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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 18:57:24 GMT
Bas, the anti-Semitic attack on the London bus was despicable and is rightly being treated as a hate crime by the police. I would hope and expect given the quality of the video footage, arrests will be forthcoming. It has nothing to do with Black Xmas, though. I don't have a strong view on Black Xmas. I understand it started as a protest against a black man being shot while he was shopping. It appears to have morphed into something a little bit more questionable in its intentions. But it doesn't concern me, in fact it doesn't affect me at all, and I wonder why it concerns you. Did the murder of that violent moronic junkie George Floyd have anything to do with any of us? The murder of the black bloke that started black Xmas,well it was'nt the entire White race that killed him,but BLM blame everyone. Why don't they have eg a 'darker shade of black day'?This to protest about the black people murdered by black people. There you go. The antisemitic attack in Oxford St was for Oldies 'benefit'. That taxi driver killed by the 2 black joy riding / car jacking girls didn't get a single mention on our media here. After he's been killed one of them goes back to retrieve her phone, before they both make off. I missed the nationwide City centre demonstrations for that case. The Rittenhouse case was mentioned very briefly by our media, and portrayed as a 'wrong decision', yet no mention whatsoever of Andrew Coffee 1V. Who you say, not surprised you've never heard of him. On the same day as the left wing US media went in to total meltdown, and even Dim Joe Biden attacked the Rittenhouse verdict, Mr Coffee was also acquitted of felony murder of his girlfriend and attempted murder by shooting of Police officers. But Mr Coffee is black. Total media silence from the left about that. Maybe Oldie has been right all along and America is in fact a racist society?
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Post by icegas on Dec 2, 2021 19:55:51 GMT
100% right. People live in boxes today due to being branded a 'ist' if you do so. Look at me, I was banned on Gas chat and called a racist, homophobic bigot because I brought up certain things that the extreme Left are doing to society. I'm all for black lives as much as I am for white lives.. but I hate what the BLM organization is and there Marxist leaders and how they are creating more division between black and whites. Does that make me a Racist? Probably not. Ill informed, daft as a brush and displaying poor analytical skills, maybe. Probably not? From you and your friends on the other forum then I will take that as a compliment! Ill- informed? I could point the mirror right back at you in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 20:14:46 GMT
Probably not. Ill informed, daft as a brush and displaying poor analytical skills, maybe. Probably not? From you and your friends on the other forum then I will take that as a compliment! Ill- informed? I could point the mirror right back you in that regard. I had the same treatment from him and his friends over their, but don't worry about it, just demolish his arguments, it's not difficult.
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Post by oldie on Dec 2, 2021 21:14:42 GMT
Probably not? From you and your friends on the other forum then I will take that as a compliment! Ill- informed? I could point the mirror right back you in that regard. I had the same treatment from him and his friends over their, but don't worry about it, just demolish his arguments, it's not difficult. taking that instruction do it ice gas
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Post by icegas on Dec 2, 2021 21:16:38 GMT
Probably not? From you and your friends on the other forum then I will take that as a compliment! Ill- informed? I could point the mirror right back you in that regard. I had the same treatment from him and his friends over their, but don't worry about it, just demolish his arguments, it's not difficult. I know, which has been done many times before by myself and others, yet the only come back that they have is to brand you a "bigot" and an 'ist'... I just want an enjoyable, adult debate over real issues regardless of -left and right opinions, and divide. A platform to engage in debate and not get to the point of mud throwing to make a point. Gaschat doesn't let you do that.
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Post by icegas on Dec 2, 2021 21:18:41 GMT
I had the same treatment from him and his friends over their, but don't worry about it, just demolish his arguments, it's not difficult. taking that instruction do it ice gas Demolish what argument? We are yet to debate anything on here so stop being passive aggressive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 21:22:12 GMT
I had the same treatment from him and his friends over their, but don't worry about it, just demolish his arguments, it's not difficult. taking that instruction do it ice gas I know you think you always win, but this is from the person who thinks it's normal to call people racists and bigots, so we'll ignore your opinions.
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Post by oldie on Dec 2, 2021 22:51:37 GMT
Sorry Oldie, but the BLM statement supporting this is racist. That's differential encouraging action based on skin colour. It's racist. You can pretend otherwise, and I suspect that you will, but just replace the word 'black' with 'white' and you would be screeching at the top of your voice that it's racist and shouldn't be allowed. But then again, you don't want equality of opportunity, you don't even want equality of outcome. What you personally appear to want is to live very comfortably in an almost exclusively white, non-Muslim area whilst demanding that the rest of the world 'levels up'. Go figure. Now you have the nerve to throw those childish insults at Icegas. You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in)
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Post by icegas on Dec 3, 2021 0:24:38 GMT
Sorry Oldie, but the BLM statement supporting this is racist. That's differential encouraging action based on skin colour. It's racist. You can pretend otherwise, and I suspect that you will, but just replace the word 'black' with 'white' and you would be screeching at the top of your voice that it's racist and shouldn't be allowed. But then again, you don't want equality of opportunity, you don't even want equality of outcome. What you personally appear to want is to live very comfortably in an almost exclusively white, non-Muslim area whilst demanding that the rest of the world 'levels up'. Go figure. Now you have the nerve to throw those childish insults at Icegas. You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in) I went to Atlanta for a week in 2008 and never got the impression that it was an integrated city.Maybe the metro area,but not down town Atlanta.
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2021 6:26:30 GMT
You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in) I went to Atlanta for a week in 2008 and never got the impression that it was an integrated city.Maybe the metro area,but not down town Atlanta. Spent quite a bit of time there. They elected a civil rights activist as Mayor in 1982, the first black Mayor, Andrew Young, of a major American city I believe. I was living in the States at the time and I recall him being re-elected by a substantial majority as his term was deemed a success by all. If you want to witness non integration, go up the road to Charlottesville, Virginia. That's the place where Trump's neo Nazi's supporters met under the banner of "Unite the Right" in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 9:33:23 GMT
Sorry Oldie, but the BLM statement supporting this is racist. That's differential encouraging action based on skin colour. It's racist. You can pretend otherwise, and I suspect that you will, but just replace the word 'black' with 'white' and you would be screeching at the top of your voice that it's racist and shouldn't be allowed. But then again, you don't want equality of opportunity, you don't even want equality of outcome. What you personally appear to want is to live very comfortably in an almost exclusively white, non-Muslim area whilst demanding that the rest of the world 'levels up'. Go figure. Now you have the nerve to throw those childish insults at Icegas. You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in) It's blatantly racist, it's not even up for discussion. The entire BLM movement is racist at its core, and is propped up by daft, unworkable policies, which the leaders would be absolutely stuffed if they were ever invited to implement. But there's good news, a glimmer of light. Apply the same criteria for deciding if policy is productive or racist to national politics, you'll drop your support for the Democrat party in the blink of an eye. I'm not suggesting you support the GoP, they are barely better, but the Dems promote policies that are racist and subjugate minorities, and in your heart, you know it.
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2021 11:39:20 GMT
You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in) It's blatantly racist, it's not even up for discussion. The entire BLM movement is racist at its core, and is propped up by daft, unworkable policies, which the leaders would be absolutely stuffed if they were ever invited to implement. But there's good news, a glimmer of light. Apply the same criteria for deciding if policy is productive or racist to national politics, you'll drop your support for the Democrat party in the blink of an eye. I'm not suggesting you support the GoP, they are barely better, but the Dems promote policies that are racist and subjugate minorities, and in your heart, you know it. Obviously I am biased because I volunteered with the Dems when I lived in the States. I don't accept your characterisations, the big issue, still, in the States is making good the wrongs of the past. All parties and groups struggle with this, except Trump supporters who recognise no wrongs and often lament the passing of the "past". I lived through several cack handed attempts to address this in the area I lived in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 11:50:25 GMT
It's blatantly racist, it's not even up for discussion. The entire BLM movement is racist at its core, and is propped up by daft, unworkable policies, which the leaders would be absolutely stuffed if they were ever invited to implement. But there's good news, a glimmer of light. Apply the same criteria for deciding if policy is productive or racist to national politics, you'll drop your support for the Democrat party in the blink of an eye. I'm not suggesting you support the GoP, they are barely better, but the Dems promote policies that are racist and subjugate minorities, and in your heart, you know it. Obviously I am biased because I volunteered with the Dems when I lived in the States. I don't accept your characterisations, the big issue, still, in the States is making good the wrongs of the past. All parties and groups struggle with this, except Trump supporters who recognise no wrongs and often lament the passing of the "past". I lived through several cack handed attempts to address this in the area I lived in. The problem with trying to discuss this with you is that you refuse to analytically assess Democrat policy, based on whether it's racist, whether it promotes subjugation, or on it's outcome. Add to that, every time I provide 'lived experience' testimony, such as evidence from people who have been victims of these Dem policies and explain how they actually deny opportunity by installing a 'victim' mentality, you instantly dismiss it as untrustworthy, not representative etc, yet here we are, all these years after Jim Crow, it's not possible to suggest that America is more racist today than it was then and expect to be taken seriously, yet huge sectors of society are being left behind. I suggest, with all the respect I can muster, that this is, in no small part, due to the policies you promote.
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Post by towngas on Dec 3, 2021 12:26:36 GMT
Interesting article in the papers today about some gay black actor in the states paid 2 guys to beat him up and shout pro-Trump propaganda whilst they were doing it. They put a noose around his neck to make it look like a KKK White Supremacy stunt. He reported it and of course all the American Liberal Woke agitators made the most of it.
The Police investigated it and the story unravelled and it seems our hero did it to force his studio to give him a pay rise and to damage the Republican Party. Funnily enough this hasn’t been mentioned on Asschat, but I would be interested to hear Oldies take on this.
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Post by towngas on Dec 3, 2021 12:29:30 GMT
You might be surprised to hear that I am not comfortable with this. As a minimum it's counter productive. At worse it is racist. I can completely understand activists wanting to use their organisation to promote business in communities, but in reality this will go nowhere. It makes good sensationalist headlines, but that's about it. I cannot imagine the good folk in Atlanta abandoning their Malls (being the most integrated City I have been to in) It's blatantly racist, it's not even up for discussion. The entire BLM movement is racist at its core, and is propped up by daft, unworkable policies, which the leaders would be absolutely stuffed if they were ever invited to implement. But there's good news, a glimmer of light. Apply the same criteria for deciding if policy is productive or racist to national politics, you'll drop your support for the Democrat party in the blink of an eye. I'm not suggesting you support the GoP, they are barely better, but the Dems promote policies that are racist and subjugate minorities, and in your heart, you know it. If we were allowed to have a White Lives Matter movement (It would immediately placed on the banned organisation register) and it started demanding people boycott black businesses, Can you imagine the uproar?
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2021 12:36:11 GMT
Obviously I am biased because I volunteered with the Dems when I lived in the States. I don't accept your characterisations, the big issue, still, in the States is making good the wrongs of the past. All parties and groups struggle with this, except Trump supporters who recognise no wrongs and often lament the passing of the "past". I lived through several cack handed attempts to address this in the area I lived in. The problem with trying to discuss this with you is that you refuse to analytically assess Democrat policy, based on whether it's racist, whether it promotes subjugation, or on it's outcome. Add to that, every time I provide 'lived experience' testimony, such as evidence from people who have been victims of these Dem policies and explain how they actually deny opportunity by installing a 'victim' mentality, you instantly dismiss it as untrustworthy, not representative etc, yet here we are, all these years after Jim Crow, it's not possible to suggest that America is more racist today than it was then and expect to be taken seriously, yet huge sectors of society are being left behind. I suggest, with all the respect I can muster, that this is, in no small part, due to the policies you promote. Feel free to believe that. I will always fervently disagree with your "laissez-faire" response to social and economic inequality. That is not to ignore that policies brought to address don't always get this right. But to do nothing is not an option, in my opinion. I will give you an example from my (now infamous😂) "lived experience". In the 80s the State I lived in had a rapidly expanding population, driven by internal and external migration. What it didn't have was the infrastructure to support this growth. There was no State income tax and sales tax was 2%. The Dems in my county pushed hard for a bond to be issued to fund the much needed new school infrastructure. The free market absolutists resisted and the State Government pushed back, not liking the political optics. We (I worked on canvassing) manage to secure a one off referendum, won it, funding was secured and the debt paid back by hypothecation of Real Estate taxes (increase). But more than that, there was a dreadful failing High School in the next town. 99% black kids whose only route to tertiary education was sport. As part of this process it was turned into a "Magnet School" specialising in Maths and Science. Kids with talent in those areas were sent there and kids from that school were sent to our local High School which was 70% white. A bit of economic redistribution and social interference to right a wrong. That never happens under laissez-faire ideology, does it.
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2021 12:41:02 GMT
Interesting article in the papers today about some gay black actor in the states paid 2 guys to beat him up and shout pro-Trump propaganda whilst they were doing it. They put a noose around his neck to make it look like a KKK White Supremacy stunt. He reported it and of course all the American Liberal Woke agitators made the most of it. The Police investigated it and the story unravelled and it seems our hero did it to force his studio to give him a pay rise and to damage the Republican Party. Funnily enough this hasn’t been mentioned on Asschat, but I would be interested to hear Oldies take on this. If this is the same story that emerged some time ago, then that's easy. The bloke is a fool.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 13:24:01 GMT
Interesting article in the papers today about some gay black actor in the states paid 2 guys to beat him up and shout pro-Trump propaganda whilst they were doing it. They put a noose around his neck to make it look like a KKK White Supremacy stunt. He reported it and of course all the American Liberal Woke agitators made the most of it. The Police investigated it and the story unravelled and it seems our hero did it to force his studio to give him a pay rise and to damage the Republican Party. Funnily enough this hasn’t been mentioned on Asschat, but I would be interested to hear Oldies take on this. If this is the same story that emerged some time ago, then that's easy. The bloke is a fool. But the left wing media milked it for all it was worth, then fell silent when the truth emerged. There's a danger here, and one we all have a responsibility to resist, and it emanates from the left, it's already taking root in our media, universities etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2021 13:32:39 GMT
The problem with trying to discuss this with you is that you refuse to analytically assess Democrat policy, based on whether it's racist, whether it promotes subjugation, or on it's outcome. Add to that, every time I provide 'lived experience' testimony, such as evidence from people who have been victims of these Dem policies and explain how they actually deny opportunity by installing a 'victim' mentality, you instantly dismiss it as untrustworthy, not representative etc, yet here we are, all these years after Jim Crow, it's not possible to suggest that America is more racist today than it was then and expect to be taken seriously, yet huge sectors of society are being left behind. I suggest, with all the respect I can muster, that this is, in no small part, due to the policies you promote. Feel free to believe that. I will always fervently disagree with your "laissez-faire" response to social and economic inequality. That is not to ignore that policies brought to address don't always get this right. But to do nothing is not an option, in my opinion. I will give you an example from my (now infamous😂) "lived experience". In the 80s the State I lived in had a rapidly expanding population, driven by internal and external migration. What it didn't have was the infrastructure to support this growth. There was no State income tax and sales tax was 2%. The Dems in my county pushed hard for a bond to be issued to fund the much needed new school infrastructure. The free market absolutists resisted and the State Government pushed back, not liking the political optics. We (I worked on canvassing) manage to secure a one off referendum, won it, funding was secured and the debt paid back by hypothecation of Real Estate taxes (increase). But more than that, there was a dreadful failing High School in the next town. 99% black kids whose only route to tertiary education was sport. As part of this process it was turned into a "Magnet School" specialising in Maths and Science. Kids with talent in those areas were sent there and kids from that school were sent to our local High School which was 70% white. A bit of economic redistribution and social interference to right a wrong. That never happens under laissez-faire ideology, does it. It's nonsense and fails to address why that school in the impoverished area was failing. But that's maybe a bit beyond your low resolution thinking. Anyway, what's it to be, are you in favour of interventionist foreign policy, supporting genocidal maniacs, asset stripping during natural disasters, or were you wrong to support the female Clinton? Once you've answered this I have several dozen other contradictions in your muddled thinking for you to explain. It's not a problem that you are hopelessly confused, some people are, it's that you talk down to people who don't share your world view, that makes tearing your silliness to shreds absolutely fair game. Ready to apologise to Bas yet, or do you still think it's acceptable to call people racists and bigots with zero evidence? I suspect that you are dragging this out until he says something which appears to validate the words you used, but it won't help you as you said those things with no good reason at the time. So apologise. Vemndetta? Nope, just act normally and like and adult and I'll treat you with the respect that demands.
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Post by towngas on Dec 3, 2021 14:53:34 GMT
Feel free to believe that. I will always fervently disagree with your "laissez-faire" response to social and economic inequality. That is not to ignore that policies brought to address don't always get this right. But to do nothing is not an option, in my opinion. I will give you an example from my (now infamous😂) "lived experience". In the 80s the State I lived in had a rapidly expanding population, driven by internal and external migration. What it didn't have was the infrastructure to support this growth. There was no State income tax and sales tax was 2%. The Dems in my county pushed hard for a bond to be issued to fund the much needed new school infrastructure. The free market absolutists resisted and the State Government pushed back, not liking the political optics. We (I worked on canvassing) manage to secure a one off referendum, won it, funding was secured and the debt paid back by hypothecation of Real Estate taxes (increase). But more than that, there was a dreadful failing High School in the next town. 99% black kids whose only route to tertiary education was sport. As part of this process it was turned into a "Magnet School" specialising in Maths and Science. Kids with talent in those areas were sent there and kids from that school were sent to our local High School which was 70% white. A bit of economic redistribution and social interference to right a wrong. That never happens under laissez-faire ideology, does it. It's nonsense and fails to address why that school in the impoverished area was failing. But that's maybe a bit beyond your low resolution thinking. Anyway, what's it to be, are you in favour of interventionist foreign policy, supporting genocidal maniacs, asset stripping during natural disasters, or were you wrong to support the female Clinton? Once you've answered this I have several dozen other contradictions in your muddled thinking for you to explain. It's not a problem that you are hopelessly confused, some people are, it's that you talk down to people who don't share your world view, that makes tearing your silliness to shreds absolutely fair game. Ready to apologise to Bas yet, or do you still think it's acceptable to call people racists and bigots with zero evidence? I suspect that you are dragging this out until he says something which appears to validate the words you used, but it won't help you as you said those things with no good reason at the time. So apologise. Vemndetta? Nope, just act normally and like and adult and I'll treat you with the respect that demands. I hope you’re not expecting an answer to this, you’ll be waiting some time I would imagine. Oldie tends to forget hrs not on Asschat and can’t rely on Yatton and his Leftie cohorts to run to his rescue. Failing that, he hasn’t got that foolish owl to ban people he can’t get the better of.
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