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Post by lostinspace on Sept 17, 2021 19:59:57 GMT
Administrators appointed this evening,,,, and accordinglt are deducted 12 points for doing so!!
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Sept 17, 2021 20:52:31 GMT
Wow.Fab ground and amazing facilities.Their Disabled area is like a five star hotel.12 point deduction will put them bottom on minus five.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 18, 2021 8:19:13 GMT
Although Derby look a particularly bad basket case... they are not alone. There are plenty of other Clubs out there in a precarious state. I've been a critic of Wael Al-Qadi - but as long as he's prepared to cover losses and stay with us, we're lucky to have him. BBC write up: (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58604851)
Championship side Derby County are set to go into administration amid their continued financial problems. The club, which is up for sale, said despite negotiations with a number of "credible parties", identifying a buyer was unlikely in the short term. The English Football League confirmed they would face a 12-point deduction. In a statement the Rams said Covid-19 had a "severe impact" on revenues and they "had no choice" but to appoint administrators to protect the club. It claims the pandemic has cost them around £20m in lost revenue and left them "unable to service its day-to-day financial obligations". "We cannot stress enough how devastating it is to be forced into this position," the board's statement said. "This season, Covid-19 has continued to have a negative effect on revenues. "Unlike other sectors, football has been able to only marginally reduce its cost base with the majority of outgoings being associated with playing staff who obviously could not be furloughed." Derby, managed by former England captain Wayne Rooney, are 16th in the table with seven points from their first seven matches.
A 12-point deduction would leave them with minus-five points and 10 points from safety. Rams already facing points loss Their accounts for 2016, 2017 and 2018 are already being re-examined after they were found to have broken accounting rules and they could face more points deductions for that. The Rams were fined £100,000 and reprimanded in July by the English Football League for that breach. Derby owner Mel Morris has been trying to sell the club since June 2019, but has already had two prospective sales fall through. In March Derventio Holdings, who were backed by the Abu Dhabi-based Bin Zayed Group, saw their takeover bid end while another from Spanish businessman Erik Alonso was called off in May. The Rams have been under a transfer embargo since before the summer window opened, meaning Rooney was only allowed to sign free agents with strict conditions on salaries.
On the field, the Rams have won just one of their seven league matches this season and drawn four, leaving them two points above the relegation zone. They host Stoke City at Pride Park in the Championship on Saturday.
Analysis Ed Dawes - BBC Radio Derby's Derby County commentator Fans will look at that statement and think Derby County have been spending a lot in the last decade. They have signed some players who have potentially been over-priced, there's been some big wages, others have been sold for less than they were signed for. But this is the end-game for what has been at least six years of questionable management of the business and the football club. Big Derby fans have been through this in 1983 and through the ownership of Robert Maxwell, but they've not seen the club put into administration by an ownership. It's a very sad day for the club and supporters.
BBC Sport's Simon Stone This is the moment owner Mel Morris had been desperate to avoid. Morris has been talking to prospective new owners and negotiating with the EFL in a bid to steer Derby through the choppy financial waters they were in. Slowly though, all avenues have been closed. It will be interesting to see the reaction of MSD, Derby's major lender, to this news. Also, with the transfer window closed, where will Derby find the funds to continue to operate? If this news wasn't bad enough, there is the prospect of another nine point deduction for previous financial issues the EFL have been investigating, in addition to the 12 going into administration would bring. Manager Wayne Rooney has battled against all this but League One now appears inevitable.
Football finance expert Kieran Maguire The most important thing is that whatever happens at the end of this, there is still a Derby County to support. It's not the end, but it's going to be a very tough period of time. You have to try and separate the football club from its owners and executives. From afar, they appear to have really let everybody else down. The profligate expenditure since Mel Morris took over, wages effectively trebled from £16m in 2014 to £47m by 2018.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 16, 2021 13:11:30 GMT
Deducted a further 9 points today for accountancy irregularities, relegation is a definite possibility this season, unless the Rooney boy can work miracles!!
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 18, 2021 11:14:38 GMT
As it stands Derby are on -3 points 18 from safety or at least 6 wins, highly unlikely to survive the drop for this season.
Also Reading have become the second side to be docked points for breaches of the EFL’s Profitability and Sustainability rules.
The Royals follow Derby County in being hit with a penalty after losing £57.8m - £18.8m in excess of the £39.0m allowed Upper Loss Threshold.
However, the cases are not identical. Derby were hit with nine points - plus three more suspended - for their accounting practices.
Reading’s situation is similar to Birmingham's in 2019 when they simply lost more money than is permitted by the governing body.
Birmingham were punished with a nine-point deduction. By comparison, Reading have been hit with six points this season and a further six suspended until the end of 2022/23.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 19, 2021 10:17:59 GMT
You have to wonder how many other clubs " on the fringe" are about to be revealed as default accounts, when we see the amount that Pantsdown has "written off" in his investment into the club for the so called ultimate prize of PL football , Are the two expenses not linked , income -- expenditure and then write off .. 🤔
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 20, 2021 11:31:24 GMT
HMRC Reveal that Derby County and it's associated companies owe them in excess of £28 million pounds !!! They would be on me like a ton of bricks chasing £100, let alone that amount,just how do they get away with it?!!
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 21, 2021 9:32:40 GMT
HMRC Reveal that Derby County and it's associated companies owe them in excess of £28 million pounds !!! They would be on me like a ton of bricks chasing £100, let alone that amount,just how do they get away with it?!! Increasingly - they're not! There can only be more bad news to come from badly run, unsustainable Clubs across the EFL. Although I'm a critic of our owner - it does look like he covers Rovers losses and he should be applauded for that. Though he is the person responsible for racking up the losses!
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 21, 2021 9:55:45 GMT
HMRC Reveal that Derby County and it's associated companies owe them in excess of £28 million pounds !!! They would be on me like a ton of bricks chasing £100, let alone that amount,just how do they get away with it?!! Increasingly - they're not! There can only be more bad news to come from badly run, unsustainable Clubs across the EFL. Although I'm a critic of our owner - it does look like he covers Rovers losses and he should be applauded for that. Though he is the person responsible for racking up the losses! [b I get the losses he has incurred, but after " paying off" the previous incumbent, he has had to restructure the whole set up, which, as I think we all agree was a total shambles and was going only one way.. administration!! IMO a lot of the losses have been on the restructure ,yes he has made mistakes big time but ( apart from you know who) I think they will improve, if he can get someone on board with a more businesses element to their game than his love of football, which is his downfall
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 21, 2021 10:31:39 GMT
Increasingly - they're not! There can only be more bad news to come from badly run, unsustainable Clubs across the EFL. Although I'm a critic of our owner - it does look like he covers Rovers losses and he should be applauded for that. Though he is the person responsible for racking up the losses! [b I get the losses he has incurred, but after " paying off" the previous incumbent, he has had to restructure the whole set up, which, as I think we all agree was a total shambles and was going only one way.. administration!! IMO a lot of the losses have been on the restructure ,yes he has made mistakes big time but ( apart from you know who) I think they will improve, if he can get someone on board with a more businesses element to their game than his love of football, which is his downfall I think a lot of money has been totally wasted in the last 5 1/2 years - but concede that some of it has been well spent on necessary "restructuring". Totally agree the last bit - and it's a conclusion that pretty much everyone has come to. There is a real lack of football related business acumen at Board level. Losing Starnes - so what! What did he ever bring to the table? Having 2 SC reps on the Board is a positive step. Tom Gorringe as CEO? I wish him well. He's a good communicator and his heart is in the right place. His job brief must now include over-seeing a totally refurbished Memorial Stadium, or acquiring land and building a new Stadium. Tarting up the bars and shop is one thing. Delivering a 15-20k stadium that is fit for purpose in the 21st century is another! I hope my cynicism (it is my default) is proven wrong.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 21, 2021 10:51:45 GMT
[b I get the losses he has incurred, but after " paying off" the previous incumbent, he has had to restructure the whole set up, which, as I think we all agree was a total shambles and was going only one way.. administration!! IMO a lot of the losses have been on the restructure ,yes he has made mistakes big time but ( apart from you know who) I think they will improve, if he can get someone on board with a more businesses element to their game than his love of football, which is his downfall I think a lot of money has been totally wasted in the last 5 1/2 years - but concede that some of it has been well spent on necessary "restructuring". Totally agree the last bit - and it's a conclusion that pretty much everyone has come to. There is a real lack of football related business acumen at Board level. Losing Starnes - so what! What did he ever bring to the table? Having 2 SC reps on the Board is a positive step. Tom Gorringe as CEO? I wish him well. He's a good communicator and his heart is in the right place. His job brief must now include over-seeing a totally refurbished Memorial Stadium, or acquiring land and building a new Stadium. Tarting up the bars and shop is one thing. Delivering a 15-20k stadium that is fit for purpose in the 21st century is another! I hope my cynicism (it is my default) is proven wrong. Exactly.. I think the Mem is something that could be redeveloped, IF the club bought the two houses behind the long tent to create space a stand is viable there to take at least 3- 4000 on two tiers extending both main stands and also the favourite end to become two tiers , this should create something in the region of an 18-20,000 stadium , costly ( as a new build would) but it is still within the catchment area and should be sustainable..
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 20, 2022 12:44:17 GMT
Administrators have applied to the EFL For wages to pay those currently on the payroll,DCFC have 5 registered players on their books, could be touch and go if they make the start of the season deadline
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 24, 2022 20:36:48 GMT
Wayne Rooney has left DCFC," by mutual consent" still had one year left of his contract,
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