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Post by baselswh on Dec 3, 2021 18:16:50 GMT
While Martyn Starnes and Tommy Widdrington were in situ Wael had a fall back position in the event that he wanted JB and his entourage to leave but now, with only Tom Gorringe remaining, his options are severely limited. I think Tom is being set up in a similar fashion to Ben Garner because, like Ben, he is a young man chomping at the bit to get to pole position and so cannot see the pitfalls which are in front of him. He is taking on a workload which is far too big with little senior management experience behind him and no wise counsel to offer guidance. The outcome is fairly predictable and the likelihood is that JB & Co will make a clean sweep before too long. Joe speaks highly of Tom Swiss. When he does'nt rate someone, he's not slow saying so.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 3, 2021 18:17:06 GMT
With TW gone and last year’s players more or less shipped out and several coaches gone WAQ is running out of people to blame for our current position. Getting promotion at BRFC looks to be worrying, those who get it find themselves leaving months later, TW, two managers, various coaches. If the major is responsible for this ‘whole club review’ then I’ve yet to see his experience or hear about what makes him qualified to do so. I’d say it’s worrying but I guess only time will tell.
I suppose now that TW has gone some will have their scapegoat and be pleased.
Oh well UTG!
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 3, 2021 18:17:44 GMT
With TW gone and last year’s players more or less shipped out and several coaches gone WAQ is running out of people to blame for our current position aren't you forgetting his wife?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 18:44:59 GMT
While Martyn Starnes and Tommy Widdrington were in situ Wael had a fall back position in the event that he wanted JB and his entourage to leave but now, with only Tom Gorringe remaining, his options are severely limited. I think Tom is being set up in a similar fashion to Ben Garner because, like Ben, he is a young man chomping at the bit to get to pole position and so cannot see the pitfalls which are in front of him. He is taking on a workload which is far too big with little senior management experience behind him and no wise counsel to offer guidance. The outcome is fairly predictable and the likelihood is that JB & Co will make a clean sweep before too long. Two things here struck me with Gorringe being elevated to that position; 1. Where's his experience in anything even approaching a similar role? 2. People in these positions at Rovers don't tend to last long since Wael landed. No personal issue with the guy whatsoever, I wish him every success in his new position.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 3, 2021 19:08:17 GMT
Funny how most of the players he signed are playing in the league above
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Post by Bath Gas on Dec 3, 2021 19:16:06 GMT
How long would that have continued with the players not wanting to play for him though? Wouldn't it have been a good idea to investigate why that was? I know which person I think is a better manager, and a more decent human being, and it's inconceivable that Tisdale would have just folded his arms, pulled a tatty baseball cap down over his eyes and surrendered our L1 status that we were all so ecstatic to have gained due to the huge efforts of a team that was far more than to sum of the individuals it contained. Cheers Wael. It was plain for all to see, he arrived and had still not spoken to some of the senior players after 3 or 4 days, not exactly going to get people running through brick walls for him was it? The guy on here who knows PT said that he already knew by then that it wasn't going to work out for him (due to the strange set up he had walked into - maybe he should have done due dilligence before signing the contract?).
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Post by gasprom on Dec 3, 2021 19:48:33 GMT
TW should have gone long ago, at the very latest when Tisdale was appointed in order to allow Tisdale full control of the club. With his background of building mid table conference south sides he should never have been given the remit he was. The idea that any credible first team coach at league 1 level should report up to him is just laughable. It shouldn’t have needed Joey or Col Gibson to point out the bleeding obvious
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 19:49:10 GMT
Wouldn't it have been a good idea to investigate why that was? I know which person I think is a better manager, and a more decent human being, and it's inconceivable that Tisdale would have just folded his arms, pulled a tatty baseball cap down over his eyes and surrendered our L1 status that we were all so ecstatic to have gained due to the huge efforts of a team that was far more than to sum of the individuals it contained. Cheers Wael. It was plain for all to see, he arrived and had still not spoken to some of the senior players after 3 or 4 days, not exactly going to get people running through brick walls for him was it? The guy on here who knows PT said that he already knew by then that it wasn't going to work out for him (due to the strange set up he had walked into - maybe he should have done due dilligence before signing the contract?). The only thing I've noticed on here where someone has made a comment along those lines related to interference from Widdrington. How was Tisdale supposed to realise that he would be undermined by a colleague, if indeed that's what happened? And if it did happen, what kind of madness is it to get rid of the manager and retain the trouble maker?
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 3, 2021 20:06:58 GMT
It was plain for all to see, he arrived and had still not spoken to some of the senior players after 3 or 4 days, not exactly going to get people running through brick walls for him was it? The guy on here who knows PT said that he already knew by then that it wasn't going to work out for him (due to the strange set up he had walked into - maybe he should have done due dilligence before signing the contract?). The only thing I've noticed on here where someone has made a comment along those lines related to interference from Widdrington. How was Tisdale supposed to realise that he would be undermined by a colleague, if indeed that's what happened? And if it did happen, what kind of madness is it to get rid of the manager and retain the trouble maker? Yes. It seems that it’s very unclear what has happened with the relationships / arguments / failings out /interference over the past 18 months or more. Lots of rumours and stories coming out of the club and repeated by forum-itk-posters but how true they are.... who knows. Whatever the truth is I would have hoped a CEO who’s on the ball would have stopped this, banged a few heads together (probably not the right analogy after this week) and sorted it out. I wonder if the owner being overseas a lot leaving his team behind to run the club is part of the reason for this situation. Leaders not strong enough etc. to ‘lead’ the club. And certainly not strong enough to deal with JB and the demands he will or has made, irrespective if it meets the club’s own vision or not. I hope TG will prove strong enough to do this. Time will tell. I only hope we don’t have the same conversation when we’re in the National League. UTG!
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Post by sethstarkadder on Dec 3, 2021 20:31:53 GMT
It strikes me that the one-man governance of the club is prone to throw his lot in with people (sometimes for reasons that aren’t apparent), give them the keys and the cheque book, reshape everything around them, then switch and go all in with another vendor of snake oil who claims to have all the answers and round we go again... until the next time. I never saw what the bass of his confidence in Widdrngton was. Better him than Barton though. God knows who’s next. What’s Dido Harding doing at the moment?
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Post by gasprom on Dec 3, 2021 21:00:41 GMT
To be fair to Tommy he apparently worked 2 transfer windows ahead. When he signed 4 left backs he foresaw that Joey would leave us with none
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Post by Bath Gas on Dec 3, 2021 21:54:34 GMT
It was plain for all to see, he arrived and had still not spoken to some of the senior players after 3 or 4 days, not exactly going to get people running through brick walls for him was it? The guy on here who knows PT said that he already knew by then that it wasn't going to work out for him (due to the strange set up he had walked into - maybe he should have done due dilligence before signing the contract?). The only thing I've noticed on here where someone has made a comment along those lines related to interference from Widdrington. How was Tisdale supposed to realise that he would be undermined by a colleague, if indeed that's what happened? And if it did happen, what kind of madness is it to get rid of the manager and retain the trouble maker? I'm not sure that TW was actually a trouble maker, but probably expected to have the same amount of power he had with BG, and tried throwing his weight around. I suspect that our CEO at the time did not really get a handle on the internal politics, it would be madness to expect an experienced manager like PT to work in the same way. I think that he was probably better off out of it, definitely a poisoned chalice.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 4, 2021 7:48:12 GMT
I guess Joey now doesnt have any opposition scout reports, rather than ignoring the ones he did have
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 4, 2021 8:37:23 GMT
At least there will be a shared culture throughout the club now Joey and his team have removed all from previous regimes.
I suspect he’d want to remove the fans as well.
Widdrington wasn’t a bad man so I hope he finds success at his next post.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 4, 2021 8:52:13 GMT
At least there will be a shared culture throughout the club now Joey and his team have removed all from previous regimes. I suspect he’d want to remove the fans as well. Widdrington wasn’t a bad man so I hope he finds success at his next post. Wriddington claimed there was a team on board that had enough to compete in L1 , when Tisdale went he should ..and i think forced his position on Wael to take us through till the end of the season... that would have proved him right...or otherwise.. rather than end up with what and where we are now
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Post by bondigas on Dec 4, 2021 10:31:01 GMT
With Gorringe desperate to nick £50,000 off the Supporters Club for spurious reasons you get the feeling Widdrington was given his notice some time ago and was simply working his notice. The club just didn't have the money to pay him off, how many people have been unceremoniously been sacked in the last six weeks ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 4, 2021 15:00:40 GMT
I guess Joey now doesnt have any opposition scout reports, rather than ignoring the ones he did have That made i laugh
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Post by swissgas on Dec 5, 2021 14:40:15 GMT
While Martyn Starnes and Tommy Widdrington were in situ Wael had a fall back position in the event that he wanted JB and his entourage to leave but now, with only Tom Gorringe remaining, his options are severely limited. I think Tom is being set up in a similar fashion to Ben Garner because, like Ben, he is a young man chomping at the bit to get to pole position and so cannot see the pitfalls which are in front of him. He is taking on a workload which is far too big with little senior management experience behind him and no wise counsel to offer guidance. The outcome is fairly predictable and the likelihood is that JB & Co will make a clean sweep before too long. Joe speaks highly of Tom Swiss. When he does'nt rate someone, he's not slow saying so. Those sweet words may have been intended to encourage better performance Bas. In a few weeks time he might be lambasting Tom and saying we want to send him back to Brighton.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 15:51:41 GMT
Barton's happy with Gorringe as an ally. Gorringe wouldn't be 'CEO' otherwise.
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Post by baselswh on Dec 5, 2021 16:07:50 GMT
Joe speaks highly of Tom Swiss. When he does'nt rate someone, he's not slow saying so. Those sweet words may have been intended to encourage better performance Bas. In a few weeks time he might be lambasting Tom and saying we want to send him back to Brighton. Maybe Swiss,I can say the extra match day food and a live band yesterday was a good effort.
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