which makes the result seem life and death! 1) So you are basically saying let's keep everybody separate 2) Why shouldn't football grounds be more inviting? Or do you want to take them back to places of a bit of thuggery just for the lads 3) Most cultures ... male interest. And why is that exactly? Precisely the reason to make sport more open for all or do you want to keep it like Saudi Arabia and keep the good woman at home or tea parties? 4) So we shouldn't seek to change anything as it's not our job to stop Neanderthals acting like Neanderthals? Shall we let them shout their homophobic, racist, sexist chants and have an attitude of anti female inclusion in football then because you don't want to support change of anything! 5) Rugby matches are hardly sanitised but in most cases everyone is welcome and they still have sweary old men. They just don't want to keep women out like you seem to. If you don't like that attitude then perhaps a bit of dog fighting is better for you my friend where men can be men...... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 11:12:45 GMT
The 19th century called - they want their misogyny back.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 11:20:08 GMT
If we could stick to debating the point that would be lovely Father. That way you could might be able to influence how people think. Even dinosaurs. ive just replied to a load of misogynistic, out of date nonsense, and Iām the one who is in the wrong? If you look at Gaschat they descend very quickly into discussing porn. If thatās what you want then thatās fine š¤·āāļø No, you're not in the wrong Father - I just think debating a point is better than name-calling. And I don't look at Gaschat. If that's what it's like then thank god I don't. |
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Post by vaughan on Apr 12, 2022 11:39:51 GMT
What a thread!!!
Do you remember when in 70s and 80s Discos, the girls toilets were always nicer and they would group together for a natter. The sort of behaviour aka group identity that has been going on for centuries. It made them feel better, but they still came out to dance with the opposite sex. They often got in the same boat as us (Oops upside your head - Gap Band).
That's what I am suggesting. Not changing behaviours, but better facilities, not only for wees and natters. Make it a better place and more of them might come.
I like Caz a lot. She is just the role-model we need to make football seem more attractive to women.
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