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Post by alftupper on Dec 28, 2021 7:48:58 GMT
Boland 4 overs, 1 maiden, 7 runs, 6 wickets. At least we took 7 runs off his bowling. Something to build on. |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 28, 2021 8:36:29 GMT
just heard a short clip of Silverwood reckoning there are positives to be taken from this test....... if i was on what he was on i think i might test positive and then be taken off in a straight jacket !!!
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 28, 2021 10:22:08 GMT
Boland 4 overs, 1 maiden, 7 runs, 6 wickets. At least we took 7 runs off his bowling. Something to build on. Maybe it's a Silverwood cunning plan. England knew the Ashes were gone before the game. Let Boland get some good figures in this game, then he's undroppable. In the last two tests we will then smite him all round the ground, and come away with a heartening 3-2 defeat. Yes, that's the plan. Ha ha, that'll learn 'em eh! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 28, 2021 10:45:13 GMT
At least we took 7 runs off his bowling. Something to build on. Maybe it's a Silverwood cunning plan. England knew the Ashes were gone before the game. Let Boland get some good figures in this game, then he's undroppable. In the last two tests we will then smite him all round the ground, and come away with a heartening 3-2 defeat. Yes, that's the plan. Ha ha, that'll learn 'em eh! Absolutely. If Boland`s ancestors had been clever enough not to have got caught, he`d have been bowling for us. Something for him to ponder, as he`s celebrating with a can of Fosters and a kangaroo.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2021 12:04:45 GMT
Fer God's sake, say Covid has ripped through the squad and get them on the first plane/boat out of there. Collectively they've given up. Seems attractive to do that but I hope someone somewhere shows some fight and battle. We face it up, look at the bowlers who’ve done ok generally and hope some batsmen can stay in the middle. Don’t give the Aussies any more ammunition to go on about whingeing poms! We may be crap but let’s be crap with a bit of fight. |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 28, 2021 12:57:43 GMT
Fer God's sake, say Covid has ripped through the squad and get them on the first plane/boat out of there. Collectively they've given up. Agree, get them home now, a few are shot, a few are finished as England players, rest them and start again. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 28, 2021 13:54:28 GMT
Fer God's sake, say Covid has ripped through the squad and get them on the first plane/boat out of there. Collectively they've given up. Seems attractive to do that but I hope someone somewhere shows some fight and battle. We face it up, look at the bowlers who’ve done ok generally and hope some batsmen can stay in the middle. Don’t give the Aussies any more ammunition to go on about whingeing poms! We may be crap but let’s be crap with a bit of fight. Wareham - but there is no fight. Have Buttler or Stokes gone out to attack the bowling at any point? Every batsman is just looking to hang on. They let the Aussies bowl to them instead of trying to make the bowlers (and fielders) have to change. The only batsmen to come out of this with any credit are Root and Malan. Can you imagine Botham or Peterson just going out there to hang on? They would look at the field placings, look at the bowler, and then hit the ball into the gaps, forcing the bowler to change his line and length and the fielding Captain to change his field placings. In fact that is what any half-decent batsman would do. Our lot look like the proverbial rabbits caught in the headlights. They are either wafting outside the offstump or missing the straight ball....and these players have been given central contracts!?!?!
Plus, the fielding has been very sloppy. Dropped catches, overthrow's, no-balls..........No excuse for that. Even if you are out of form with the bat/bowl you should still be able to do the basics of fielding correctly.
Any more of this and the Ashes will be reduced to a Three Test Series. I think even the Aussie public are getting fed-up of seeing such a gutless England team with games not even lasting three days.
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Post by alftupper on Dec 28, 2021 14:12:48 GMT
Fer God's sake, say Covid has ripped through the squad and get them on the first plane/boat out of there. Collectively they've given up. Seems attractive to do that but I hope someone somewhere shows some fight and battle. We face it up, look at the bowlers who’ve done ok generally and hope some batsmen can stay in the middle. Don’t give the Aussies any more ammunition to go on about whingeing poms! We may be crap but let’s be crap with a bit of fight. Trouble is, even if we do manage to salvage something from the last two tests, most people will think that it`s only because the Aussies eased off the accelerator, with the Ashes already won. |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 28, 2021 14:21:29 GMT
Wonder what the lowest Test score a side has made, and still gone on to win by an innings? 267 is just ridiculous.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 28, 2021 15:34:57 GMT
You can understand the problem when you learn that in 2021 England's third highest run scorer was Extra's. No joke.
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Post by alftupper on Dec 28, 2021 17:36:06 GMT
This from Jonathan Agnew.
"We have known about England's batting frailties for a long time and now the manner of this defeat should bring into focus the way their batsmen are prepared for Test cricket.
We have often debated the negative impact that the domestic structure is having on the technique of England's batsmen.
This latest humbling in Australia should serve as incontrovertible evidence that it is not fit for purpose.
The County Championship has been marginalised to the fringes of the season for the convenience of playing more limited-overs cricket. The ability to produce a solid defence has given way to the desire to hit ramps, scoops and towering sixes.
The message from the authorities is the shortest formats are the only interesting or exciting versions of cricket.
If that is the way they are trying to lure the public, then so too will players be seduced because they will think it is the future of the game.
I'm not for one second playing down the importance of T20 cricket or The Hundred. The shorter formats should be used to fund the more traditional elements of the game.
And, of course, the Australians have their own domestic one-day competitions, but not nearly the amount of limited-overs matches that are played in the UK.
The long-term consequence of the County Championship being pushed to the beginning and end of the summer means English batsmen have very little opportunity to play in conditions remotely similar to what they might encounter in Test cricket. The step-up is then so alien they might as well be playing a different sport."
If a Glaswegian and a Frankfurter can see that all this is likely to be detrimental to our Test team, you`d think that the ECB would too.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 28, 2021 18:03:23 GMT
That's right. Four day cricket in England has been reduced to a Spring and Autumn competition. The 100 has to go. What is the point when you also have T20?
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2021 18:43:20 GMT
Seems attractive to do that but I hope someone somewhere shows some fight and battle. We face it up, look at the bowlers who’ve done ok generally and hope some batsmen can stay in the middle. Don’t give the Aussies any more ammunition to go on about whingeing poms! We may be crap but let’s be crap with a bit of fight. Wareham - but there is no fight. Have Buttler or Stokes gone out to attack the bowling at any point? Every batsman is just looking to hang on. They let the Aussies bowl to them instead of trying to make the bowlers (and fielders) have to change. The only batsmen to come out of this with any credit are Root and Malan. Can you imagine Botham or Peterson just going out there to hang on? They would look at the field placings, look at the bowler, and then hit the ball into the gaps, forcing the bowler to change his line and length and the fielding Captain to change his field placings. In fact that is what any half-decent batsman would do. Our lot look like the proverbial rabbits caught in the headlights. They are either wafting outside the offstump or missing the straight ball....and these players have been given central contracts!?!?!
Plus, the fielding has been very sloppy. Dropped catches, overthrow's, no-balls..........No excuse for that. Even if you are out of form with the bat/bowl you should still be able to do the basics of fielding correctly.
Any more of this and the Ashes will be reduced to a Three Test Series. I think even the Aussie public are getting fed-up of seeing such a gutless England team with games not even lasting three days.
No, you’re right there has been no fight. Perhaps I should have used the word determination instead. I don’t think it’s about attacking as you’ve said, though that would help. But I would hope to see some grit and determination such as Boycott, Graveney, Barrington, even David Steele and Graham Gooch more recently. Your rabbits in headlights is a good description. But you have to see the series through, face it up and then make sure you do something about it in the future. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2021 18:52:43 GMT
This from Jonathan Agnew. "We have known about England's batting frailties for a long time and now the manner of this defeat should bring into focus the way their batsmen are prepared for Test cricket. We have often debated the negative impact that the domestic structure is having on the technique of England's batsmen. This latest humbling in Australia should serve as incontrovertible evidence that it is not fit for purpose. The County Championship has been marginalised to the fringes of the season for the convenience of playing more limited-overs cricket. The ability to produce a solid defence has given way to the desire to hit ramps, scoops and towering sixes. The message from the authorities is the shortest formats are the only interesting or exciting versions of cricket. If that is the way they are trying to lure the public, then so too will players be seduced because they will think it is the future of the game. I'm not for one second playing down the importance of T20 cricket or The Hundred. The shorter formats should be used to fund the more traditional elements of the game. And, of course, the Australians have their own domestic one-day competitions, but not nearly the amount of limited-overs matches that are played in the UK. The long-term consequence of the County Championship being pushed to the beginning and end of the summer means English batsmen have very little opportunity to play in conditions remotely similar to what they might encounter in Test cricket. The step-up is then so alien they might as well be playing a different sport." If a Glaswegian and a Frankfurter can see that all this is likely to be detrimental to our Test team, you`d think that the ECB would too. Exactly. Go back over any thread over the past 4/5 seasons in this ‘Cricket Lovers’ section and you’ll see those of us who’ve been doing most of the posting in the bog standard season threads me, irish and jack have been saying the same thing all the time. If we can all see that why on earth can’t the ECB? The ECB couldn’t organise a p*** up in a brewery. Now that well-known cricket writers are saying the same thing and with all the embarrassment that this series has caused perhaps something will happen. But I won’t hold my breath. |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 28, 2021 20:34:52 GMT
I recall that English Rugby was in the same mindset as the current ECB until it took Will Carling and his " stuffy old men in suits " outburst for them to see where they actually were .. perhaps someone of his Ilk had the courage to say something similar to get these people to open their eyes to see where they are taking English cricket.... second rate performers
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 28, 2021 22:50:57 GMT
There has to be widespread culling in our cricket, get rid of dead wood and grow some new hungry shoots from the top down.
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Post by alftupper on Dec 29, 2021 8:03:07 GMT
This from Jonathan Agnew. "We have known about England's batting frailties for a long time and now the manner of this defeat should bring into focus the way their batsmen are prepared for Test cricket. We have often debated the negative impact that the domestic structure is having on the technique of England's batsmen. This latest humbling in Australia should serve as incontrovertible evidence that it is not fit for purpose. The County Championship has been marginalised to the fringes of the season for the convenience of playing more limited-overs cricket. The ability to produce a solid defence has given way to the desire to hit ramps, scoops and towering sixes. The message from the authorities is the shortest formats are the only interesting or exciting versions of cricket. If that is the way they are trying to lure the public, then so too will players be seduced because they will think it is the future of the game. I'm not for one second playing down the importance of T20 cricket or The Hundred. The shorter formats should be used to fund the more traditional elements of the game. And, of course, the Australians have their own domestic one-day competitions, but not nearly the amount of limited-overs matches that are played in the UK. The long-term consequence of the County Championship being pushed to the beginning and end of the summer means English batsmen have very little opportunity to play in conditions remotely similar to what they might encounter in Test cricket. The step-up is then so alien they might as well be playing a different sport." If a Glaswegian and a Frankfurter can see that all this is likely to be detrimental to our Test team, you`d think that the ECB would too. Exactly. Go back over any thread over the past 4/5 seasons in this ‘Cricket Lovers’ section and you’ll see those of us who’ve been doing most of the posting in the bog standard season threads me, irish and jack have been saying the same thing all the time. If we can all see that why on earth can’t the ECB? The ECB couldn’t organise a p*** up in a brewery. Now that well-known cricket writers are saying the same thing and with all the embarrassment that this series has caused perhaps something will happen. But I won’t hold my breath. If the ECB put as much thought and effort into sorting out our Test team, as they did in sorting out our limited overs team following the 2015 WC debacle, we might get somewhere. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 29, 2021 10:18:13 GMT
Spot on alf.
I said earlier the same thing. The ECB almost exhausted their coffers and spent about £70m putting the hundred on. Had they invested similar in the County Championship we would have the best side in the world. I’m sure that there is a TV channel out there who’d be interested in covering the CC, perhaps ITV 3 or 4 which could give a wider audience with a highlights programme and magazine/ MOTD style highlights stuff over an hour. Counties may be too dependent upon ECB money but they do give a route through to young cricketers and the CC is a great competition. We get good crowds in Taunton where there is an interest and Glamorgan and Surrey also get good crowds in the CC. But the schedule stinks. High summer (late July and August) and there’s very little red ball cricket because the ECB are too busy counting the money from the 100. No Australian-style pitches to practice on when you play April-June and then again in September. Money and investment is important obviously but the one day game has gone too far now at the expense of red ball cricket.
I’m hoping this debacle will prove a turning point just as 2015 did in the white ball game. But as I said I won’t hold my breath!
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 29, 2021 10:37:15 GMT
Knowing very little about cricket, but interested in the Ashes... I would just have to say that Australia are 9/1 for a 5-0 victory. Which looks decent odds to me. A little tighter now, 5-4 at best! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 29, 2021 14:54:23 GMT
Knowing very little about cricket, but interested in the Ashes... I would just have to say that Australia are 9/1 for a 5-0 victory. Which looks decent odds to me. A little tighter now, 5-4 at best! They could have saved a lot of time and money by playing the Fourth Test straight away at the end of the Third Test. There was still two whole days and two sessions left. Plenty of time for the Aussies to win again. They should have just tossed up and carried on playing. |
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