cornwallgas
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Post by cornwallgas on Jan 31, 2020 13:28:04 GMT
Apparently just loaned from Swansea...a centre back...thought we had enough of those!?
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 31, 2020 13:29:43 GMT
Signed a FT contract apparently, not a loan
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 31, 2020 13:36:45 GMT
from the Post...
Alfie Kilgour ... Tony Craig ... Tom Davies ... Rollin Menayese ... maybe even Mark Little, why the heck do Rovers need another centre-back?
Well, it’s pretty straightforward from where we’re sitting; if you take Little out of the equation - given he’s a specialist right-back and can only play in a three - four centre-backs isn’t a huge number to have.
Factor in Tony Craig and the reality that the veteran really can’t go on forever, and may not even be at the club beyond this summer, and the signing of Harries starts to make more sense.
That’s before you get into the more granular detail of him being a smart, technical, ball-playing defender who fits more into the Garner profile.
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cornwallgas
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Post by cornwallgas on Jan 31, 2020 13:39:14 GMT
We now have at least 5 central defenders so can play 7-2-1 or 7-3-0 away
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 31, 2020 13:53:49 GMT
We now have at least 5 central defenders so can play 7-2-1 or 7-3-0 away Kilgour off to Charlton with Jch for £2m ? Is Ben trying to field an Under 23 side like Liverpool!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
Garner wants rovers to play like say swansea or more to the point doncaster and coventry in our division. He needs to bring players in capable of executing this style. He clearly wants to exploit the loan market and also sign young players permanently who can develop at rovers. If it works out it will be a big improvement and a maybe will help provide sustainability at the club. Its a big ask to make it work but it would be great if he can pull it off. Its no good saying we already got enough defenders when some of them simply cannot play the way garner wants[craig and menayese].
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 19:03:12 GMT
Garner wants rovers to play like say swansea or more to the point doncaster and coventry in our division. He needs to bring players in capable of executing this style. He clearly wants to exploit the loan market and also sign young players permanently who can develop at rovers. If it works out it will be a big improvement and a maybe will help provide sustainability at the club. Its a big ask to make it work but it would be great if he can pull it off. Its no good saying we already got enough defenders when some of them simply cannot play the way garner wants[craig and menayese]. You make it sound so easy (not a dig, just the bones of it). It’s an admirable dream but like you say it’s a big ask and it’s an even bigger ask of someone who is in his first managerial gig. Can’t help but think this is a PlayStation manager scenario where it all seems so easy on a video game or a whiteboard but in reality is bloody difficult. If it wasn’t bloody difficult I’m sure you would see more teams in the lower leagues packing their sides with kids and trying to play out from the back. Sadly given the physicality the hard currency in our division is big lads and experience. BG might find that he has tried to swim against a very strong current and been swept away by it.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 31, 2020 19:10:15 GMT
more from the Post...
So that’s seven new signings through the door this window ...
- Jayden Mitchell-Lawson AM (loan, Derby)
- Josh Barrett AM (permanent, Reading)
- Josh Ginnelly AM (loan, Preston)
- Timmy Abraham CF (loan, Fulham)
- Jamal Blackman GK (loan, Chelsea)
- Cian Harries CB (permanent, Swansea)
- James Daly CF (permanent, Crystal Palace)
18:19
what's not to like?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 19:22:37 GMT
more from the Post... So that’s seven new signings through the door this window ... - Jayden Mitchell-Lawson AM (loan, Derby) - Josh Barrett AM (permanent, Reading) - Josh Ginnelly AM (loan, Preston) - Timmy Abraham CF (loan, Fulham) - Jamal Blackman GK (loan, Chelsea) - Cian Harries CB (permanent, Swansea) - James Daly CF (permanent, Crystal Palace) 18:19 what's not to like? ......no experience?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 31, 2020 19:27:43 GMT
more from the Post... So that’s seven new signings through the door this window ... - Jayden Mitchell-Lawson AM (loan, Derby) - Josh Barrett AM (permanent, Reading) - Josh Ginnelly AM (loan, Preston) - Timmy Abraham CF (loan, Fulham) - Jamal Blackman GK (loan, Chelsea) - Cian Harries CB (permanent, Swansea) - James Daly CF (permanent, Crystal Palace) 18:19 what's not to like? ......no experience? apart from Blackman, and Ginnelly, and Barrett, I think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 19:52:25 GMT
Garner wants rovers to play like say swansea or more to the point doncaster and coventry in our division. He needs to bring players in capable of executing this style. He clearly wants to exploit the loan market and also sign young players permanently who can develop at rovers. If it works out it will be a big improvement and a maybe will help provide sustainability at the club. Its a big ask to make it work but it would be great if he can pull it off. Its no good saying we already got enough defenders when some of them simply cannot play the way garner wants[craig and menayese]. You make it sound so easy (not a dig, just the bones of it). It’s an admirable dream but like you say it’s a big ask and it’s an even bigger ask of someone who is in his first managerial gig. Can’t help but think this is a PlayStation manager scenario where it all seems so easy on a video game or a whiteboard but in reality is bloody difficult. If it wasn’t bloody difficult I’m sure you would see more teams in the lower leagues packing their sides with kids and trying to play out from the back. Sadly given the physicality the hard currency in our division is big lads and experience. BG might find that he has tried to swim against a very strong current and been swept away by it. Other clubs do use this model to a greater or lesser degree. Coventry city have signed some very good young players and sold them for big fees later on while maintaining a high position on a modest budget for example. Also we still have experienced players at the club so it will not just be kids. I am not at all sure it will work but its worth a try as we know we cannot keep players on high wages like clarke-harris,bennett,craig and little are likely to be on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
The owners have clearly backed the managers vision for rovers to the hilt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:55:01 GMT
The owners have clearly backed the managers vision for rovers to the hilt. Absolutely...but then you could perhaps argue that maybe Garner is backing Wael’s vision rather than the other way around. And also it’s easy for Wael to back Garner’s vision because it’s the cheapest business plan there is- if Garner had said “I want to spunk a load of money on player x, player y, and and player z” Wael may not have been so accommodating. Basically, we’re skint so what Wael wants more than anything is a manager who isn’t going to complain about the facilities and the fox s*** and who is happy to work with young players with no experience on a shoe string budget. Garner is that man on steroids. What will be interesting to see is whether Garner still doesn’t mind working under these conditions as time passes. GC thought we had facilities to rival Sheffield Wednesday or some bollocks ( ) however he soon changed his tune when we started winning games and his reputation grew. Will Garner be happy when we flog his star striker for 500k and force him to try and find another gem from someone’s youth team? It’s a really hard game unearthing young talent and the idea that even half of the players we have signed under Garner will turn out to be great signings is pretty fanciful, imo. Especially when you look at our recent history in the loan market which hasn’t been great.
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Post by crater on Jan 31, 2020 21:51:23 GMT
Whether it's successful or not, there can be no doubt the club is going in a different direction than under Coughlin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:55:21 GMT
Whether it's successful or not... Not.
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crater
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Post by crater on Jan 31, 2020 22:02:45 GMT
Whether it's successful or not... Not. There's positivity for you
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2020 16:24:17 GMT
There's positivity for you 11 games zero wins. What’s to be making a fuss over ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 23:27:52 GMT
The owners have clearly backed the managers vision for rovers to the hilt. Absolutely...but then you could perhaps argue that maybe Garner is backing Wael’s vision rather than the other way around. And also it’s easy for Wael to back Garner’s vision because it’s the cheapest business plan there is- if Garner had said “I want to spunk a load of money on player x, player y, and and player z” Wael may not have been so accommodating. Basically, we’re skint so what Wael wants more than anything is a manager who isn’t going to complain about the facilities and the fox s*** and who is happy to work with young players with no experience on a shoe string budget. Garner is that man on steroids. What will be interesting to see is whether Garner still doesn’t mind working under these conditions as time passes. GC thought we had facilities to rival Sheffield Wednesday or some bollocks ( ) however he soon changed his tune when we started winning games and his reputation grew. Will Garner be happy when we flog his star striker for 500k and force him to try and find another gem from someone’s youth team? It’s a really hard game unearthing young talent and the idea that even half of the players we have signed under Garner will turn out to be great signings is pretty fanciful, imo. Especially when you look at our recent history in the loan market which hasn’t been great. In theory garners experience at premier league clubs as an academy manager and first team coach should give him an edge in signing young players on permanent or loan for rovers. The 3 permanents are on two and a half year deals which means we can get a good fee if they do well and attract interest. The seven new players are here now so garner will be running out of excuses if results do not improve. If this project works it will be fantastic for everyone.
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LPGas
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Post by LPGas on Feb 6, 2020 15:35:09 GMT
more from the Post... So that’s seven new signings through the door this window ... - Jayden Mitchell-Lawson AM (loan, Derby) - Josh Barrett AM (permanent, Reading) - Josh Ginnelly AM (loan, Preston) - Timmy Abraham CF (loan, Fulham) - Jamal Blackman GK (loan, Chelsea) - Cian Harries CB (permanent, Swansea) - James Daly CF (permanent, Crystal Palace) 18:19 what's not to like? Apart from the Goalie none of the others have played in the league
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Post by LPGas on Feb 6, 2020 15:37:18 GMT
Absolutely...but then you could perhaps argue that maybe Garner is backing Wael’s vision rather than the other way around. And also it’s easy for Wael to back Garner’s vision because it’s the cheapest business plan there is- if Garner had said “I want to spunk a load of money on player x, player y, and and player z” Wael may not have been so accommodating. Basically, we’re skint so what Wael wants more than anything is a manager who isn’t going to complain about the facilities and the fox s*** and who is happy to work with young players with no experience on a shoe string budget. Garner is that man on steroids. What will be interesting to see is whether Garner still doesn’t mind working under these conditions as time passes. GC thought we had facilities to rival Sheffield Wednesday or some bollocks ( ) however he soon changed his tune when we started winning games and his reputation grew. Will Garner be happy when we flog his star striker for 500k and force him to try and find another gem from someone’s youth team? It’s a really hard game unearthing young talent and the idea that even half of the players we have signed under Garner will turn out to be great signings is pretty fanciful, imo. Especially when you look at our recent history in the loan market which hasn’t been great. In theory garners experience at premier league clubs as an academy manager and first team coach should give him an edge in signing young players on permanent or loan for rovers. The 3 permanents are on two and a half year deals which means we can get a good fee if they do well and attract interest. The seven new players are here now so garner will be running out of excuses if results do not improve. If this project works it will be fantastic for everyone. I guess you meant the "sustainable " project where we develop young players and sell them on. W e have been doing that for 60 years, and because of selling our best players we remain stuck in Div 1 (or 3 as it used to be)
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