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Post by bluetornados on Jan 9, 2022 0:22:03 GMT
The UK has now gone through the 150k barrier with 313 deaths on today's figures making the total 150,057.
I don't want to say it but, with those figures and the infections going through the roof, should we be in a lockdown ?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 9, 2022 7:41:36 GMT
The UK has now gone through the 150k barrier with 313 deaths on today's figures making the total 150,057. I don't want to say it but, with those figures and the infections going through the roof, should we be in a lockdown ? No, is the simple answer. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 9, 2022 11:22:03 GMT
The UK has now gone through the 150k barrier with 313 deaths on today's figures making the total 150,057. I don't want to say it but, with those figures and the infections going through the roof, should we be in a lockdown ? in another year [non c19 times] there would be an estimated 20,000 / 30,000 deaths py of people with flu and other respiratory diseases, while not wishing to make light of the current situation, but it is surely a case of yourselves using a bit of common sense and try to avoid crowded enclosed areas and just making space where you can in shops or even in the open areas... but lockdown... no |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 12:10:40 GMT
My reading of this is that another lockdown won't work as people have reached their tolerance threshold with it.
Then there's the added problem which relates to what happened with prohibition in America.
People had no intention of observing that law, so not only do you criminalise a big % of the population, but the added difficulty is that, because people are put in a position where they are wilfully failing to observe one law, they now start to regard the rules for everything as a menu from which you choose which to observe and disregard others. This is pretty well documented with what happened in America.
Another lockdown would undoubtedly reduce infection and lower deaths, but it won't happen unless things get far more serious than they are right now.
Our best hope with this is that it continues to mutate into less serious strains.
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Post by icegas on Jan 9, 2022 15:45:13 GMT
My reading of this is that another lockdown won't work as people have reached their tolerance threshold with it. Then there's the added problem which relates to what happened with prohibition in America. People had no intention of observing that law, so not only do you criminalise a big % of the population, but the added difficulty is that, because people are put in a position where they are wilfully failing to observe one law, they now start to regard the rules for everything as a menu from which you choose which to observe and disregard others. This is pretty well documented with what happened in America. Another lockdown would undoubtedly reduce infection and lower deaths, but it won't happen unless things get far more serious than they are right now. Our best hope with this is that it continues to mutate into less serious strains. I can't see another lockdown happening unless a strain like SARS started up, but could spread like this one. With respect to all those that have passed since this started,think of the lives lost from not getting cancer treatment, and other life saving treatment due to the NHS putting Covid as it's main priority.? Another lockdown increases the suicide rate as well. My sister is waiting for an operation to remove her bladder and is in agony 24/7 but keeps having her op put back due to this. In October Covid was as low down in the UK as 16th or 24th as the biggest killer in the UK..I can't remember which, so it has to be put into some context. I've said this before on here but in December 2020 I was in Southmead Hospital for 3/4 days due to Covid and was in a very bad way. I had the use of less the 40% of my lungs. So believe me I'm not making light of this situation. |
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 9, 2022 19:47:55 GMT
My reading of this is that another lockdown won't work as people have reached their tolerance threshold with it. Then there's the added problem which relates to what happened with prohibition in America. People had no intention of observing that law, so not only do you criminalise a big % of the population, but the added difficulty is that, because people are put in a position where they are wilfully failing to observe one law, they now start to regard the rules for everything as a menu from which you choose which to observe and disregard others. This is pretty well documented with what happened in America. Another lockdown would undoubtedly reduce infection and lower deaths, but it won't happen unless things get far more serious than they are right now. Our best hope with this is that it continues to mutate into less serious strains. I can't see another lockdown happening unless a strain like SARS started up, but could spread like this one. With respect to all those that have passed since this started,think of the lives lost from not getting cancer treatment, and other life saving treatment due to the NHS putting Covid as it's main priority.? Another lockdown increases the suicide rate as well. My sister is waiting for an operation to remove her bladder and is in agony 24/7 but keeps having her op put back due to this. In October Covid was as low down in the UK as 16th or 24th as the biggest killer in the UK..I can't remember which, so it has to be put into some context. I've said this before on here but in December 2020 I was in Southmead Hospital for 3/4 days due to Covid and was in a very bad way. I had the use of less the 40% of my lungs. So believe me I'm not making light of this situation. Sorry to hear of your sister's troubles and cannot imagine the pain she is in, i hope she can get a date and have her operation soon. There have been many 'hospital' programmes on about people having their ops put back, we have watched most of them and are in tears at the end. Some have even turned up on the day, been prepped and wheeled in to theatre only to be thwarted at the very last second. I do hope there is not another lockdown, but it would not surprise me if there was. |
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Post by icegas on Jan 9, 2022 21:10:51 GMT
This 1min video by Joe Rogan sums this up completely.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 10, 2022 9:16:49 GMT
Not sure about Mr Rogan logic. Being double-jabbed and boosted means there is much less chance of hospitalisation and potentially death.
A vast majority of people in hospital with Covid are not vaccinated.
If they chose to listen to random Facebook pages and not the words of every eminent virologist in the world - then they are stupid.
Darwin's Law (survival of the fittest, most adaptable, most educated) and all that.
Omncron is 'great' (apologies to anyone who has suffered, or knows someone who has suffered with this strain).
After this highly transmissible and not very potent strain passes (already subsiding in London) we will have achieved herd immunity.
We will be the first nation on the planet back to some kind of normality.
UK Govt walked a very tight line just before Christmas - must have been a close call. Looked like they made the right one by not introducing tougher restrictions.
No more lockdowns or restrictions. And people would ignore them if they were implemented anyway.
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Post by oldie on Jan 10, 2022 9:32:26 GMT
Not sure about Mr Rogan logic. Being double-jabbed and boosted means there is much less chance of hospitalisation and potentially death. A vast majority of people in hospital with Covid are not vaccinated. If they chose to listen to random Facebook pages and not the words of every eminent virologist in the world - then they are stupid. Darwin's Law (survival of the fittest, most adaptable, most educated) and all that. Omncron is 'great' (apologies to anyone who has suffered, or knows someone who has suffered with this strain). After this highly transmissible and not very potent strain passes (already subsiding in London) we will have achieved herd immunity. We will be the first nation on the planet back to some kind of normality. UK Govt walked a very tight line just before Christmas - must have been a close call. Looked like they made the right one by not introducing tougher restrictions. No more lockdowns or restrictions. And people would ignore them if they were implemented anyway. I agree. It does appear that the risk taken may well turn out to be the right one. |
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 10, 2022 23:48:53 GMT
Not sure about Mr Rogan logic. Being double-jabbed and boosted means there is much less chance of hospitalisation and potentially death. A vast majority of people in hospital with Covid are not vaccinated. If they chose to listen to random Facebook pages and not the words of every eminent virologist in the world - then they are stupid. Darwin's Law (survival of the fittest, most adaptable, most educated) and all that. Omncron is 'great' (apologies to anyone who has suffered, or knows someone who has suffered with this strain). After this highly transmissible and not very potent strain passes (already subsiding in London) we will have achieved herd immunity. We will be the first nation on the planet back to some kind of normality. UK Govt walked a very tight line just before Christmas - must have been a close call. Looked like they made the right one by not introducing tougher restrictions. No more lockdowns or restrictions. And people would ignore them if they were implemented anyway. I agree. It does appear that the risk taken may well turn out to be the right one. Crikey - I missed that comment. Fair play oldie. Agreement! Whatever next... |
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2022 1:12:13 GMT
I agree. It does appear that the risk taken may well turn out to be the right one. Crikey - I missed that comment. Fair play oldie. Agreement! Whatever next... 😁😁 |
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Post by icegas on Jan 11, 2022 22:10:53 GMT
Crikey - I missed that comment. Fair play oldie. Agreement! Whatever next... 😁😁 Awwwwww are you Two are mating? who would have thought it on a Rovers forum.😂 |
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Post by bluetornados on Jan 28, 2022 12:16:47 GMT
Covid cases have been falling in the UK since early January - but that decline has now come to a halt.
For more than a week, the daily number of positive tests being reported has been averaging just above 90,000.
That's well above the peak of last winter. But how concerning is this?
The rapid rollout of boosters certainly helped - a recent booster reduces the chance of infection by close to three-quarters.
But low levels of mixing also played a role. By the end of December, adults were averaging about 2.7 contacts a day - close to what was seen in the first lockdown.
As people have returned to work and school, contacts will have increased, giving the virus more opportunity to spread.
Particularly high levels are now being detected in children and this seems to be translating to an increase in cases in their parents' age group.
The good news, Prof Tim Spector says, is most infections in the vaccinated are "mild", which should keep the numbers ending up in hospital and dying low.
That's because while protection against infection wanes, protection against serious illness is much more durable.
Prof Tim Colbourn says short of a stringent lockdown it is going to be hard to stop the Omicron virus spreading now.
"Those calling for continued suppression are not thinking it through," he says. "Countries trying this have still seen cases go up - Omicron is just too infectious."
And this combination of the virus becoming almost unstoppable but also less severe means even those who once advocated a Zero-Covid approach.
Edinburgh University's Prof Devi Sridhar, accept it is time to change tactics.
It was reasonable to move away from restrictions, she said in a recent article in the Guardian newspaper, as they were at risk of becoming more disruptive than the now "defanged" virus itself.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 28, 2022 12:35:22 GMT
Covid cases have been falling in the UK since early January - but that decline has now come to a halt. For more than a week, the daily number of positive tests being reported has been averaging just above 90,000. That's well above the peak of last winter. But how concerning is this? The rapid rollout of boosters certainly helped - a recent booster reduces the chance of infection by close to three-quarters. But low levels of mixing also played a role. By the end of December, adults were averaging about 2.7 contacts a day - close to what was seen in the first lockdown. As people have returned to work and school, contacts will have increased, giving the virus more opportunity to spread. Particularly high levels are now being detected in children and this seems to be translating to an increase in cases in their parents' age group. The good news, Prof Tim Spector says, is most infections in the vaccinated are "mild", which should keep the numbers ending up in hospital and dying low. That's because while protection against infection wanes, protection against serious illness is much more durable. Prof Tim Colbourn says short of a stringent lockdown it is going to be hard to stop the Omicron virus spreading now. "Those calling for continued suppression are not thinking it through," he says. "Countries trying this have still seen cases go up - Omicron is just too infectious." And this combination of the virus becoming almost unstoppable but also less severe means even those who once advocated a Zero-Covid approach. Edinburgh University's Prof Devi Sridhar, accept it is time to change tactics. It was reasonable to move away from restrictions, she said in a recent article in the Guardian newspaper, as they were at risk of becoming more disruptive than the now "defanged" virus itself. People here in Germany are doubting the 'official' figures as at the moment it seems every other person has Covid. As an example, my son is in a class of 29 kids, and last Monday only eight were Covid free ! The class was shut for the week and it looks like they may return next week. Both my wife and my son were Positive, although I remained Negative. Talking to friends etc on the phone and the numbers must be far higher than being reported. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 29, 2022 17:25:52 GMT
Since reducing the limitations, my daughter's beauty salon has had to close twice with staff infections , think until the better warmer weather gets here this will become more and more of an irritant
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Post by Nobbygas on Mar 13, 2022 9:20:43 GMT
Latest update from Germany:
Masks are still mandatory everywhere. Covid Certificates (passports) still have to be shown before entering bars, cinemas, everywhere except shops. Social distancing still applies. Work From Home still applies with companies limited to a 30% occupancy. The infection rates are currently the highest they been during the whole crisis. Covid deaths are running at an average of 250 per day.
Covid may have disappeared from the news, but it is still a major issue here.
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Post by lostinspace on Mar 13, 2022 10:06:29 GMT
School in Wells shut down an entire year by all accounts due to rising Infection rates, pupils and staff affected
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Post by baselswh on Mar 16, 2022 13:34:58 GMT
Yeh,it's back in the news.
Hugh amount of cases,Omicron.
Had a negative test results Monday and Tuesday,after a positive result 10 days or so ago.Still fatigued and abit 'coldy'.
Lifting of restrictions etc.
It's everywhere right now.
Edit.
The impression I got was, without the jabs and booster,I may of been really quite ill.
I would advise all those that have still not taken the jabs to immediately book up the necessary appointments.
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 16, 2022 16:21:55 GMT
Yeh,it's back in the news. Hugh amount of cases,Omicron. Had a negative test results Monday and Tuesday,after a positive result 10 days or so ago.Still fatigued and abit 'coldy'. Lifting of restrictions etc. It's everywhere right now. Edit. The impression I got was, without the jabs and booster,I may of been really quite ill.
I would advise all those that have still not taken the jabs to immediately book up the necessary appointments.Well said that man, nothing is 100 %, but having the jabs and boosters are the best that we know of right now, stay safe and fit B. |
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Post by baselswh on Mar 16, 2022 16:25:34 GMT
Yeh,it's back in the news. Hugh amount of cases,Omicron. Had a negative test results Monday and Tuesday,after a positive result 10 days or so ago.Still fatigued and abit 'coldy'. Lifting of restrictions etc. It's everywhere right now. Edit. The impression I got was, without the jabs and booster,I may of been really quite ill.
I would advise all those that have still not taken the jabs to immediately book up the necessary appointments.Well said that man, nothing is 100 %, but having the jabs and boosters are the best that we know of right now, stay safe and fit B. 👍 |
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