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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 4, 2014 12:14:14 GMT
People want to see some leadership, but all we hear, is wait until the review is completed, with no evidence there is any actual review.
Lockleazer, I am sure Nick would get to the UWE site as fast as he can for the photo op of breking the earth for the stadium. It would be the clubs/biggest bit of big/positive news they could throw out at this time.
It's amazing how apparent minor little obstacles appear to hold everything up. I mean an update on when they hope to start would be something, even if it was to hear that the stadium would no longer be ready for 2015/16 but will be going ahead
BSS has said, many times, that we are crying out for leadership from Nick. I have kept this to myself until now but I have nothing to lose in divulging this. He has said the board room is very much an us and them thing and that it frustrates the hell out of him. I do feel BSS is trying to do a job but he needs the backing. I have had many a dig but I see no alternative when the board can literally do as they will. If that means giving is the mushroom treatment then they really do not care. If Brian feels that way, then I would prefer his communications to give a hint of this, not just the standard cookie cutter comments he has been giving.
If that is how he really feels he has an opportunity to stand up at the EGM and show this to the fan base. If it costs him his position, so what. it will prove more about the board and make the point rather emphatically about how they operate
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Post by Eclectic Blue on Jun 4, 2014 12:17:34 GMT
It is obvious that the club have made some real blunders - especially in the PR department- in recent times. Banning of fans for daring to express an opinion, giving out a rallying call just before shutting down the club forum, I could go on, but it would be a pretty long list. However, just because the club have made huge mistakes, I don't believe it is right- or helpful- to criticise every tiny announcement or bit of news that comes out of BS7 HQ- I can't believe I am the only one who finds it tiresome. Just in the past couple of weeks there have been several scathing posts regarding everything from holding car boot sales, giving away beach towels and how crap the polo shirts are. So what if the club hold a car boot sale- I really can't see the problem, I guess some would argue it is amateurish- although for the life of me I can't see why- it's a small attempt at raising some cash- no harm done. So the club want to give away a beach towel as a token prize in a harmless competition that some people might even enjoy taking part it- what's the issue with that? Some people aren't happy with the quality of our merchandise, but I don't think over the top rants (and there have been a few) will help matters- I would imagine most reasonable people would respond to constructive criticism, but I know what my reaction would be to an over the top rant. Many fans may well consider that the walls that have been built up is the fault of the club, but they certainly won't come down while every announcement is met with derision. I think if we announced Messi was signing some people would say we should have gone for Ronaldo. For whatever reason there is a huge divide between the club and the fans at the moment, but until people start engaging with each other in a more reasonable manner( and it IS a two way street) then the downward spiral will continue. f me, if Martin McGuiness and The Queen can shake hands, surely between us we can sort this mess out. I agree with much of this and I believe that Rex's view is far closer to that of your average punter on the terraces than much of the stuff you will find on forums. Leave the board to get on with running the club and support the shirt is the gist of it. As soon as new signings are announced, most people will look forward to the challenge of our first season in the Skrill and they will get behind the team. Of course there will still be anger and disappointment, but people soon get used to the lower level of football, as we have in League Two. Where Rex loses it, in my view, is when he says "until people start engaging with each other in a more reasonable manner( and it IS a two way street) then the downward spiral will continue." I wrote to the chairman back in February, having been given his email address by the club, asking him to reconsider Kevin Spencer's lifetime ban from the club and, more importantly in this thread, making a series of contructive comments as to how to unite supporters. He hasn't replied yet but then he has been very busy at the club, not least in planning for the new UWE stadium. (For what it's worth, I wrote to two other directors about Mr Spencer's lifetime ban. One didn't reply and the other, Mr Seymour Smith, replied saying - and I paraphrase, but only just - "Nothing to do with me, guv.") I must have missed all these announcements that Rex describes as being "met with derision", but even if that's how they were greeted, aren't those who want more than 'Ragbag Rovers' entitled to their view?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 4, 2014 12:33:24 GMT
BSS has said, many times, that we are crying out for leadership from Nick. I have kept this to myself until now but I have nothing to lose in divulging this. He has said the board room is very much an us and them thing and that it frustrates the hell out of him. I do feel BSS is trying to do a job but he needs the backing. I have had many a dig but I see no alternative when the board can literally do as they will. If that means giving is the mushroom treatment then they really do not care. If Brian feels that way, then I would prefer his communications to give a hint of this, not just the standard cookie cutter comments he has been giving.
If that is how he really feels he has an opportunity to stand up at the EGM and show this to the fan base. If it costs him his position, so what. it will prove more about the board and make the point rather emphatically about how they operate
I agree but one thing I will say, Brian is no mug and could be playing the long game here. Regardless of the flack and apparent cedeing to the board, I think Brian has the fans at heart but is hamstrung right now. I have spoken to him at length and know his frustrations. Imagine how it must feel to have anything you say vetoed if the board do not like it. Must be pretty bad. I trust him in all honesty and believe he could be a good ally. If ever the current BoD were to move on, Brian does have contacts. It's a Dogs life for him. He will continue to take the flak for a board who never even has the brass balls to do the TV interviews and put him in to bat. Yes, on the surface it would seem he does the boards bidding but I believe he has his own plans just that they need to be done within the constraints of the present administration.
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Post by Nurse Ratched on Jun 4, 2014 12:53:52 GMT
If Brian feels that way, then I would prefer his communications to give a hint of this, not just the standard cookie cutter comments he has been giving.
If that is how he really feels he has an opportunity to stand up at the EGM and show this to the fan base. If it costs him his position, so what. it will prove more about the board and make the point rather emphatically about how they operate
I agree but one thing I will say, Brian is no mug and could be playing the long game here. Regardless of the flack and apparent cedeing to the board, I think Brian has the fans at heart but is hamstrung right now. I have spoken to him at length and know his frustrations. Imagine how it must feel to have anything you say vetoed if the board do not like it. Must be pretty bad. I trust him in all honesty and believe he could be a good ally. If ever the current BoD were to move on, Brian does have contacts. It's a Dogs life for him. He will continue to take the flak for a board who never even has the brass balls to do the TV interviews and put him in to bat. Yes, on the surface it would seem he does the boards bidding but I believe he has his own plans just that they need to be done within the constraints of the present administration. I'm confused by you now. Using your words, would you describe BSS role as "an impotent and vacuous extension of the board"? gaschat.co.uk/thread/171/list-submitted-supporters-club-egm?page=1&scrollTo=2647
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 14:34:08 GMT
I have no problem with people having a moan about anything, what i find difficult to understand is that these same people jump on people with a different view and call them "Rose Tinters" etc No they dont. Thats just a defence of the indefensible by those who dont like being challenged. Dont you come into that category ,Les?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jun 4, 2014 16:37:43 GMT
People want to see some leadership, but all we hear, is wait until the review is completed, with no evidence there is any actual review.
Lockleazer, I am sure Nick would get to the UWE site as fast as he can for the photo op of breking the earth for the stadium. It would be the clubs/biggest bit of big/positive news they could throw out at this time.
It's amazing how apparent minor little obstacles appear to hold everything up. I mean an update on when they hope to start would be something, even if it was to hear that the stadium would no longer be ready for 2015/16 but will be going ahead
BSS has said, many times, that we are crying out for leadership from Nick. I have kept this to myself until now but I have nothing to lose in divulging this. He has said the board room is very much an us and them thing and that it frustrates the hell out of him. I do feel BSS is trying to do a job but he needs the backing. I have had many a dig but I see no alternative when the board can literally do as they will. If that means giving is the mushroom treatment then they really do not care. he can resign then. simple. I have no sympathy for him at all. the days of influencing from within have gone. the outside is the new inside.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 16:42:07 GMT
Martin,do you really think an article in a regional news?paper or a comment on a forum can make any difference to what the board decide.If you do then i truly feel sorry for you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 17:18:54 GMT
No they dont. Thats just a defence of the indefensible by those who dont like being challenged. Dont you come into that category ,Les? well obviously I don't think so...but feel free to go for it
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Post by Angas on Jun 4, 2014 22:31:52 GMT
If Brian feels that way, then I would prefer his communications to give a hint of this, not just the standard cookie cutter comments he has been giving.
If that is how he really feels he has an opportunity to stand up at the EGM and show this to the fan base. If it costs him his position, so what. it will prove more about the board and make the point rather emphatically about how they operate
I agree but one thing I will say, Brian is no mug and could be playing the long game here. Regardless of the flack and apparent cedeing to the board, I think Brian has the fans at heart but is hamstrung right now. I have spoken to him at length and know his frustrations. Imagine how it must feel to have anything you say vetoed if the board do not like it. Must be pretty bad. I trust him in all honesty and believe he could be a good ally. If ever the current BoD were to move on, Brian does have contacts. It's a Dogs life for him. He will continue to take the flak for a board who never even has the brass balls to do the TV interviews and put him in to bat. Yes, on the surface it would seem he does the boards bidding but I believe he has his own plans just that they need to be done within the constraints of the present administration. Oh, poor poor Brian. To think I helped put him in this awful position. I'm ashamed of myself. If only I could take back the money I put into that £1m plus pot. Just resign Brian. And take Kenny with you. The sooner the better.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Jun 4, 2014 22:54:56 GMT
The scumbags who are responsible for Bristol Rovers exiting the football league for the first time in 94 years have gotten off very lightly so far imho. That's without even taking the total and utter disdain they have shown the supporters since into account.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 4, 2014 22:59:39 GMT
The scumbags who are responsible for Bristol Rovers exiting the football league for the first time in 94 years have gotten off very lightly so far imho. That's without even taking the total and utter disdain they have shown the supporters since into account. Now don't you go holding back
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 23:38:22 GMT
Martin,do you really think an article in a regional news?paper or a comment on a forum can make any difference to what the board decide.If you do then i truly feel sorry for you on that note still no news on kev spencers banning being recinded
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 15:01:50 GMT
Bit like Bas,s sack the board,old records get very tedious and eventually lose any impact they may once have had
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Post by Rex on Jun 5, 2014 16:06:35 GMT
It is obvious that the club have made some real blunders - especially in the PR department- in recent times. Banning of fans for daring to express an opinion, giving out a rallying call just before shutting down the club forum, I could go on, but it would be a pretty long list. However, just because the club have made huge mistakes, I don't believe it is right- or helpful- to criticise every tiny announcement or bit of news that comes out of BS7 HQ- I can't believe I am the only one who finds it tiresome. Just in the past couple of weeks there have been several scathing posts regarding everything from holding car boot sales, giving away beach towels and how crap the polo shirts are. So what if the club hold a car boot sale- I really can't see the problem, I guess some would argue it is amateurish- although for the life of me I can't see why- it's a small attempt at raising some cash- no harm done. So the club want to give away a beach towel as a token prize in a harmless competition that some people might even enjoy taking part it- what's the issue with that? Some people aren't happy with the quality of our merchandise, but I don't think over the top rants (and there have been a few) will help matters- I would imagine most reasonable people would respond to constructive criticism, but I know what my reaction would be to an over the top rant. Many fans may well consider that the walls that have been built up is the fault of the club, but they certainly won't come down while every announcement is met with derision. I think if we announced Messi was signing some people would say we should have gone for Ronaldo. For whatever reason there is a huge divide between the club and the fans at the moment, but until people start engaging with each other in a more reasonable manner( and it IS a two way street) then the downward spiral will continue. f me, if Martin McGuiness and The Queen can shake hands, surely between us we can sort this mess out. I agree with much of this and I believe that Rex's view is far closer to that of your average punter on the terraces than much of the stuff you will find on forums. Leave the board to get on with running the club and support the shirt is the gist of it. As soon as new signings are announced, most people will look forward to the challenge of our first season in the Skrill and they will get behind the team. Of course there will still be anger and disappointment, but people soon get used to the lower level of football, as we have in League Two. Where Rex loses it, in my view, is when he says "until people start engaging with each other in a more reasonable manner( and it IS a two way street) then the downward spiral will continue." I wrote to the chairman back in February, having been given his email address by the club, asking him to reconsider Kevin Spencer's lifetime ban from the club and, more importantly in this thread, making a series of contructive comments as to how to unite supporters. He hasn't replied yet but then he has been very busy at the club, not least in planning for the new UWE stadium. (For what it's worth, I wrote to two other directors about Mr Spencer's lifetime ban. One didn't reply and the other, Mr Seymour Smith, replied saying - and I paraphrase, but only just - "Nothing to do with me, guv.") I must have missed all these announcements that Rex describes as being "met with derision", but even if that's how they were greeted, aren't those who want more than 'Ragbag Rovers' entitled to their view? Rick, reading it back I didn't make my point well at all, I should have mentioned that if I were a board member reading the forums, and saw that almost every announcement regarding car boot sales etc. was being mocked, then I might begin to think to myself 'f**k them then' and be even less likely to build bridges than I already was, there does come a point when both sides (and btw it's an appalling state of affairs that there are two apparently opposite sides in what should be a football club) have to start talking to get things improved. FWIW I still think Kevin's ban was a shameful act, and several supporters- including yourself- have been treated pretty shoddily, in an ideal world I would love to see the board host an open to all meeting, and begin by apologising for that. What a breath of fresh air that would be!
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Post by brizzle on Jun 5, 2014 16:13:10 GMT
Bit like Bas,s sack the board,old records get very tedious and eventually lose any impact they may once have had Judge not, lest ye be judged, sez I. Everyone's entitled to their opinion on a forum, surely? Otherwise what's the point of contributing to a forum. Are we all to agree at all times, and if so . . . with whom?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 16:31:03 GMT
Bit like Bas,s sack the board,old records get very tedious and eventually lose any impact they may once have had if the message is right though the fight can NEVER be abandoned
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 5, 2014 16:46:18 GMT
lets face it Higgs has managed something even Paul Buckle couldnt achieve
Yep, our expectations are well and truly lowered.
From the base he has taken us to, lets face it the only way is up
As others have said a really simple and effective way to show unity and a realisation of the statement that that we are all in it together is to release the bans on critics of the way the club was being run. However after hearing of a positive meeting with one banned fan, a fans director gave me a completely different version of events, crossed wires or forked tongues who knows
All I know is the only way of enjoying next season is to ignore the Board, their activities, their spin or untruths, let them get on with rightly getting their debts repaid and hopefully delivering us an asset for future generations to enjoy.
I severely doubt whether alone the men in the Board room are capable of delivering a league team ever again, but by ignoring them and their antics actually that wont matter as long as we have 11 blokes on the field trying to win for the fans themselves and their futures and a manager trying to deliver watchable wining football. That being the case results will take care of themselves, despite the Boards latest attempt at playing FIFA 20xx with real people, real business.
I've stopped looking at the OS as clearly its the work of nincompoops who really dont have any idea of what is important news and relevant to fans. As my parents taught me well, if something doesnt make you happy stop doing it. Simple really, if you dont like car boots being bigged up, crap shoddy tshirts being marketed at exorbitant prices dont look at the place that advertises them!
So in short I'm partially with the theory Rex offers , and hopefully fully with the intent of the message and fully intent of enjoying my football next season with friends able to attend and hopefully some playeers with empty bellies who know their lifestyle depends on success.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 5, 2014 23:10:34 GMT
No they dont. Thats just a defence of the indefensible by those who dont like being challenged. Dont you come into that category ,Les? [
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 5, 2014 23:13:28 GMT
I agree but one thing I will say, Brian is no mug and could be playing the long game here. Regardless of the flack and apparent cedeing to the board, I think Brian has the fans at heart but is hamstrung right now. I have spoken to him at length and know his frustrations. Imagine how it must feel to have anything you say vetoed if the board do not like it. Must be pretty bad. I trust him in all honesty and believe he could be a good ally. If ever the current BoD were to move on, Brian does have contacts. It's a Dogs life for him. He will continue to take the flak for a board who never even has the brass balls to do the TV interviews and put him in to bat. Yes, on the surface it would seem he does the boards bidding but I believe he has his own plans just that they need to be done within the constraints of the present administration. I'm confused by you now. Using your words, would you describe BSS role as "an impotent and vacuous extension of the board"? gaschat.co.uk/thread/171/list-submitted-supporters-club-egm?page=1&scrollTo=2647You are easily confused though. Look at the painting and see the picture Chauncey. Yes, I stand by the comment of the SC being what I said. What I saying here is simple enough, BSS is no mug and could help if things were to change. Simples
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Post by Eclectic Blue on Jun 6, 2014 7:52:18 GMT
You are easily confused though. Look at the painting and see the picture Chauncey. Yes, I stand by the comment of the SC being what I said. What I saying here is simple enough, BSS is no mug and could help if things were to change. Simples Mr Seymour Smith and Mr Masters cost circa £1m of supporters hard-earned money to put on the board of directors through a scheme of which they were not even members when they first stood for election (or at least until Mr Seymour Smith remembered he had been after all, even though no one had ever heard of him). I would argue that neither of them have achieved a single thing that would not otherwise have happened had they not been on the board and now, given that the Supporters Club now holds a smaller percentage of shares than before that £1m had been donated to the club, the whole principle of BRSC directors lies in tatters. Some at the club wanted Mr Seymour Smith on the board to improve the club's PR because of his alleged expertise in this field, but I would argue it's got even worse since he was elected. Finally, they both represent an organisation, BRSC, whose purpose these days is to sell programmes, 50/50 tickets and organise away travel buses, all of which are praiseworthy, but hardly likely to bring about change at BRFC. Both Mr Masters and Mr Seymour Smith should have resigned a long time ago because they must know, in their hearts, that they have nothing to offer the supporters who put them there, but the fact that they are still there in Box 1, year in year out, tells its own story.
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