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Post by topman on Jun 21, 2021 8:59:24 GMT
Thank you for all the links from the F A etc [ You're more than welcome, sir! ] didn't need to read [ Oh. ] because frankly they are a joke of a organisation on most matters [ Right, so first you try to link them to Marxists, and then when they're forced to make a statement (that they should never have to in the first place) you don't believe it - I see. ]The point I was making if you have read my previous thread [ Yes, I did thank you - load of tosh wasn't it ] was that no one with any sense should have aligned themselves that closely with BLM given its Marxist views [ But they haven't. You've made it up. It's a figment of your imagination. ]What the FA and far too many corporate bodies, central and local government should have done was to create a different title to BLM therefore ensuring the issue of racism was highlighted but under different 'name' or re branded kick it out? [ When the Black Lives Matter protests were going on last year it was a movement; the vast majority of people had no concern about any political organisation, what they cared about was equality and inclusion. Yes, there may have been some people on the marches who would call themselves Marxist, but a tiny percentage. When it comes to footballers taking the knee they are even further removed from this. ]I don't want to see any Rovers player taking the knee because of the far too direct connection to the political organisation of BLM [ Reprise: But there is no connection. You've made it up. It's a figment of your imagination. ]That doesn't make me a racist just a unwillingness to accept a poorly thought out process [ Super! I'll put you down in the still struggling to comprehend camp instead then. ]I am sorry that you felt my previous thread was a load of tosh but pleased that I can reply similarly! If you have taken the time to research then you will know that BLM in America was formed in 2013, a political organisation as alluded to you above Where matters have gone wrong as I have tried to explain (but obviously failed!) is that far too many people have given credence to an organisation which the over whelming majority of people do NOT support with regard to its values So for example having BLM on the back of shirts and taking the knee reinforces that credibility Fortunately a number of players, including Saha clearly see that such an alignment does not help matters Unless someone is of very far right political leaning improving matters regarding injustices is of course correct - however how you present the message of support is just a important as the message that is said
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Post by topman on Jun 18, 2021 15:28:04 GMT
Thank you for all the links from the F A etc didn't need to read because frankly they are a joke of a organisation on most matters
The point I was making if you have read my previous thread was that no one with any sense should have aligned themselves that closely with BLM given its Marxist views
What the FA and far too many corporate bodies, central and local government should have done was to create a different title to BLM therefore ensuring the issue of racism was highlighted but under different 'name' or re branded kick it out?
I don't want to see any Rovers player taking the knee because of the far too direct connection to the political organisation of BLM
That doesn't make me a racist just a unwillingness to accept a poorly thought out process
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Post by topman on Jun 18, 2021 7:53:14 GMT
So BLM is not a political movement then according to you? ('apparent') The way in which matters have been handled is I would suggest creating more distancing NOT unity to improve matters?
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Post by topman on Jun 17, 2021 9:23:37 GMT
I would say rather than being the incident that triggered it, it was the final straw of many years of incidents. You just have to look at what's been happening recently, with racist comments to players on social media, like Marcus Rashford, and closer to home Mark Little, to see it is still very much relevant right now. If you're starting to get fed up with a show of solidarity for just 5 seconds of time, I find that rather sad KP. Please tell me what it is actually doing, other than virtue signalling ? If UEFA said we are all going to do this then I’d understand it more but I just see it as yet another thing that actually achieves nothing. I could tell you about the racism I had and as a white man but I don’t let it define me nor my life. We have the kick it out campaign and now respect campaign. If the authorities and stewards policed the rules of this properly then many more would learn that there can be absolutely no racist chants nor even discussion, even if in hushed tones. We really should be kicking it out and anyone that is heard talking in that manner. I can’t do anything that you find my view sad but , as I have said, please tell me what taking the knee has actually achieved ? The gesture comes out of a book which later got made into the TV programme, game of thrones. The only thing it’s achieved, to date, is to have large groups of fans boo. If booing is seen as a success then they have at least achieved that The issue here is simply the misalignment by virtually every corporate body and far too many individuals by attaching themselves to the political movement of BLM and clearly not even bothering to check out the organisation Their aims are at odds with the vast majority of people de fund the police legalise drugs anti capitalist The movement seems to be mired in use of funds collected - the leader in America has a recently acquired property portfolio! Floyd shouldnt have died in that manner but not a lot of coverage of his past criminal record The cop involved like many in USA is a nut case If the established kick it out campaign is due a 'revival' then rename etc but DONT stupidly jump into bed with political movement of dubious quality!! That is why people boo taking the knee not because they are racist!
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Post by topman on Dec 7, 2020 13:46:29 GMT
Being late sixties if I had my time over again I think I would have opted to work and live in a different country
I don't like how the country is these days:
No political concensus / long term planning over crucial matters like education / NHS / infrastructure etc
Too many people ignoring societal responsibilities
People cannot discuss matters sensibly and with respect without shouting either verbally or as a keyboard 'warrior'
Constantly criticising past historical events and decisions
Lack of respect for police / authorities
Jumped up celebrities who have little or no talent fawned over by media
Constantly treading on eggshells in case someone is 'offended' by the slightest issue
I will stop now before I depress myself too much!
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Post by topman on Dec 6, 2020 19:08:04 GMT
I think with respect the line you draw is the same mistake that many make in influential positions...
Alignment to a political movement that is unrepresentative of most people in this country unless of course you want to...
Legalise all drugs
Defund the police
Do away with traditional family and marriage values
Anti capitalist
Sometimes how you send a message is just as important as the message itself
On a wider issue I don't believe that ANY demonstrations should have been involved during lockdown and that includes the Colston statue incident
Police should not be political... End of
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Post by topman on Dec 6, 2020 17:32:48 GMT
They way I see it....
Something happens in a different country over which we have no control even so obviously wrong
Mass media goes into overdrive but seems to lack the same level of interest in the past victims of Floyd?
Gives licence to the already established BLM to create unrest world wide
Social media ramps up
Corporate bodies nationally including the likes of Sky attach themselves to BLM without presumably even bother to check out the political aims?
If they did they would have more sensibly decided to use a slightly different slogan? Maybe All Lives Matter? Thereby including all racial groups
By NOT drawing a distinction, a groundswell of opinion gathers against BLM (political group), leading to yesterday at Millwall
So such stupid PR choice works against the very thing that most reasonable people want to see, people being treated fairly, irrespective of background?
I have supported Rovers for almost 55 years, have never and would never abuse any player for racist reasons
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Post by topman on Nov 17, 2020 20:47:42 GMT
No one sets out to fail in a position?
If as in this case someone has moved house, had to deal with a serious illness of a family member but was still committed to the role I think it is poor management not to ack that
Starnes was never very high in my estimation, as was Hamer, but has now lowered himself further
All about opinions
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Post by topman on Nov 17, 2020 20:04:53 GMT
I was very disappointed with his interview
His presentation was scruffy not a great 'look' for a CEO
He made no mention of thanking Ben for his efforts that is the least a departing manager deserves irrespective of results
They interviewed him, gave him the job on agreeing with his philosophy on football and now back track
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Post by topman on Jun 25, 2020 20:41:21 GMT
Can't use any name related to Pirates ...very involved with slave trade
Should not use anything re Black Arabs?
No doubt all our players will 'take the knee' in the first game back
How many will have researched the BLM otganisation?.... anti capitalist/defund the police/ abandon traditonal family values/legalise all drugs etc
Main stream news likewise scrabbles around trying to look virtuous while the BLM grows its income under false pretences
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Post by topman on May 13, 2020 18:40:33 GMT
Mr Verhofstadt.... a fine upstanding example of a politician and has such a calm personality
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Post by topman on May 13, 2020 18:20:45 GMT
Hi everyone
Don't often post but gradually coming to the end of my 'to do' list at least until the local recycling unit agrees to open!
Think most feel the country has been caught with its trousers down in terms of PPE equipment etc even having to rely on stuff made in China ... the irony!
Could anyone have predicted the pandemic?
Maybe if the WHO actually directed its priorities away from political in fighting it could have?
Equally you could argue that USA should have anticipated September 11th? Or at least had defensive weaponry available at the Pentagon especially given Pearl Harbour experience
The virus is perhaps a penalty of a global economy easy access easy travel and the world turning a blind eye to the morals of countries in pursuit of financial gains
On a personal basis and as an OAP I have made a conscious choice in my life not to visit any country with overtly poor human or animal rights
Some may think that is small minded but everyone has their view
I notice that there is mention of the EU who in my opinion have been found to be both politically and economically impotent in this crisis
I voted to leave because the politicisation of empire building not because I dislike foreigners!
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Post by topman on Apr 13, 2020 8:25:51 GMT
The Chase ..... Bradley Walsh
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Post by topman on Apr 13, 2020 8:22:11 GMT
Flowery T*ats
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Post by topman on Apr 4, 2020 20:36:39 GMT
When the Premier League was launched I expressed concern with my friends
It seemed and has since proved to be a very good business product
However it was obvious to anyone surely that the cascade of wages from top to bottom of the professional game would eventually become a millstone for many clubs and unsustainable
While the 'animal farm' pigs in the trough keep taking the money from the likes of sky... bt etc they have had no wish to see the longer term implications
A club likes ours should never be in the amount of debt it is.... completely scandalous and all avoidable with proper governance from the top of the Prem EFL and FA etc
When you add in pundits by the hundreds and agents unsurprising that the sport is struggling with any level of normality
You reap what you sow
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Post by topman on Nov 22, 2019 20:58:52 GMT
I believe it is from the film Taken as said by Liam Neeson
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Post by topman on Nov 7, 2019 23:02:11 GMT
Best wishes for your attempt.... Sorry to hear about your loss
We all think our parents are going to be there forever
Sadly I lost both mine in my early 30's... Think about them every week
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Post by topman on Dec 19, 2018 10:27:24 GMT
I am that old that I believed I voted in favour of joining what was the EEC - a trading arrangement seemed sensible
Since then I have watched with increasing concern about how the E U has 'developed' moving towards a federal state - the chief protagonists being France and Germany Indeed these are really the only two important countries apart from the UK as the rest of the 28 soon to be 27 countries follow like lemmings otherwise subject to adverse situations
There are 200 countries in the world who seem to happily carry on trading with one and another Cant see USA being told constitutionally what to do by Mexico for example We pay in net 13/15 billion each year - why? Reportedly contributed 200 Billion since membership The EU is unreforming as previous PM's have found out to their cost The EU has not signed off its own accounts for more than 15 years They employ 10000 people earning in excess of £100k They recently said that Italy's own national budget proposals were 'unacceptable' They forced through the Lisbon Treaty against the original wishes of the Irish Dutch and French They have landed Southern Mediterranean countries with billions of Euro debt ALL countries should be able to vet people coming into a country The list is endless ..............
Before any one accuses me of being racist please know that having been lucky enough to travel extensively in Europe I have nothing but kind words to say about 'foreigners'
The people are NOT the problem it is the EU as a morally and financially corrupt system that is the issue in my opinion
We should have worked on a no deal basis from day one and presented as such to the EU
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Post by topman on Dec 6, 2018 12:04:24 GMT
Just thought I would say... Merry Christmas everyone as we all in the festive mood.. Not!
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Post by topman on Nov 21, 2018 21:41:17 GMT
we have gone backwards since we played the first league one game couple of years ago?
Board at fault should have backed signings at that time when we had the momentum
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