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Post by eppinggas on Apr 8, 2022 9:11:34 GMT
A month ago Macron was nailed on. Couldn't lose. His closest challenger was Marie Le Pen of the right. She was 20-1. No hoper.
A war is usually 'good' for an incumbent. Ask Boris! Partygate? Eh? What's that?
The odds on Le Pen winning are now 3-1. Could be a close one.
Trump / Brexit / Boris landslide / Le Pen winning the French Presidency? Almost unthinkable.
Guardian readers in the People's Republic of Islington must be spitting out their lattes.
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Post by baselswh on Apr 8, 2022 16:22:46 GMT
A month ago Macron was nailed on. Couldn't lose. His closest challenger was Marie Le Pen of the right. She was 20-1. No hoper. A war is usually 'good' for an incumbent. Ask Boris! Partygate? Eh? What's that? The odds on Le Pen winning are now 3-1. Could be a close one. Trump / Brexit / Boris landslide / Le Pen winning the French Presidency? Almost unthinkable. Guardian readers in the People's Republic of Islington must be spitting out their lattes. In the scenario Le Pen won ( I don't think it'll happen) ,I suppose our media will begin to pronounce Paris, 'Paree'. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 8, 2022 17:16:19 GMT
A month ago Macron was nailed on. Couldn't lose. His closest challenger was Marie Le Pen of the right. She was 20-1. No hoper. A war is usually 'good' for an incumbent. Ask Boris! Partygate? Eh? What's that? The odds on Le Pen winning are now 3-1. Could be a close one. Trump / Brexit / Boris landslide / Le Pen winning the French Presidency? Almost unthinkable. Guardian readers in the People's Republic of Islington must be spitting out their lattes. Amazing. When you have absolute evidence of what voting for right wing fascists delivers. Just ask the poor people of Ukraine. Ask what voting for a populist numb nut like Johnson delivers to the people in the queue at a food Bank in the UK. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 8, 2022 17:23:31 GMT
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Post by oldie on Apr 8, 2022 17:26:09 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Apr 8, 2022 18:13:21 GMT
Have you read Gulag Archipelago Oldie?I've a copy,I've not started it yet,but there's your Lefty 'fun'. Just to make it known,the furthest Right I have voted is Conservative in the last election.This to get Brexit over the line and save our democracy. I voted for Corbyn to be Labour leader in the first leadership election.I was a member of the transport union.One of 'Len-in Mcluskeys' boys as I liked to say.That's as far Left as i've gone. At work in Basel once upon a time ,at dinner break, i was chatting to a French colleague from the Alsace.Many "Alsacians' work in Basel.He told me of the metal plate protecting his brain after an African had caved his skull in.The last thing he remembered was hearing "leave the woman",his wife.He was too frightened to leave his home for about a year. I imagine he might vote Le Penn. Those sick of Islam of course.This covers alot. Nationalists. Maybe those that are so sick of Macron they'll risk the Right. Usual. Etc. |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 8, 2022 18:18:02 GMT
The Big Issue. Was'nt that begun to help British homeless men? It looks like some kind of Rumanian racket these days.Buy all the copies up.Send out your 'homeless' Romanian women ,then take the lions share of their takings. Nice. Bugger the homeless. |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 9, 2022 11:18:22 GMT
In the scenario Le Penn won,it would be a massive shock all around the world.
EU leaders would be fainting all over Brussels.
Once the smelling salts had been passed around,would President Le Penn offer the French a choice of leaving the EU or staying?
Or would Frexit be too unpopular in France?
Edit.
Apparently Le Penn has said she will not seek for a Frexit.
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Post by baselswh on Apr 10, 2022 6:37:05 GMT
Apparently many young French are considering voting Le Penn and generally older French for Macron.
Is there a feeling of inevitability in France,that sooner or later the Far Right gain power?
I think it probable Macron will win.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 10, 2022 8:47:56 GMT
Apparently many young French are considering voting Le Penn and generally older French for Macron. Is there a feeling of inevitability in France,that sooner or later the Far Right gain power? I think it probable Macron will win. Interesting. Usually the younger demographic are left leaning. I've been hearing (only for the last 40 years) that as UK youth generally vote Labour that this will inevitably lead to successive socialist Governments in the future. What actually happens is that when people grow up, they tend to move to the right. The wisdom of age. There hasn't been a socialist Government since the 70's. Cue Oldie.  . |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 10, 2022 12:17:09 GMT
Apparently many young French are considering voting Le Penn and generally older French for Macron. Is there a feeling of inevitability in France,that sooner or later the Far Right gain power? I think it probable Macron will win. Interesting. Usually the younger demographic are left leaning. I've been hearing (only for the last 40 years) that as UK youth generally vote Labour that this will inevitably lead to successive socialist Governments in the future. What actually happens is that when people grow up, they tend to move to the right. The wisdom of age. There hasn't been a socialist Government since the 70's. Cue Oldie. . A low turn out is a worry for Macron. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 10, 2022 14:30:04 GMT
Apparently many young French are considering voting Le Penn and generally older French for Macron. Is there a feeling of inevitability in France,that sooner or later the Far Right gain power? I think it probable Macron will win. Interesting. Usually the younger demographic are left leaning. I've been hearing (only for the last 40 years) that as UK youth generally vote Labour that this will inevitably lead to successive socialist Governments in the future. What actually happens is that when people grow up, they tend to move to the right. The wisdom of age. There hasn't been a socialist Government since the 70's. Cue Oldie. . There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. |
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Post by baselswh on Apr 10, 2022 19:45:38 GMT
So a relatively comfortable 1st round win for Macron.
Le Penn will join him in round 2.
Both parties seem happy enough so far.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 8:47:14 GMT
Macron best odds now 1-7. Le Pen easing a little to 5-1. Good read here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61061359I was watching the rolling news on Sunday evening. Media were kept waiting for Macron as he sped through Paris with about 20 motorcycles in full Presidential cavalcade, roads blocked off. Kept the world waiting for his 'victory' speech. That sight may play out OK in Paris - bit like London, pro-EU, left leaning, metrosexual latte drinkers, doing very nicely out of the status quo, thank you very much. Not sure how it looks to the pissed off people out in the provinces. I think it will be a lot closer than the bookies have it. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 9:06:34 GMT
Interesting. Usually the younger demographic are left leaning. I've been hearing (only for the last 40 years) that as UK youth generally vote Labour that this will inevitably lead to successive socialist Governments in the future. What actually happens is that when people grow up, they tend to move to the right. The wisdom of age. There hasn't been a socialist Government since the 70's. Cue Oldie. . There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. Surely you would concede (go on, try it, it's an interesting concept) that the Wilson administration was socialist. We both lived through it. And that is why it sends a shiver down the back of the older electorate. As we know the UK went bankrupt, forced cap in hand to the IMF. The Unions were running riot and running manufacturing (into the ground). Ushering in 18 years of Tory rule. My point is that anything perceived as 'far-left' is inextricably linked to socialist policy and is utterly unelectable. Ask Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. The only way Labour will gain power again is by moving towards the centre. With dinosaurs like Len McCluskey still pulling the strings and Raynor as Deputy Leader - Labour will not be elected. Even with a buffoon like Boris in charge. Odds on Boris being removed from power in 2022 now 5-2. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 12, 2022 12:01:06 GMT
There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. Surely you would concede (go on, try it, it's an interesting concept) that the Wilson administration was socialist. We both lived through it. And that is why it sends a shiver down the back of the older electorate. As we know the UK went bankrupt, forced cap in hand to the IMF. The Unions were running riot and running manufacturing (into the ground). Ushering in 18 years of Tory rule. My point is that anything perceived as 'far-left' is inextricably linked to socialist policy and is utterly unelectable. Ask Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. The only way Labour will gain power again is by moving towards the centre. With dinosaurs like Len McCluskey still pulling the strings and Raynor as Deputy Leader - Labour will not be elected. Even with a buffoon like Boris in charge. Odds on Boris being removed from power in 2022 now 5-2. Absolutely not. But I will come back to you, working at the moment |
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Post by Nobbygas on Apr 12, 2022 12:30:14 GMT
There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. Surely you would concede (go on, try it, it's an interesting concept) that the Wilson administration was socialist. We both lived through it. And that is why it sends a shiver down the back of the older electorate. As we know the UK went bankrupt, forced cap in hand to the IMF. The Unions were running riot and running manufacturing (into the ground). Ushering in 18 years of Tory rule. My point is that anything perceived as 'far-left' is inextricably linked to socialist policy and is utterly unelectable. Ask Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. The only way Labour will gain power again is by moving towards the centre. With dinosaurs like Len McCluskey still pulling the strings and Raynor as Deputy Leader - Labour will not be elected. Even with a buffoon like Boris in charge. Odds on Boris being removed from power in 2022 now 5-2. Spot on. Trump got elected mainly because of the opposition. Hilary Clinton was disliked by too many. Johnson got elected mainly because of the opposition. Corbyn was disliked by too many. Brexit happened because the EU was disliked by too many. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 12, 2022 13:05:17 GMT
Interesting. Usually the younger demographic are left leaning. I've been hearing (only for the last 40 years) that as UK youth generally vote Labour that this will inevitably lead to successive socialist Governments in the future. What actually happens is that when people grow up, they tend to move to the right. The wisdom of age. There hasn't been a socialist Government since the 70's. Cue Oldie. . There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. Clement Attlee.👍 |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 13:43:54 GMT
Surely you would concede (go on, try it, it's an interesting concept) that the Wilson administration was socialist. We both lived through it. And that is why it sends a shiver down the back of the older electorate. As we know the UK went bankrupt, forced cap in hand to the IMF. The Unions were running riot and running manufacturing (into the ground). Ushering in 18 years of Tory rule. My point is that anything perceived as 'far-left' is inextricably linked to socialist policy and is utterly unelectable. Ask Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. The only way Labour will gain power again is by moving towards the centre. With dinosaurs like Len McCluskey still pulling the strings and Raynor as Deputy Leader - Labour will not be elected. Even with a buffoon like Boris in charge. Odds on Boris being removed from power in 2022 now 5-2. (Edit 2022) Absolutely not. But I will come back to you, working at the moment I thought you'd retired! Catch up later, Sir. Even with Boris now charged for the No 10 parties - Odds on Boris being removed from power in 2022 tightened just a wee bit to 7-4. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 12, 2022 20:02:24 GMT
There has never been a true socialist government that has delivered for its constituents, ever. The reality is that it's now just a term that is thrown around by those that cannot successfully or coherently argue a case. It's about as relevant as the term "woke". Just look at the reasoning capacity of those that use that term on here. Clement Attlee.👍 . I thought someone would say that. The problem was that Maynard Keynes persuaded the Americans to fund their program. By 1950 that had fallen apart and we did not pay that sum back until 2006. The only thing that lasted was the NHS and Nye Bevan f**ked that up with the semi private provision of Primary Care. |
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