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Post by baselswh on Nov 7, 2021 15:14:01 GMT
Agreed with all of that TWD. Do you notice as well that there's never any content to his posts, all he ever does is point fingers and make accusations at others. Yes.I had it down as plain rude,but it's a tactic.It feels like a verbal scrap,rather than chat. It's difficult and disappointing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 23:48:59 GMT
Irony meltdown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 0:09:24 GMT
That's all the encouragement he'll need to feed off of for another week of circular nonsense. I don't care that much though, maybe he'll stray into economics, then it'll get really funny. |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 8, 2021 9:30:11 GMT
Here's one you may of heard of... This is a quote from Holdings book. "Thomas Eddison invented a light bulb with a paper filament,it lit up the room for sure ,but it burnt out by the time you flicked your fingers." "The man that invented the carbon filament that burnt and burnt,allowing us to have lightbulb for years and years,was Lewis Hamilton Latimar." "In 1882 Latimar recieved the patent for that carbon filament." "He literally lit up our homes and streets". This is untrue. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. In England Joseph Swan was granted a patent lightbulb with a catbon filament in 1860. In America Eddison was given a patent for lightbulb with a carbon filament in 1879. Check it out. Eddison light bulbs did not only burn for seconds ,but for 1200 hours.In 1860 a steamship was fitted with electric lights of this design and by 1881 they were being used in buildings as well. Latimar did not invent the carbon filament for light bulbs. What he did do was come up with a way of producing filaments in difference shapes.His patent for that was granted 1882 3 years after Eddisons. Not good enough for Oldie. Good enough for me. You have given the specific details (as requested) of where Michael Holding has attempted to re-write history with a lie. At this point (if I was Oldie) I would say "fair enough, in this particular instance you would appear to have a point". To occasionally concede a point, is a strong debating tactic. It makes you appear open-minded, balanced and reasonable. Rather than a James O'Brien type character. IMHO, of course. |
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Post by alftupper on Nov 8, 2021 9:34:28 GMT
That's all the encouragement he'll need to feed off of for another week of circular nonsense. I don't care that much though, maybe he'll stray into economics, then it'll get really funny. It`s not as if he has any great knowledge of history either. It wasn`t long back, that he was demanding we return the Elgin Marbles to Italy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 11:04:13 GMT
That's all the encouragement he'll need to feed off of for another week of circular nonsense. I don't care that much though, maybe he'll stray into economics, then it'll get really funny. It`s not as if he has any great knowledge of history either. It wasn`t long back, that he was demanding we return the Elgin Marbles to Italy.
Perfectly reasonable. Let's get Hermes couriers to drop the Koh-I-Noor off to Canada at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 11:11:01 GMT
Not good enough for Oldie. Good enough for me. You have given the specific details (as requested) of where Michael Holding has attempted to re-write history with a lie. At this point (if I was Oldie) I would say "fair enough, in this particular instance you would appear to have a point". To occasionally concede a point, is a strong debating tactic. It makes you appear open-minded, balanced and reasonable. Rather than a James O'Brien type character. IMHO, of course. He didn't even read the point being made by Bas epping, he never does. I've been around this loop with him endless times. I used to think he was a bit of a wind up merchant, but he'll get so angry when pressed on a point, if he was doing it to mock someone he would be winning every time he receives a reply, so wouldn't get cross. One thing's for sure, he won't apologise to Bas and he won't read that book and objectively analyse its contents for himself, all he'll do is start with his own conclusions then accuse anybody who doesn't agree of being a racist or bigot. |
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Post by absent on Nov 8, 2021 11:50:18 GMT
So far we've got the obscure early development of things that may or may not have been the precursors to modern spark plugs, and the development of the production of the filament in lightbulbs.
Have we got any actual meaningful or consequential examples of any 'history' being falsely changed?
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2021 15:15:17 GMT
So far we've got the obscure early development of things that may or may not have been the precursors to modern spark plugs, and the development of the production of the filament in lightbulbs. Have we got any actual meaningful or consequential examples of any 'history' being falsely changed? Precisely. I couldn't be bothered with Basel He clearly had not bought or even read the book he was quoting from. He just (apparently) searches the internet for quotes that appeal to him. On this specific issue, the guy that Holding was referring to was granted a patent. To the best of my knowledge you do not get granted a patent if what you are applying for already exists. I have no idea of the chronology of light bulb or spark plug development...I don't think it's relevant. The point Holding is making is that historically the contributions of non white people to scientific or cultural development has never been truly recognised. I believe that to be manifestly the case. You have to ask yourself, Epping, why Basel gets upset when this is raised. I know what I believe, so no, it's not fair do's at all. He quoted page 190, but admitted he doesn't have the book. (That doesn't mean he isn't accurate, but I would question how he could possibly know) What he is, is there for all to see. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2021 15:48:36 GMT
So far we've got the obscure early development of things that may or may not have been the precursors to modern spark plugs, and the development of the production of the filament in lightbulbs. Have we got any actual meaningful or consequential examples of any 'history' being falsely changed? Precisely. I couldn't be bothered with Basel He clearly had not bought or even read the book he was quoting from. He just (apparently) searches the internet for quotes that appeal to him. On this specific issue, the guy that Holding was referring to was granted a patent. To the best of my knowledge you do not get granted a patent if what you are applying for already exists. I have no idea of the chronology of light bulb or spark plug development...I don't think it's relevant. The point Holding is making is that historically the contributions of non white people to scientific or cultural development has never been truly recognised. I believe that to be manifestly the case. You have to ask yourself, Epping, why Basel gets upset when this is raised. I know what I believe, so no, it's not fair do's at all. He quoted page 190, but admitted he doesn't have the book. (That doesn't mean he isn't accurate, but I would question how he could possibly know) What he is, is there for all to see. He clearly still has'nt read my post and instead carrys on his attempt at a hatchet job on me. Such an embittered individual. Read it again,good luck. Anyone up for the black Roman Emperor? Thing is,if even with names,country of origin and year you still won't bother to check what I claim,what's the point? Best just carry on the hatchet job ay Oldie. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 15:57:34 GMT
So far we've got the obscure early development of things that may or may not have been the precursors to modern spark plugs, and the development of the production of the filament in lightbulbs. Have we got any actual meaningful or consequential examples of any 'history' being falsely changed? Precisely. I couldn't be bothered with Basel He clearly had not bought or even read the book he was quoting from. He just (apparently) searches the internet for quotes that appeal to him. On this specific issue, the guy that Holding was referring to was granted a patent. To the best of my knowledge you do not get granted a patent if what you are applying for already exists. I have no idea of the chronology of light bulb or spark plug development...I don't think it's relevant. The point Holding is making is that historically the contributions of non white people to scientific or cultural development has never been truly recognised. I believe that to be manifestly the case. You have to ask yourself, Epping, why Basel gets upset when this is raised. I know what I believe, so no, it's not fair do's at all. He quoted page 190, but admitted he doesn't have the book. (That doesn't mean he isn't accurate, but I would question how he could possibly know) What he is, is there for all to see. Yep, and what he is is right. Couldn't be bothered? It's as daft as that Monty Python sketch where the bloke gets all his limbs cut off but still thinks he's won the fight. Bas satisfied your demand, you have references, you have the precise chronology. Just be a grown up, just for once, apologise to him, read more, learn, and move on. Anyway, on to your next mistake. In what universe precisely should those marbles be returned to Italy? |
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 8, 2021 16:25:35 GMT
Not getting involved in any arguments, as I have a life, but Lucius Septimius Severus was the only black Roman Emperor.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2021 16:43:30 GMT
Not getting involved in any arguments, as I have a life, but Lucius Septimius Severus was the only black Roman Emperor. So some claim DrF. I'll offer what I believe later. Work.... |
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 8, 2021 16:46:30 GMT
Please excuse me. I meant the FIRST black Roman Emperor. There have been 3 or 4, I think.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 8, 2021 17:16:48 GMT
Please excuse me. I meant the FIRST black Roman Emperor. There have been 3 or 4, I think. Which one invented the light bulb? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 17:55:26 GMT
Personally I'm not particularly interested in dividing us down by skin colour, and I'm opposed to the term 'race' as I'm comfortable with the what's demonstrated by the National Geographic Geno DNA research, which traces all remaining human life back to Africa, and not so many generations ago, so we are all more closely related than the bigots on both sides would care to admit. However, here's an interesting little piece about Septimius Severus; talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/09/07/was-septimius-severus-a-black-roman-emperor/ |
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 8, 2021 18:09:01 GMT
Please excuse me. I meant the FIRST black Roman Emperor. There have been 3 or 4, I think. Which one invented the light bulb? Halogenus Ledium |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 8, 2021 19:48:00 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding.
One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon.
Any records of the milkman?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 20:24:18 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? The thing is Bas, it doesn't have to be one thing or the other. This is where poor old Oldie is totally stuck and always lets himself down. Don't fall in to the same trap. Read the piece on that link I provided. Oldie will hate it as it proves that Holding is wrong, again, but he won't be able to counter it, so like an angry five year old he'll stamp around in little circles and say something that addresses nothing, then in his own head he'll be triumphant. Be better than that. |
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Post by absent on Nov 8, 2021 20:26:51 GMT
Septimus Severus was a black Emperor according to Michael Holding. One parent Roman - not black -,the other a Semite from what is now Lebanon. Any records of the milkman? I'd don't think we can comment on the skin colour of a man from North Africa in the year c.100 with much certainty. He was definitely African by modern definitions. What did 'Libyans' look like in Roman times? |
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