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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 17:53:44 GMT
Up to date interview with interesting comments on players you inherit as a manager and a few words on his time at Rovers. Still a Grecian At Heart
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 19, 2021 18:08:44 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved!
I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out
Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?
“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.”
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Post by gasprom on Oct 19, 2021 18:26:56 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved! I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.” A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 4:01:55 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved! I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.”It might have helped him if he'd actually bothered to actually acknowledge some of the senior players during his early days. I think that it was always going to be a poisend chalice for him anyway, with Tommy sitting on his shoulder.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 4:05:19 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved! I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.” A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 5:56:07 GMT
A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. What do you think they are referring to Bath Gas - my only thought has been people pulling in different directions?
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 5:59:38 GMT
'50% of first-time managers who leave their post never get another opportunity in management' - Ben Garner must be relieved! I’ve never agreed with the notion that a manager can go into a football club and state that the players that he has inherited aren’t his. It is very easy to say to the press and the fans that you can only be judged when you have your ‘own’ squad. That for me is a kop out Your last managerial job was at Bristol Rovers. What did you learn from your experience with the Pirates?“I was not there long enough to learn anything in all honesty. I went into the club for eleven weeks at the height of lockdown with no office, no changing rooms, no meeting rooms and a squad that was already struggling. We started well in the first month then the next six weeks went quite poorly. There was not too much that I could have done. There were so many things that needed fixing within the place and during the height of lockdown, it was very hard to build relationships across the club as I normally would.”It might have helped him if he'd actually bothered to actually acknowledge some of the senior players during his early days. I think that it was always going to be a poisend chalice for him anyway, with Tommy sitting on his shoulder. Do you think, with hindsight, that Tis got a bit used to running the show after all those years in Exeter, so that he forgot the need to build relationships first when he joined rovers - it seems to me that he rubbed the whole place up the wrong way?
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 8:18:11 GMT
Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. What do you think they are referring to Bath Gas - my only thought has been people pulling in different directions? Yes, my thoughts too. I wasn't in favour of PT's appointment, however, it was ridiculous for a manager as experienced as he is to be expected to put up with somebody else wanting to meddle in team selection etc.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 8:22:31 GMT
It might have helped him if he'd actually bothered to actually acknowledge some of the senior players during his early days. I think that it was always going to be a poisend chalice for him anyway, with Tommy sitting on his shoulder. Do you think, with hindsight, that Tis got a bit used to running the show after all those years in Exeter, so that he forgot the need to build relationships first when he joined rovers - it seems to me that he rubbed the whole place up the wrong way? That's a very good point, it had been a long time since he was the "newbie" in the workplace, and maybe had forgotten that getting the basics right can set the tone as to how things go. After what he found behind the scenes, and I believe that he quickly sussed out the charlatans, he was probably relieved to get out.
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 20, 2021 9:07:20 GMT
A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. I don't think anyone would necessarily argue with B***** that there are things wrong at the club. Not sure bitching in the press every other week is doing anything to help it He slagged of Tommy and the scouting from day one and is now moaning they aren't there to help him allegedly The main problem is who is actually running the club. is it Starnes, Wael, B***** and his mates? Ultimately it's Wael's money and he surely doesn't want to see his manager slagging off the club in the press all the time. Again B***** probably has some valid points amongst the version of things he says, so Wael needs to get all the main players together and bang some heads together and lay down the law which ever way he decides We are a headless chicken of a club
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 9:11:03 GMT
It might have helped him if he'd actually bothered to actually acknowledge some of the senior players during his early days. I think that it was always going to be a poisend chalice for him anyway, with Tommy sitting on his shoulder. Do you think, with hindsight, that Tis got a bit used to running the show after all those years in Exeter, so that he forgot the need to build relationships first when he joined rovers - it seems to me that he rubbed the whole place up the wrong way? Widdrington caused the division by undermining him to protect his own position. B***** knew what went on and warned Widdrington off from day one and Wael went along with it by removing his DOF role.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 20, 2021 9:11:45 GMT
Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. I don't think anyone would necessarily argue with B***** that there are things wrong at the club. Not sure bitching in the press every other week is doing anything to help it He slagged of Tommy and the scouting from day one and is now moaning they aren't there to help him allegedly The main problem is who is actually running the club. is it Starnes, Wael, B***** and his mates? Ultimately it's Wael's money and he surely doesn't want to see his manager slagging off the club in the press all the time. Again B***** probably has some valid points amongst the version of things he says, so Wael needs to get all the main players together and bang some heads together and lay down the law which ever way he decides We are a headless chicken of a club Sir - you do a disservice to headless chickens.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 9:49:14 GMT
Do you think, with hindsight, that Tis got a bit used to running the show after all those years in Exeter, so that he forgot the need to build relationships first when he joined rovers - it seems to me that he rubbed the whole place up the wrong way? Widdrington caused the division by undermining him to protect his own position. B***** knew what went on and warned Widdrington off from day one and Wael went along with it by removing his DOF role. From a distance it doesn't sound like it was a Widders-only issue tho Pop
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 9:59:00 GMT
Widdrington caused the division by undermining him to protect his own position. B***** knew what went on and warned Widdrington off from day one and Wael went along with it by removing his DOF role. From a distance it doesn't sound like it was a Widders-only issue tho Pop Widdrington got between the players and Tisdale. Some went along with the "Ignore him, I'm in charge" message from Widdrington. It was doomed from the start.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 20, 2021 10:11:35 GMT
From a distance it doesn't sound like it was a Widders-only issue tho Pop Widdrington got between the players and Tisdale. Some went along with the "Ignore him, I'm in charge" message from Widdrington. It was doomed from the start. Tis is a very confident and assertive character It sounds like this set off Widders' insecurity
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 10:19:52 GMT
From a distance it doesn't sound like it was a Widders-only issue tho Pop Widdrington got between the players and Tisdale. Some went along with the "Ignore him, I'm in charge" message from Widdrington. It was doomed from the start. Don't think Tisdale helped his cause by appearing to be rather aloof, and not engaging with players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 13:57:00 GMT
Widdrington got between the players and Tisdale. Some went along with the "Ignore him, I'm in charge" message from Widdrington. It was doomed from the start. Don't think Tisdale helped his cause by appearing to be rather aloof, and not engaging with players. I think you will find that was when he knew he was on his way. As I said, how can you engage when the DOF is telling the players to ignore him as "I'm the gaffer." B***** didn't allow the same to happen to him as he was pre warned.
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Post by Bath Gas on Oct 20, 2021 14:07:17 GMT
Don't think Tisdale helped his cause by appearing to be rather aloof, and not engaging with players. I think you will find that was when he knew he was on his way. As I said, how can you engage when the DOF is telling the players to ignore him as "I'm the gaffer." B***** didn't allow the same to happen to him as he was pre warned. He knew he was on his way within the first 3 days of his arrival?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 14:12:27 GMT
I think you will find that was when he knew he was on his way. As I said, how can you engage when the DOF is telling the players to ignore him as "I'm the gaffer." B***** didn't allow the same to happen to him as he was pre warned. He knew he was on his way within the first 3 days of his arrival? I think his card was marked from day one, yes. You don't stay at a club for over 12 years without having the respect of both players and officials. He was always the wrong man for the job, I said so the day he was announced. Certain clubs suite certain managers, perhaps B***** is the right man for Rovers after all, the owner is smitten with him.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 20, 2021 18:53:57 GMT
A sensible professional answer. No character assassinations, conspiracy theories, phone calls to Mike Jones. Refreshing Just points out that there are a lot of thing wrong at the club - I think somebody else said something similar recently, and got pilloried for it. Not sure if you mean me Bath Gas but don't worry I have a very good pillory immune system ! Paul Tisdale has now confirmed that the premature move to the training ground on October 26th 2020 was a catastrophic mistake which, IMO, was one of the major causes of our managerial turmoil and eventual relegation. There's not much point in going over all that again other than to tie it in with something I've been told this week which is that Wael has been asking anyone who will listen to try to get Gasheads to stop criticising him. But he doesn't seem to be succeeding because I've just read a post on Gaschat from Jomo, who is usually a very reasoned contributor, which describes Wael's leadership as "shockingly bad, unprofessional and embarrassing". It appears Jomo will be joining me on the John Major like list of "b*st*rds" but can't Wael see that it is us "b*st*ards" who are trying to help him and it is the flatterers who are dragging him down? When B***** talks all the time about the "superb owner" I think he is taunting Wael not praising him. He has identified the weakness and is exploiting it to his own advantage just as a long line of players agents, other club owners, suppliers of goods and services, contractors and assorted hangers on have done for the past five years. Paul Tisdale is the kind of genuine person we needed at Rovers just as Lee Atkins, Steve Brookfield, Mike Turner and Steve Hamer were but instead, because of the weakness, we've gone in a completely different direction.
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