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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 19:04:51 GMT
He knew he was on his way within the first 3 days of his arrival? I think his card was marked from day one, yes. You don't stay at a club for over 12 years without having the respect of both players and officials. He was always the wrong man for the job, I said so the day he was announced. Certain clubs suite certain managers, perhaps B***** is the right man for Rovers after all, the owner is smitten with him. well, I'm thinking.... it's all very well knowing your card is marked from Day 1, but a bloke of his experience should have the savoir faire to navigate that he clearly did have the respect at Exeter, but I'm not sure he took pains to build it at Rovers. I'm not hearing any evidence of it 'certain clubs suit certain players' is the sort of thing that sounds insightful, but can be completely meaningless or empty. In this case it doesn't tell me anything it does seem that Wael is smitten with Joeybag. I struggle to see why (Jbags' struggles with adversity match Rovers' struggles so it's a match?), and it does seem to run counter to your 'vote of confidence in 30 seconds after being taken by surprise' insight strange times
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 19:07:46 GMT
He knew he was on his way within the first 3 days of his arrival? I think his card was marked from day one, yes. You don't stay at a club for over 12 years without having the respect of both players and officials. He was always the wrong man for the job, I said so the day he was announced. Certain clubs suite certain managers, perhaps B***** is the right man for Rovers after all, the owner is smitten with him. I can understand it not being the best of circumstances to walk through the door and actually realise what the set up was.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 19:08:55 GMT
When B***** talks all the time about the "superb owner" I think he is taunting Wael not praising him. He has identified the weakness and is exploiting it to his own advantage just as a long line of players agents, other club owners, suppliers of goods and services, contractors and assorted hangers on have done for the past five years. surely Wael knows by now (and Lord he should have known aeons before making his move for the club) that it just goes with the territory. It's so bleedin' obvious I'm wondering if the story is true and I'm not so sure about B***** taunting. Others have said the same about Wael - including those who have left
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 19:15:47 GMT
Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. Not sure if you mean me Bath Gas but don't worry I have a very good pillory immune system ! Paul Tisdale has now confirmed that the premature move to the training ground on October 26th 2020 was a catastrophic mistake which, IMO, was one of the major causes of our managerial turmoil and eventual relegation. There's not much point in going over all that again other than to tie it in with something I've been told this week which is that Wael has been asking anyone who will listen to try to get Gasheads to stop criticising him. But he doesn't seem to be succeeding because I've just read a post on Gaschat from Jomo, who is usually a very reasoned contributor, which describes Wael's leadership as "shockingly bad, unprofessional and embarrassing". It appears Jomo will be joining me on the John Major like list of "b*st*rds" but can't Wael see that it is us "b*st*ards" who are trying to help him and it is the flatterers who are dragging him down? When B***** talks all the time about the "superb owner" I think he is taunting Wael not praising him. He has identified the weakness and is exploiting it to his own advantage just as a long line of players agents, other club owners, suppliers of goods and services, contractors and assorted hangers on have done for the past five years. Paul Tisdale is the kind of genuine person we needed at Rovers just as Lee Atkins, Steve Brookfield, Mike Turner and Steve Hamer were but instead, because of the weakness, we've gone in a completely different direction. Ah, not I didn't mean you, Swiss. Although I know that you are pillory proof! Personally, I didn't feel that PT was a good fit for Rovers, however, he should not have been expected to manage in the set up which was in place, so is no doubt relieved that he's out of it.
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Post by Angas on Oct 20, 2021 23:10:24 GMT
Swiss - please tell me I am right in assuming it was not WaQ who used that word to describe his critics.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 20, 2021 23:36:38 GMT
Swiss - please tell me I am right in assuming it was not WaQ who used that word to describe his critics. You are right Angas. It was a play on the John Major incident from 28 years ago when, in his frustration, he called his critics “ b*st*rds. www.theguardian.com/politics/1993/jul/25/politicalnews.uk
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 21, 2021 6:27:17 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved! I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.” A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing Blaming lockdown, when Hasselbaink went in Burton at the same time.
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 21, 2021 6:28:23 GMT
It might have helped him if he'd actually bothered to actually acknowledge some of the senior players during his early days. I think that it was always going to be a poisend chalice for him anyway, with Tommy sitting on his shoulder. Do you think, with hindsight, that Tis got a bit used to running the show after all those years in Exeter, so that he forgot the need to build relationships first when he joined rovers - it seems to me that he rubbed the whole place up the wrong way? He should have known it wasn't like that going in. No excuses for me.
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Post by Angas on Oct 21, 2021 9:56:10 GMT
Swiss - please tell me I am right in assuming it was not WaQ who used that word to describe his critics. You are right Angas. It was a play on the John Major incident from 28 years ago when, in his frustration, he called his critics “ b*st*rds. www.theguardian.com/politics/1993/jul/25/politicalnews.ukThank you. Just wanted to be sure.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 21, 2021 20:51:01 GMT
Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. Not sure if you mean me Bath Gas but don't worry I have a very good pillory immune system ! Paul Tisdale has now confirmed that the premature move to the training ground on October 26th 2020 was a catastrophic mistake which, IMO, was one of the major causes of our managerial turmoil and eventual relegation. There's not much point in going over all that again other than to tie it in with something I've been told this week which is that Wael has been asking anyone who will listen to try to get Gasheads to stop criticising him. But he doesn't seem to be succeeding because I've just read a post on Gaschat from Jomo, who is usually a very reasoned contributor, which describes Wael's leadership as "shockingly bad, unprofessional and embarrassing". It appears Jomo will be joining me on the John Major like list of "b*st*rds" but can't Wael see that it is us "b*st*ards" who are trying to help him and it is the flatterers who are dragging him down? When B***** talks all the time about the "superb owner" I think he is taunting Wael not praising him. He has identified the weakness and is exploiting it to his own advantage just as a long line of players agents, other club owners, suppliers of goods and services, contractors and assorted hangers on have done for the past five years. Paul Tisdale is the kind of genuine person we needed at Rovers just as Lee Atkins, Steve Brookfield, Mike Turner and Steve Hamer were but instead, because of the weakness, we've gone in a completely different direction. Swiss It is very unusual for me to disagree with much that you post on here and I definitely don't on this one.
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