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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2020 0:18:26 GMT
Get to work Swissgas, your services are required. To help cheer you all up. After looking through the 2019 accounts and reading Wael’s “open letter to fans” I am lost for words.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 3:05:37 GMT
With this world wide crisis we will only survive as a football club if wael props the club up financially. What swissgas or anyone else says is not relevant to the clubs survival. Its all about the owners paying the bills until football starts again sometime in the future.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 28, 2020 9:02:12 GMT
What does the FC stand for in the title thread?
Flippin' Cr@p?
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 28, 2020 9:03:01 GMT
Get to work Swissgas, your services are required. To help cheer you all up. After looking through the 2019 accounts and reading Wael’s “open letter to fans” I am lost for words. I was hoping for a little more than that Sir! Please find some words... vertigo may not want to read them, but plenty of people do. Grasping at positives - Dwane Sports must have been injecting cash during this accounting period. And currently Dwane Sports must be injecting significant sums as we don't have any revenue and we still have significant out-goings. Kyle £4k a week. Crikey and flipping 'eck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:25:42 GMT
Might have got worked up about this a few weeks ago but hardly seems important now. Things will carry on as they are until DS are no longer happy to keep plugging the gap. Just a case of when that time will come, not if. I think that there is a day of reckoning coming about football operates in this country anyway and the CV situation will massively accelerate this. Agree. The days of over inflated wages because someone can kick a ball quite well are coming to an end. Will be back to the early years at Twerton I reckon, where the players are on not much more than the fans, and socialised regularly with them. In the lower leagues yes, but arguably our players are not too far off the likes of us anyway. In the premier league they will continue to earn a fortune because people’s appetite to pay to watch football will only increase in it’s absence. I think there will be a re-assessment of priorities, along with the people who lose their jobs so it’s not inconceivable that Sky and Bt lose a big number of subscribers, but in the long run I just don’t see enough people turning their back on the premiership for those clubs to see their spending power dented. The Championship will be interesting as that could go either way. League one and below will see players begging to be signed by clubs and those clubs will hold all the power for once, compared to the complete reverse at the top level.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 28, 2020 11:42:47 GMT
Might have got worked up about this a few weeks ago but hardly seems important now. Things will carry on as they are until DS are no longer happy to keep plugging the gap. Just a case of when that time will come, not if. I think that there is a day of reckoning coming about football operates in this country anyway and the CV situation will massively accelerate this. As I understand it, from someone who has managed to weasel their way into Wael’s company, he got his mother onside and this got Hani to step away so Wael is now the boss, in totality. I corroborated this with another good source who I can’t name as there is one poster here who could get him fired, he said this was true. As Wael sees it this is just like new ownership as he is now free to do his bidding, unshackled by an elder sibling Tin hat firmly in place. I should know better than to post this stuff but bugger it. Let’s be avin you 😂
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2020 12:24:37 GMT
fanny's a bit quiet - I thought he would have piped up on this by now?
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 28, 2020 13:03:42 GMT
Might have got worked up about this a few weeks ago but hardly seems important now. Things will carry on as they are until DS are no longer happy to keep plugging the gap. Just a case of when that time will come, not if. I think that there is a day of reckoning coming about football operates in this country anyway and the CV situation will massively accelerate this. As I understand it, from someone who has managed to weasel their way into Wael’s company, he got his mother onside and this got Hani to step away so Wael is now the boss, in totality. I corroborated this with another good source who I can’t name as there is one poster here who could get him fired, he said this was true. As Wael sees it this is just like new ownership as he is now free to do his bidding, unshackled by an elder sibling Tin hat firmly in place. I should know better than to post this stuff but bugger it. Let’s be avin you 😂 Interesting news Jools. Feel free to PM me (it won't go any further - you know me). If true - I wonder if it's good news, or not?!? Discuss.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 28, 2020 13:27:24 GMT
Might have got worked up about this a few weeks ago but hardly seems important now. Things will carry on as they are until DS are no longer happy to keep plugging the gap. Just a case of when that time will come, not if. I think that there is a day of reckoning coming about football operates in this country anyway and the CV situation will massively accelerate this. As I understand it, from someone who has managed to weasel their way into Wael’s company, he got his mother onside and this got Hani to step away so Wael is now the boss, in totality. I corroborated this with another good source who I can’t name as there is one poster here who could get him fired, he said this was true. As Wael sees it this is just like new ownership as he is now free to do his bidding, unshackled by an elder sibling Tin hat firmly in place. I should know better than to post this stuff but bugger it. Let’s be avin you 😂 If true, I'm not sure whether that's good news or not! I mean, who's gonna be to blame or be scapegoat now when the funds are poorer managed?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2020 13:39:33 GMT
To help cheer you all up. After looking through the 2019 accounts and reading Wael’s “open letter to fans” I am lost for words. I was hoping for a little more than that Sir! Please find some words... vertigo may not want to read them, but plenty of people do. Grasping at positives - Dwane Sports must have been injecting cash during this accounting period. And currently Dwane Sports must be injecting significant sums as we don't have any revenue and we still have significant out-goings. Kyle £4k a week. Crikey and flipping 'eck. The post today by KP is perfectly believable and so it seems in this case Vertigo is right that we are totally in the hands of Wael. If we judge a man by his words and actions we must make up our own minds on whether we think Wael has the ability to successfully carry Rovers through and also the financial means to do so. For me, on both counts, Wael fails miserably and I stand by my earlier assertion (even before the current crisis) that a likely future scenario is the gates of the Mem being locked and a series of fruitless legal battles making headlines in the Bristol Post. I could enlarge on this but it wouldn’t make pleasant reading especially for the many fans who, incredibly for me, still have faith in Wael.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 13:54:08 GMT
Its not about having faith in wael. Simple fact is we can only survive if he keeps paying the wages/bills. There is nobody else so he either delivers and keeps the club alive or we go under.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2020 14:07:13 GMT
Its not about having faith in wael. Simple fact is we can only survive if he keeps paying the wages/bills. There is nobody else so he either delivers and keeps the club alive or we go under. There are other people who would have been interested in doing a reasonable and sensible deal to acquire the club. But apparently that avenue is now closed and, as I understand it, they will now wait to see if there is anything left to pick up when the endgame plays out.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2020 14:55:34 GMT
Its not about having faith in wael. Simple fact is we can only survive if he keeps paying the wages/bills. There is nobody else so he either delivers and keeps the club alive or we go under. There are other people who would have been interested in doing a reasonable and sensible deal to acquire the club. But apparently that avenue is now closed and, as I understand it, they will now wait to see if there is anything left to pick up when the endgame plays out. ah!...
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2020 14:56:07 GMT
Its not about having faith in wael. Simple fact is we can only survive if he keeps paying the wages/bills. There is nobody else so he either delivers and keeps the club alive or we go under. There are other people who would have been interested in doing a reasonable and sensible deal to acquire the club. But apparently that avenue is now closed and, as I understand it, they will now wait to see if there is anything left to pick up when the endgame plays out. any idea why the Post, and WAQ, say that discussions are ongoing swiss?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2020 15:15:30 GMT
There are other people who would have been interested in doing a reasonable and sensible deal to acquire the club. But apparently that avenue is now closed and, as I understand it, they will now wait to see if there is anything left to pick up when the endgame plays out. any idea why the Post, and WAQ, say that discussions are ongoing swiss? I think Wael says whatever comes into his head at any particular time and there is usually very little thought behind it. The young reporters on the Bristol Post are completely taken in by him and know they could report “talks are ongoing concerning the sale of the club” and “Wael’s commitment to the club and it’s long term aims is as strong as ever” in the same sentence with very few fans even noticing.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 28, 2020 15:16:11 GMT
There are other people who would have been interested in doing a reasonable and sensible deal to acquire the club. But apparently that avenue is now closed and, as I understand it, they will now wait to see if there is anything left to pick up when the endgame plays out. any idea why the Post, and WAQ, say that discussions are ongoing swiss? Well they've been saying it for over 4 years, why would they change tack now?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 28, 2020 15:32:57 GMT
any idea why the Post, and WAQ, say that discussions are ongoing swiss? I think Wael says whatever comes into his head at any particular time and there is usually very little thought behind it. The young reporters on the Bristol Post are completely taken in by him and know they could report “talks are ongoing concerning the sale of the club” and “Wael’s commitment to the club and it’s long term aims is as strong as ever” in the same sentence with very few fans even noticing. my own guess is that the other parties have not formally withdrawn (why would they since they currently have an 'exclusive') if what you think is true, then this statement will fall into the same bucket as the 'landing lights', 'watertight contract', 'beautiful piece of land', 'pick your seat at Cheltenham', and 'Rodney's swinging balls'* bucket * this one might not have come from a director
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Post by swissgas on Mar 28, 2020 16:34:39 GMT
I think Wael says whatever comes into his head at any particular time and there is usually very little thought behind it. The young reporters on the Bristol Post are completely taken in by him and know they could report “talks are ongoing concerning the sale of the club” and “Wael’s commitment to the club and it’s long term aims is as strong as ever” in the same sentence with very few fans even noticing. my own guess is that the other parties have not formally withdrawn (why would they since they currently have an 'exclusive') if what you think is true, then this statement will fall into the same bucket as the 'landing lights', 'watertight contract', 'beautiful piece of land', 'pick your seat at Cheltenham', and 'Rodney's swinging balls'* bucket * this one might not have come from a director You’ve succeeded in drawing me out on this ampg you minx I recommend listening to the excellent podcast with Kieran Maguire because the pertinent points are much better said by a neutral like him than a Rovers fan like me since, for whatever reason, Gasheads seem obsessed with hidden agendas and ulterior motives. He is a clever guy, his enthusiasm coupled with knowledge comes across well, and his sense of humor fits perfectly with football fan mentality. At the start he wonders how he “blagged” a position studying football at Liverpool University and near the end he makes a Freudian slip when commenting negatively about the owners charging so much interest and drastically reducing the amount of information given in these accounts (23 pages instead of the usual 39). He says “ provided the owners ,is it Darwin Sports, ... no Dwane Sports, ok, well if Dwane Sports are happy to write out the cheques on a regular basis that’s fine”. Listening to people like Kieran Maguire, and others within football who come across as being of a similar caliber to him, I do fear for Rovers under our current leadership if we are facing a Darwinian battle where only the fittest survive.
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Post by trymer on Mar 28, 2020 19:34:59 GMT
I think that this virus and the lockdown are exacerbating existing financial problems for many struggling business. Every day that the lockdown continues more closed pubs,shops etc will never reopen,why would struggling football clubs be any different? Even when the present crisis is over (very soon hopefully) people may not want to congregate closely,the authorities may forbid it, I read that viruses sometimes reoccur. So maybe football clubs will have to rethink how they sell their product to the public,could it be that the matches are played behind closed doors and people have to pay for a 2 hour programme of the match and interviews to be viewed at home some how ?
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Post by droitwichgas on Mar 28, 2020 21:04:18 GMT
I think that this virus and the lockdown are exacerbating existing financial problems for many struggling business. Every day that the lockdown continues more closed pubs,shops etc will never reopen,why would struggling football clubs be any different? Even when the present crisis is over (very soon hopefully) people may not want to congregate closely,the authorities may forbid it, I read that viruses sometimes reoccur. So maybe football clubs will have to rethink how they sell their product to the public,could it be that the matches are played behind closed doors and people have to pay for a 2 hour programme of the match and interviews to be viewed at home some how ? An interesting point, until a vaccine is found and the whole of the UK can be vaccinated on an annual basis, then not sure I fancy standing shoulder to shoulder next to a random stranger when i'm standing at least 2m apart from anybody at present! This could well be a case of only the fittest survive, if Wael does really love the club and still has his families backing we could well be in a better position than some L2 clubs, Coventry £60m in debt with no ground surely must be in serious problems when they are owned by a pension fund who's value could be 25% less than it was pre CV! As far as the FM I assume Wael knew he may well get full control of the club when his father passed away, so giving him the perfect chance to tell KM & co to do one, which he seems to have done.
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