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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:01:43 GMT
Oldie.
Not all black historians books should be taken off the shelves.Just the ones that get facts wrong and are effectively preaching 'whitey bad,must say sorry to us and pay us cash'.
Black historians that do proper research etc,then great!
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Post by oldie on Dec 11, 2021 13:02:24 GMT
No not at all TWD. I agree, what he writes is generally incompressible. On CRT, it is a contentious issue and ages old assumptions do need to be challenged, if to bring things upto date if nothing else. But not the way that our friend Basel writes, the language, the calling for Black Authors books to be banned etc, it's just not acceptable and needs to be challenged. Did he call for books to be banned? I missed that. Let them publish their stuff, but Bas must also be free to comment as he sees fit on what he thinks is wrong with publications such as Holding's book. We can discuss what he says about it, if he makes good points we need to accept them, if he's wrong we should demonstrate why that's so, not just protest that he's racist. Let far right extremists have their platform, better that we acknowledge that there still are a few of these nut jobs amongst us. For what it's worth, pointing to the Best Selling charts isn't going to win any arguments, that's just an argument ad-populum, and you don't need me to tell you, that's not a winning position to take up in any sensible discussion. As for CRT, the version that I'm familiar with is blatant anti-white racism. Maybe I've misunderstood it. Yes He called for Holding's book to be withdrawn. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 11, 2021 13:04:06 GMT
Did I complain to Admin? If I did it was in error, I didn't intend to. You asked admin how much more of Bas' rhetoric we needed to tolerate, that read as a request for censorship. Rushing out now, or would find the bit and quote it, but you can find it easily enough. If you don't like something, report it, epping is fair I think. I never sent a "reported post" to Epping. It was a comment, a question made in general terms. |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:04:15 GMT
Did he call for books to be banned? I missed that. Let them publish their stuff, but Bas must also be free to comment as he sees fit on what he thinks is wrong with publications such as Holding's book. We can discuss what he says about it, if he makes good points we need to accept them, if he's wrong we should demonstrate why that's so, not just protest that he's racist. Let far right extremists have their platform, better that we acknowledge that there still are a few of these nut jobs amongst us. For what it's worth, pointing to the Best Selling charts isn't going to win any arguments, that's just an argument ad-populum, and you don't need me to tell you, that's not a winning position to take up in any sensible discussion. As for CRT, the version that I'm familiar with is blatant anti-white racism. Maybe I've misunderstood it. Yes He called for Holding's book to be withdrawn. Yes.It's rubbish. |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:08:45 GMT
You asked admin how much more of Bas' rhetoric we needed to tolerate, that read as a request for censorship. Rushing out now, or would find the bit and quote it, but you can find it easily enough. If you don't like something, report it, epping is fair I think. I never sent a "reported post" to Epping. It was a comment, a question made in general terms. Haha! Don't talk semantic bollocks Oldie! |
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Post by oldie on Dec 11, 2021 13:09:17 GMT
Oldie. Not all black historians books should be taken off the shelves.Just the ones that get facts wrong and are effectively preaching 'whitey bad,must say sorry to us and pay us cash'. Black historians that do proper research etc,then great! I would take that if it was true, but it is not. Take Holding's book, you ranted about it without a sliver of evidence to back up your comments. That being the case then your base instincts, your motives, are open to question. So yes, I do question them. Prove me wrong, what has Holding, or David Olusoga, written or broadcast that is factually incorrect? |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:19:31 GMT
Oldie. Not all black historians books should be taken off the shelves.Just the ones that get facts wrong and are effectively preaching 'whitey bad,must say sorry to us and pay us cash'. Black historians that do proper research etc,then great! I would take that if it was true, but it is not. Take Holding's book, you ranted about it without a sliver of evidence to back up your comments. That being the case then your base instincts, your motives, are open to question. So yes, I do question them. Prove me wrong, what has Holding, or David Olusoga, written or broadcast that is factually incorrect? I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 11, 2021 13:30:41 GMT
I would take that if it was true, but it is not. Take Holding's book, you ranted about it without a sliver of evidence to back up your comments. That being the case then your base instincts, your motives, are open to question. So yes, I do question them. Prove me wrong, what has Holding, or David Olusoga, written or broadcast that is factually incorrect? I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? The patent issue was dealt with. The guy Holding quoted was indeed granted a patent. You don't need to upload anything, tell us what is factually incorrect and we can look at that ourselves. Saying that black skinned people arrived with Romans is likely given their (the Romans) taste for slavery, but I don't get your point? So again what has Olusoga broadcast which is factually incorrect? |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:34:36 GMT
I would take that if it was true, but it is not. Take Holding's book, you ranted about it without a sliver of evidence to back up your comments. That being the case then your base instincts, your motives, are open to question. So yes, I do question them. Prove me wrong, what has Holding, or David Olusoga, written or broadcast that is factually incorrect? I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? Not having a guess Oldie? Okay. Consider the book is entitled "Black And British". The first sentence of chapter 1 Olusoga deliberately mislead (although factually correct). He tells us the first Africans arrived in Britain with the Roman's.Correct. So as stated don't forget the title,then the first line of chapter 1. These Afticans were from the Mediterranean coast, Venetians and Barbers. These people are not black. That's just the first sentence. |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:45:43 GMT
I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? The patent issue was dealt with. The guy Holding quoted was indeed granted a patent. You don't need to upload anything, tell us what is factually incorrect and we can look at that ourselves. Saying that black skinned people arrived with Romans is likely given their (the Romans) taste for slavery, but I don't get your point? So again what has Olusoga broadcast which is factually incorrect? There were 2 inventors Holding claimed the black bloke invented A.He did'nt.He invented a lesser thing. Still an accomplishment granted,I'm happy for him and would buy him a pint and a genuine congratulary pat on the back.I could accept a statue too (smallish one),as long as it accurately stated what he invented. This is it,history has to be accurate. Now,I get there is a case to teach our kids and all of us accuratblack/British history.Vital.I actually support it. But what has happened is eg BLM have got their grubby hands involved.Any black hidtorian can apparently get away with any old cobswhallop, as long as it puts blacks in great esteem and whites looking very bad. As for 'Whitey',too dumb and scared to disagree. It's dangerous. Eg,I would think the series "Roots" from back in the 70s I think,an absolute must lesson for say the last year of primary school. Rushing.Off up the Mem. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 11, 2021 13:48:18 GMT
I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? Not having a guess Oldie? Okay. Consider the book is entitled "Black And British". The first sentence of chapter 1 Olusoga deliberately mislead (although factually correct). He tells us the first Africans arrived in Britain with the Roman's.Correct. So as stated don't forget the title,then the first line of chapter 1. These Afticans were from the Mediterranean coast peoples of Venetians and Barbers. These people are not black. That's just the first sentence. Well folks, there you have it. It's not where you are from, it's the colour of your skin. A good moment to leave it there, a matter of record for all to see. |
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Post by baselswh on Dec 11, 2021 13:49:34 GMT
Not having a guess Oldie? Okay. Consider the book is entitled "Black And British". The first sentence of chapter 1 Olusoga deliberately mislead (although factually correct). He tells us the first Africans arrived in Britain with the Roman's.Correct. So as stated don't forget the title,then the first line of chapter 1. These Afticans were from the Mediterranean coast peoples of Venetians and Barbers. These people are not black. That's just the first sentence. Well folks, there you have it. It's not where you are from, it's the colour of your skin. A good moment to leave it there, a matter of record for all to see. Now you're deliberately being silly. It's a shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 21:30:55 GMT
I did try to present evidence on Holdings book.But having to copy and paste stuff or link to photos (eg the electric light bulb patent certificates I've seen photos of) is a yet beyond my ability. So okay,I struggled but my opinion is based on quality of work and nothing to do with the colour of skin of the author. You may believe Holding. I don't.Or at least not all of it. As for Olusoga and the book I offered az an example of rubbish "Black and British". His first sentence tells us when Africans first arrived in Britain,he gets the date correct,it was with the Romans. Guess what's misleading? Not having a guess Oldie? Okay. Consider the book is entitled "Black And British". The first sentence of chapter 1 Olusoga deliberately mislead (although factually correct). He tells us the first Africans arrived in Britain with the Roman's.Correct. So as stated don't forget the title,then the first line of chapter 1. These Afticans were from the Mediterranean coast, Venetians and Barbers. These people are not black. That's just the first sentence. Depends what you mean by 'African people'. As I've said several times, people really should look at the results of the National Geographic Genome research. It traces all remaining human life back to Africa. So now the onus falls to Olusoga to state how many generations someone needs to be away from Africa to no longer be ''African''. Have I misunderstood something? To the actual point. We really need to grow up out of this daft, childish nonsense of looking at something as meaningless as skin colour and using that to describe 'race', as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't, there's just one race, we all have different characteristics, we all have more in common than many appear to be comfortable admitting or even discussing. Anyway, as a Conservative, next time there's a riot in Philadelphia, to show my solidarity with the cause of the oppressed people there, I'm rushing out with a fire extinguisher to put out some fires, I'm going to replace some broken shop windows and am going to go into an open department store and buy the biggest flat screen TV available. |
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Post by towngas on Dec 12, 2021 8:33:34 GMT
Well folks, there you have it. It's not where you are from, it's the colour of your skin. A good moment to leave it there, a matter of record for all to see. Now you're deliberately being silly. It's a shame. Yes, I, afraid he is. This isn’t about skin colour, but it is to the Marxist BLM movement. Its a convenient vehicle to drive their political ambition. Theyre using black people. |
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1) Debate is welcome and is the sign of a mature and free society, however a number of posts are sailing very close to the edge of what is acceptable by law.
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Post by oldie on Dec 12, 2021 11:37:06 GMT
Posters Admin has deleted one post on here which crossed the boundaries of the Pro Broads and this forums rules and could be challenged under current racism laws. 1) Debate is welcome and is the sign of a mature and free society, however a number of posts are sailing very close to the edge of what is acceptable by law. 2) If you are all supposed to be having an intellectual debate there is no need for name calling on either side of the argument. That is the sign of someone who has lost their case not intellectualism. 3) Admins do not read through every thread and don't have the time to do so, so please don't post on threads and complain about us not challenging or doing our 'jobs'. Yes we do post individually at times and those are our own thoughts not those of the whole admin group. We are also individuals. 4) If anyone has an issue with a post then please report it but also explain why you are reporting it, not just because it disagrees with your point of view. Whilst no doubt we shall now receive a number of posts where people disagree with us, call it censorship, and no doubt call us names (as in the past), however we won't be entering into a debate about what is legal and what breaks the rules. You should all be adult enough to know where you are crossing a line. Many thanks and regards Cheshire on behalf of the Admin team If that was me Chesh, then I am sorry. If not then let me say I agree with you. I did wonder how long some of this stuff would be tolerated. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 11:38:36 GMT
After 10 days and 7 pages of this thread, with one of the core themes being that accuracy in written communication is essential, it's a shame that the thread title has a huge spelling mistake it it  |
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Post by oldie on Dec 12, 2021 11:58:10 GMT
After 10 days and 7 pages of this thread, with one of the core themes being that accuracy in written communication is essential, it's a shame that the thread title has a huge spelling mistake it it 😂😂😂😂Par for the course🤔 |
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After 10 days and 7 pages of this thread, with one of the core themes being that accuracy in written communication is essential, it's a shame that the thread title has a huge spelling mistake it it 😂😂😂😂Par for the course🤔 Yea, but it's taken this long for me and you to notice as well  |
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Post by oldie on Dec 12, 2021 12:28:04 GMT
Yea, but it's taken this long for me and you to notice as well It has, made me laugh as well. |
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