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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 20:48:22 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? Read that link I popped up earlier buddy, it addresses this exact point. It's very interesting. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 21:00:38 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? 😂😂 You have to laugh don't you. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2021 21:03:53 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? Sorry Astafjevs I edited it to Lebonese,not Libyan,a little tired. Well Roman,Lebanese and I think Libyans were not black. Maybe people saw Afrrica and assumed black. I think serious historians using all records available are sure Septimus was not black. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2021 21:05:13 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? The thing is Bas, it doesn't have to be one thing or the other. This is where poor old Oldie is totally stuck and always lets himself down. Don't fall in to the same trap. Read the piece on that link I provided. Oldie will hate it as it proves that Holding is wrong, again, but he won't be able to counter it, so like an angry five year old he'll stamp around in little circles and say something that addresses nothing, then in his own head he'll be triumphant. Be better than that. Will do, but tomorrow early night for me. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 21:06:21 GMT
I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? Sorry Astafjevs I edited it to Lebonese,not Libyan,a little tired. Well Roman,Lebanese and I think Libyans were not black. Maybe people saw Afrrica and assumed black. I think serious historians using all records available are sure Septimus was not black. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by absent on Nov 8, 2021 21:09:06 GMT
I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? Read that link I popped up earlier buddy, it addresses this exact point. It's very interesting. I think the fresco at the end paints a convincing argument that the artist intended for Severus to be portrayed as darker skinned than the people he is depicted with. Beyond that, I agree with the author of the article. It didn't matter then, and it doesn't matter now. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 21:09:50 GMT
So anyway
Where is the evidence that anyone is rewriting history as our resident "person" laid claim to at the outset?
Answer: None.
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 21:10:52 GMT
Read that link I popped up earlier buddy, it addresses this exact point. It's very interesting. I think the fresco at the end paints a convincing argument that the artist intended for Severus to be portrayed as darker skinned than the people he is depicted with. Beyond that, I agree with the author of the article. It didn't matter then, and it doesn't matter now. Exactly. But it does to some, obviously. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 21:12:13 GMT
So anyway Where is the evidence that anyone is rewriting history as our resident "person" laid claim to at the outset? Answer: None. You are just making yourself look silly now. Either keep up or, with all due respect, keep quiet. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 8, 2021 21:12:44 GMT
Interesting debate. Stay polite. Be respectful.
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 21:13:35 GMT
So anyway Where is the evidence that anyone is rewriting history as our resident "person" laid claim to at the outset? Answer: None. You are just making yourself look silly now. Either keep up or, with all due respect, keep quiet. 🤫🤫🤫 Still waiting for Basel to justify his opening claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 21:17:45 GMT
You are just making yourself look silly now. Either keep up or, with all due respect, keep quiet. 🤫🤫🤫 Still waiting for Basel to justify his opening claim. As said at least twice already, he's done it, everybody has seen it and agrees, apart from you, that's because you'll have to admit that you are wrong, and you think that's beneath you. This isn't conversation or debate, it's just stupidity, but it's what you always do. Why don't you take it somewhere else, you are just tiresome. If you do insist on staying, admit that you made a complete fool of yourself with regards to the point raised by Alf earlier today. Elgin marbles from Italy. Good grief! And you want to lecture Bas on history. It's laughable. Yes I am stuck on this point now until you apologise to Bas for talking down to him on the subject and admit that you were wrong. |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 9, 2021 7:37:14 GMT
Which one invented the light bulb? Halogenus Ledium I hope you`re not making that up, Dr F. Just remember; every time you tell a lie, a little fairy has to die. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 9, 2021 8:09:44 GMT
I hope you`re not making that up, Dr F. Just remember; every time you tell a lie, a little fairy has to die. "a little fairy has to die." - I am surprised at you Alf. There is no need in this day and age to be Sizest or Homophobic. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2021 8:59:15 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Nov 9, 2021 18:21:37 GMT
Absolutely get Holdings nonsense book off the shelves.It's rubbish. As for the music link of any musician has been cheated,then they deserve justice for their work and talent. Plenty of thievery/plagiarism in music. I've no problem with that (justice). I'll look at the link another time. Edit.Had a quick look. All of that may be true,but you could call the same on white stealing from white,black on white,black on black and white on black. I listen to Classic FM almost every day.I will know some of the black composers mentioned works , the music I recognise,but struggle to remember composers and music titles. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 9, 2021 19:20:40 GMT
Here's one you may of heard of... This is a quote from Holdings book. "Thomas Eddison invented a light bulb with a paper filament,it lit up the room for sure ,but it burnt out by the time you fooled your fingers." "The man that invented the carbon filament that burnt and burnt,allowing us to have lightbulb for years and years,was Lewis Hamilton Latimar." "In 1882 Latimar recieved the patent for that carbon filament." "He literally lit up our homes and streets". This is untrue. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. In England Joseph Swan was granted a patent lightbulb with a catbon filament in 1860. In America Eddison was given a patent for lightbulb with a carbon filament in 1879. Check it out. Eddison light bulbs did not only burn for seconds ,but for 1200 hours.In 1860 a steamship was fitted with electric lights of this design and by 1881 they were being used in buildings as well. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. What he did do was come up with a way of producing filaments in difference shapes.His patent for that was granted 1882 3 years after Eddisons. I can't manage to link a picture of the patent certificates,but I have the numbers. For Edisons electric light bulb with carbon filament it's number 4576,10th November 1879.That confirmed in London. For Latimers producing carbon filaments it's number 252,386,17th January,1882.That confirmed in the USA. So you can still see the patent certificates (if you're relatively skilled on the internet) That being evidence - proof? - that Holding got it wrong. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 9, 2021 22:27:52 GMT
Here's one you may of heard of... This is a quote from Holdings book. "Thomas Eddison invented a light bulb with a paper filament,it lit up the room for sure ,but it burnt out by the time you fooled your fingers." "The man that invented the carbon filament that burnt and burnt,allowing us to have lightbulb for years and years,was Lewis Hamilton Latimar." "In 1882 Latimar recieved the patent for that carbon filament." "He literally lit up our homes and streets". This is untrue. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. In England Joseph Swan was granted a patent lightbulb with a catbon filament in 1860. In America Eddison was given a patent for lightbulb with a carbon filament in 1879. Check it out. Eddison light bulbs did not only burn for seconds ,but for 1200 hours.In 1860 a steamship was fitted with electric lights of this design and by 1881 they were being used in buildings as well. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. What he did do was come up with a way of producing filaments in difference shapes.His patent for that was granted 1882 3 years after Eddisons. I can't manage to link a picture of the patent certificates,but I have the numbers. For Edisons electric light bulb with carbon filament it's number 4576,10th November 1879.That confirmed in London. For Latimers producing carbon filaments it's number 252,386,17th January,1882.That confirmed in the USA. So you can still see the patent certificates (if you're relatively skilled on the internet) That being evidence - proof? - that Holding got it wrong. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 23:00:49 GMT
Here's one you may of heard of... This is a quote from Holdings book. "Thomas Eddison invented a light bulb with a paper filament,it lit up the room for sure ,but it burnt out by the time you fooled your fingers." "The man that invented the carbon filament that burnt and burnt,allowing us to have lightbulb for years and years,was Lewis Hamilton Latimar." "In 1882 Latimar recieved the patent for that carbon filament." "He literally lit up our homes and streets". This is untrue. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. In England Joseph Swan was granted a patent lightbulb with a catbon filament in 1860. In America Eddison was given a patent for lightbulb with a carbon filament in 1879. Check it out. Eddison light bulbs did not only burn for seconds ,but for 1200 hours.In 1860 a steamship was fitted with electric lights of this design and by 1881 they were being used in buildings as well. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. What he did do was come up with a way of producing filaments in difference shapes.His patent for that was granted 1882 3 years after Eddisons. I can't manage to link a picture of the patent certificates,but I have the numbers. For Edisons electric light bulb with carbon filament it's number 4576,10th November 1879.That confirmed in London. For Latimers producing carbon filaments it's number 252,386,17th January,1882.That confirmed in the USA. So you can still see the patent certificates (if you're relatively skilled on the internet) That being evidence - proof? - that Holding got it wrong. Could it be that Latimer developed a better version of filament which was registered under a different patent number? In which case, I'm not sure I understand the problem, it's a bit like trying to say that Otto shouldn't be given credit for the first 4 stroke internal combustion engine because the design was refined later. To do that would be revisionist silliness. And here's the thing, I've spent over 40 years in a business built around engineering and mechanical engineering and know the name Nicholaus Otto, I also know some other pioneers, such as Felix w***el, ( ha, the forum swear filters are stopping me writing this guy's name, it's W, followed by the letter a, then nkel) he invented the rotary engine, but I couldn't tell you the names of every person of colour who made a significant improvement on design along the way, and it's stupid to expect me to be able to. But I'm sure there have been plenty of exceptional non-white inventors and engineers who have done their part. Who precisely ever said that there hadn't? |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 10, 2021 7:33:03 GMT
I can't manage to link a picture of the patent certificates,but I have the numbers. For Edisons electric light bulb with carbon filament it's number 4576,10th November 1879.That confirmed in London. For Latimers producing carbon filaments it's number 252,386,17th January,1882.That confirmed in the USA. So you can still see the patent certificates (if you're relatively skilled on the internet) That being evidence - proof? - that Holding got it wrong. Could it be that Latimer developed a better version of filament which was registered under a different patent number? Maybe. But did he take 249 Test wickets? |
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