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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 1, 2021 11:59:20 GMT
I think John Barnes was a classic case of "i was a premier player" and he along with Paul Ince thought ir would be a doddle being head coach/ manager, they both got a very rude awakening, If they had gone down the Martin O'niell route and learnt the art through players of "lesser" ability in the lower leagues then they may well have trod different paths in the managerial stakes I’m afraid to say that Barnes used the is it cos i is black line one too many times. Fact is he got the Celtic job due to his high profile and not managerial skills, he’s been an epic failure at every club he’s had a chanced at. People should get hired on talent and not profile or popularity. John Barnes cried wolf too many times, that is just my opinion, of course Absolutely! Well said... |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 1, 2021 12:43:53 GMT
I think John Barnes was a classic case of "i was a premier player" and he along with Paul Ince thought ir would be a doddle being head coach/ manager, they both got a very rude awakening, If they had gone down the Martin O'niell route and learnt the art through players of "lesser" ability in the lower leagues then they may well have trod different paths in the managerial stakes I’m afraid to say that Barnes used the is it cos i is black line one too many times. Fact is he got the Celtic job due to his high profile and not managerial skills, he’s been an epic failure at every club he’s had a chanced at. People should get hired on talent and not profile or popularity. John Barnes cried wolf too many times, that is just my opinion, of course I think if you played football through the 80's and 90's as a black person you would have every right to that perception. Racism was rampant when Barnes was a player and it was unfashionable for a black person to be apppointed as a manager. For whatever reason, Barnes as a manager wasnt as good as Barnes as a player, he had 2 goes at club level, one at Celtic and one at Tranmere and both were disasterous. As someone else had written, perhaps looking at his methods and man management and studying people at other clubs may have helped, if the opportunity was there to do so. I also dont recall Barnes ever saying hes never gotten a job because he was black. He has stated that the opportunities arent always there for black coaches, which maybe factual. Rather than be dismissive of that, especially if you are a white person, I think that the FA need to drill into that and really find out why there are so few black coaches in the game. Lewis Hamilton is doing something similar with BAME people in engineering and teaching. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 1, 2021 12:56:18 GMT
Where's your evidence Joe has acted in a 'loutish' fashion in his job at Rovers? I congratulate WAQ on trying something new to get this struggling underachieving fc moving in the right direction. He's right to listen to disgruntled Gasheads, but not be swayed from his decision to hire Joe. I think Wael's move will be vindicated over the next year and if we haven't already returned to the 3rd tier, we'll be nicely on our way. Are you accusing his Wife of being untruthful during that phone call to the Police? Glad you think that dividing the fan base and alienating many life long supporters to achieve a 2 year stay in the basement division is a worthwhile exercise. Clear your head for just a moment, relax and let's play a game. Imagine Barton was across the river at 1982, would be still be so forgiving? At his job at Rovers. All fine. The Courts will do their thing and we'll see where we are. |
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Post by darloGAS on Nov 1, 2021 13:06:46 GMT
I’m afraid to say that Barnes used the is it cos i is black line one too many times. Fact is he got the Celtic job due to his high profile and not managerial skills, he’s been an epic failure at every club he’s had a chanced at. People should get hired on talent and not profile or popularity. John Barnes cried wolf too many times, that is just my opinion, of course I think if you played football through the 80's and 90's as a black person you would have every right to that perception. Racism was rampant when Barnes was a player and it was unfashionable for a black person to be apppointed as a manager. For whatever reason, Barnes as a manager wasnt as good as Barnes as a player, he had 2 goes at club level, one at Celtic and one at Tranmere and both were disasterous. As someone else had written, perhaps looking at his methods and man management and studying people at other clubs may have helped, if the opportunity was there to do so. I also dont recall Barnes ever saying hes never gotten a job because he was black. He has stated that the opportunities arent always there for black coaches, which maybe factual. Rather than be dismissive of that, especially if you are a white person, I think that the FA need to drill into that and really find out why there are so few black coaches in the game. Lewis Hamilton is doing something similar with BAME people in engineering and teaching. That's my recall as well. Incidentally, it's important to add that Byron Anthony says he's NOT a "bellend," as confidently as the second poster declared he is. #FactsMatter
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 13:07:52 GMT
Are you accusing his Wife of being untruthful during that phone call to the Police? Glad you think that dividing the fan base and alienating many life long supporters to achieve a 2 year stay in the basement division is a worthwhile exercise. Clear your head for just a moment, relax and let's play a game. Imagine Barton was across the river at 1982, would be still be so forgiving? At his job at Rovers. All fine. The Courts will do their thing and we'll see where we are. There you have it everybody. Bas is prepared to literally ignore anything and everything Barton does if it doesn't happen whilst he's on official club business. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 1, 2021 13:31:05 GMT
At his job at Rovers. All fine. The Courts will do their thing and we'll see where we are. There you have it everybody. Bas is prepared to literally ignore anything and everything Barton does if it doesn't happen whilst he's on official club business. I've separated the two TWD and "everybody" .😏 The Courts will do what they do and then we'll see. I think Joe is clever to work on his demons and get it right. On a football side,see us in 1 year. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 13:56:37 GMT
There you have it everybody. Bas is prepared to literally ignore anything and everything Barton does if it doesn't happen whilst he's on official club business. I've separated the two TWD and "everybody" .😏 The Courts will do what they do and then we'll see. I think Joe is clever to work on his demons and get it right. On a football side,see us in 1 year. In what way is he 'Getting it right' Bas? I've just reviewed my diary, and since this nasty individual has been here stinking the place out, my Wife hasn't phoned the Police once to complain about me assaulting her, I've not joked about being sent to prison, mainly because I never have been sent to prison, not for assault related incidents or anything else, and I've not had complaints aimed at me from Holocaust support and victim groups. His record as manager is dire as well. So you tell me, in what way is he 'getting things right'. I wouldn't care if we won the Champions' League with him in charge, that's a Faustian pact you can make if you are minded to do so, but leave people of good character and sound judgement out of it. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 1, 2021 14:08:57 GMT
I've separated the two TWD and "everybody" .😏 The Courts will do what they do and then we'll see. I think Joe is clever to work on his demons and get it right. On a football side,see us in 1 year. In what way is he 'Getting it right' Bas? I've just reviewed my diary, and since this nasty individual has been here stinking the place out, my Wife hasn't phoned the Police once to complain about me assaulting her, I've not joked about being sent to prison, mainly because I never have been sent to prison, not for assault related incidents or anything else, and I've not had complaints aimed at me from Holocaust support and victim groups. His record as manager is dire as well. So you tell me, in what way is he 'getting things right'. I wouldn't care if we won the Champions' League with him in charge, that's a Faustian pact you can make if you are minded to do so, but leave people of good character and sound judgement out of it. His career in football depends on him "getting it right" and possiblyholding on to what appears to be a family that love him.He's a bright chap and so stands a chance of achieving the self scrutiny required.Some come through this violent illness. I have no idea if Joe is taking steps to understand the aggressive side of his nature.I imagined he is I certainly hope so. As for the football there are now signs of improvement, but it'll take time.I believe it's about time Rovers gave a manager a realistic time to build a team.Give Joe another year,to build on the now visible improvement.Commonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 14:24:31 GMT
In what way is he 'Getting it right' Bas? I've just reviewed my diary, and since this nasty individual has been here stinking the place out, my Wife hasn't phoned the Police once to complain about me assaulting her, I've not joked about being sent to prison, mainly because I never have been sent to prison, not for assault related incidents or anything else, and I've not had complaints aimed at me from Holocaust support and victim groups. His record as manager is dire as well. So you tell me, in what way is he 'getting things right'. I wouldn't care if we won the Champions' League with him in charge, that's a Faustian pact you can make if you are minded to do so, but leave people of good character and sound judgement out of it. His career in football depends on him "getting it right" and possiblyholding on to what appears to be a family that love him.He's a bright chap and so stands a chance of achieving the self scrutiny required.Some come through this violent illness. I have no idea if Joe is taking steps to understand the aggressive side of his nature.I imagined he is I certainly hope so. As for the football there are now signs of improvement, but it'll take time.I believe it's about time Rovers gave a manager a realistic time to build a team.Give Joe another year,to build on the now visible improvement.Commonsense. I guess Newport only stuck 3 past us, that's better than the 4 Exeter scored in half an hour. #gettingbetterallthetime |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 1, 2021 14:25:32 GMT
His career in football depends on him "getting it right" and possiblyholding on to what appears to be a family that love him.He's a bright chap and so stands a chance of achieving the self scrutiny required.Some come through this violent illness. I have no idea if Joe is taking steps to understand the aggressive side of his nature.I imagined he is I certainly hope so. As for the football there are now signs of improvement, but it'll take time.I believe it's about time Rovers gave a manager a realistic time to build a team.Give Joe another year,to build on the now visible improvement.Commonsense. I guess Newport only stuck 3 past us, that's better than the 4 Exeter scored in half an hour. #gettingbetterallthetime That's the spirit! |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 1, 2021 23:37:57 GMT
I’m afraid to say that Barnes used the is it cos i is black line one too many times. Fact is he got the Celtic job due to his high profile and not managerial skills, he’s been an epic failure at every club he’s had a chanced at. People should get hired on talent and not profile or popularity. John Barnes cried wolf too many times, that is just my opinion, of course I think if you played football through the 80's and 90's as a black person you would have every right to that perception. Racism was rampant when Barnes was a player and it was unfashionable for a black person to be apppointed as a manager. For whatever reason, Barnes as a manager wasnt as good as Barnes as a player, he had 2 goes at club level, one at Celtic and one at Tranmere and both were disasterous. As someone else had written, perhaps looking at his methods and man management and studying people at other clubs may have helped, if the opportunity was there to do so. I also dont recall Barnes ever saying hes never gotten a job because he was black. He has stated that the opportunities arent always there for black coaches, which maybe factual. Rather than be dismissive of that, especially if you are a white person, I think that the FA need to drill into that and really find out why there are so few black coaches in the game. Lewis Hamilton is doing something similar with BAME people in engineering and teaching. It is very simple really, hire people based upon talent and not pressure due to colour. Barnes has been very outspoken on the topic and feels hard done by |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 1, 2021 23:43:45 GMT
I think if you played football through the 80's and 90's as a black person you would have every right to that perception. Racism was rampant when Barnes was a player and it was unfashionable for a black person to be apppointed as a manager. For whatever reason, Barnes as a manager wasnt as good as Barnes as a player, he had 2 goes at club level, one at Celtic and one at Tranmere and both were disasterous. As someone else had written, perhaps looking at his methods and man management and studying people at other clubs may have helped, if the opportunity was there to do so. I also dont recall Barnes ever saying hes never gotten a job because he was black. He has stated that the opportunities arent always there for black coaches, which maybe factual. Rather than be dismissive of that, especially if you are a white person, I think that the FA need to drill into that and really find out why there are so few black coaches in the game. Lewis Hamilton is doing something similar with BAME people in engineering and teaching. That's my recall as well. Incidentally, it's important to add that Byron Anthony says he's NOT a "bellend," as confidently as the second poster declared he is. #FactsMatter
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 3, 2021 17:38:47 GMT
Well well well...... didn't see that coming!?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 18:04:07 GMT
Mint.
Welcome back Byron!
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Post by darloGAS on Nov 3, 2021 18:08:02 GMT
Unquestionably.
Croeso nol, Byron.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 3, 2021 18:58:33 GMT
hmm...that throws an interesting light on some of the contents of this thread
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 19:38:29 GMT
hmm...that throws an interesting light on some of the contents of this thread You mean the posts where if there was a 'Dislike' button would get lots of 'Dislikes'
Byron is a top man and a real gashead, same as Linesy and Campbell, all responsible for much success we enjoyed over the years.
Great to have him back here
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Post by baselswh on Nov 3, 2021 20:47:55 GMT
Agreed. Lord Byron returns ,apparently eager to work with Joe! 👍 |
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 3, 2021 20:48:48 GMT
Agreed. Lord Byron returns ,apparently eager to work with Joe! 👍 More like working with Hargreaves! |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 3, 2021 21:30:05 GMT
Agreed. Lord Byron returns ,apparently eager to work with Joe! 👍 More like working with Hargreaves! Haha! No two ways about it Laughing. Lord Byron has given Joe his blessing . |
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