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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 7:34:46 GMT
Sorry I asked now.
Nobody knows then?
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 21, 2020 8:25:42 GMT
Maybe form a keyboard warrior association KWA sure has a ring about it Call me old fashioned if you like but the fanzine generation is over owners are oblivious to fans outrage. Rr Again. I agree with Harry! It pains me to say it but am I the voice of reason? As we all know history is written by the winners. As you know our Bristol Rovers History Group is up and running and am looking for creative writers to contribute an occasional article to the Rovers match day programme. Please get in touch with me if you are interested
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 21, 2020 9:55:53 GMT
Come on, are you seriously suggesting that it wasn't John's side of the argument that was pushing for change. Seriously. Jim's side of the room didn't exactly embrace the idea of anything other than putting cash in a bucket and handing it over. Here's an idea, we can form a committee to discuss whether the Trust committee or the SC committee was the best committee. Maybe a conclusion will be reached in the next 18 years, because here we are, 18 years after the event, and some people still don't seem to be able to let go. I think this is called fiddling whilst Rome burns. Judean People's Front v. People's Front of Judea REG: Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f**king Judean People's Front. P.F.J.: Yeah... JUDITH: Splitters. P.F.J.: Splitters... FRANCIS: And the Judean Popular People's Front. P.F.J.: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters... LORETTA: And the People's Front of Judea. P.F.J.: Yeah. Splitters. Splitters... REG: What? LORETTA: The People's Front of Judea. Splitters. REG: We're the People's Front of Judea! LORETTA: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front. REG: People's Front! C-huh. FRANCIS: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg? REG: He's over there. P.F.J.: Splitter!
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 21, 2020 13:23:07 GMT
on a related note, I came across this regarding Chesterfield. Obviously have no idea on the terms of sale but anyway www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200121-takeover-questions-answered/AC: Dave Allen and I remain committed to wanting the fans to take ownership of the club. Every month that goes by means that Dave needs to inject a minimum of £150,000 into the club. This month it will be over £200,000.
in context back to August 2019 Spireites' company secretary Ashley Carson released a statement on Wednesday confirming that the club's majority shareholder Dave Allen had written off a debt of just over £2 million owed to one of his other companies, A&S Leisure Group.
That in turn reduced the club's outstanding debt to around £9.2 million, reflecting the amount of money Allen has put into the club over the years, and meant that its liabilities no longer showed as exceeding the club's assets.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 21, 2020 13:45:55 GMT
on a related note, I came across this regarding Chesterfield. Obviously have no idea on the terms of sale but anyway www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200121-takeover-questions-answered/AC: Dave Allen and I remain committed to wanting the fans to take ownership of the club. Every month that goes by means that Dave needs to inject a minimum of £150,000 into the club. This month it will be over £200,000.
in context back to August 2019 Spireites' company secretary Ashley Carson released a statement on Wednesday confirming that the club's majority shareholder Dave Allen had written off a debt of just over £2 million owed to one of his other companies, A&S Leisure Group. That in turn reduced the club's outstanding debt to around £9.2 million, reflecting the amount of money Allen has put into the club over the years, and meant that its liabilities no longer showed as exceeding the club's assets. And may your God go with you.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 21, 2020 15:04:31 GMT
Classic ending to a DA..
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 21, 2020 15:17:56 GMT
What have the Romans sorry meant Jordanians ever done for us ? Besides saving us from Higgs Besides a raw deal at UWE Besides new stands and upgraded bars Besides having the best pitch outside the championship Besides effective communication with the supporters Well let’s remember them for postives
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 21, 2020 15:50:24 GMT
What have the Romans sorry meant Jordanians ever done for us ? Given someone shoulder-itis one Saturday evening after a sporting event, down Glos Rs to the Vic?
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Post by Rex on Jan 21, 2020 17:27:27 GMT
Sorry I asked now. Nobody knows then? Knowing the future is the flower of the Way, and the beginning of folly. Old Chinese proverb I believe. Or possibly Hong Kong Phooey.
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Post by Rex on Jan 21, 2020 17:29:46 GMT
Again. I agree with Harry! It pains me to say it but am I the voice of reason? As we all know history is written by the winners. As you know our Bristol Rovers History Group is up and running and am looking for creative writers to contribute an occasional article to the Rovers match day programme. Please get in touch with me if you are interested Have you asked the Al qadis speech writers?
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 21, 2020 20:40:19 GMT
It pains me to say it but am I the voice of reason? As we all know history is written by the winners. As you know our Bristol Rovers History Group is up and running and am looking for creative writers to contribute an occasional article to the Rovers match day programme. Please get in touch with me if you are interested Have you asked the Al qadis speech writers? Yes I did Bambi is ever so busy on here and can’t spare any time shame as he is bright, intelligent and can even spell big words without resorting to spell check .. do you wish to become famous for fifteen seconds Rex and have your words pondered over in the esteemed Pirate magazine?
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Post by swissgas on Jan 22, 2020 4:13:53 GMT
on a related note, I came across this regarding Chesterfield. Obviously have no idea on the terms of sale but anyway www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200121-takeover-questions-answered/AC: Dave Allen and I remain committed to wanting the fans to take ownership of the club. Every month that goes by means that Dave needs to inject a minimum of £150,000 into the club. This month it will be over £200,000.
in context back to August 2019 Spireites' company secretary Ashley Carson released a statement on Wednesday confirming that the club's majority shareholder Dave Allen had written off a debt of just over £2 million owed to one of his other companies, A&S Leisure Group.
That in turn reduced the club's outstanding debt to around £9.2 million, reflecting the amount of money Allen has put into the club over the years, and meant that its liabilities no longer showed as exceeding the club's assets. Thanks for posting this PP. Despite finding ourselves in disagreement about the owners over the past two and a half years I think basically we are both on the same page about Rovers. Chesterfield and Rovers both have owners wishing to sell but who is in the best position ? Unfortunately most Gasheads take a simplistic view that Rovers are a much bigger club than Chesterfield, we are in League 1 and we have far more of that elusive substance we call “ potential”. But what is the reality ? In 2018 both clubs had turnover of 5.8 million but Rovers lost 3.2 million whereas Chesterfield lost 1 million. Both clubs owed large sums to their owners with Rovers amount being 13.2 million and Chesterfields being 11 million. But the massive difference between the two clubs from the perspective of attractiveness to a prospective football club buyer is the stadium. Chesterfield own their own modern 10500 capacity stadium which even in the season in which they finished bottom of the football league enabled them to generate commercial income of 1.7 million. Rovers accounts don’t separate commercial income but my guess is that ours is a lot less than that. And as well as providing fans, players and staff a good working environment the Pro Act stadium has a 1.7 million community facility opened in 2013 which greatly enhances the value of the club to the people of Chesterfield. Chesterfield can say to a potential new football club owner owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 1 - 2 million per year but enjoy the benefit of a modern stadium to help you turn the situation around” Rovers can say to a potential new owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 2 - 3 million per year but then you will either have to spend about 15 million bringing our stadium up to standard or a net 30 + million to build a new one. There is no point now in debating the good and bad points of Dwane Sports ownership as we have done in the past. We have to move on and debate the next steps and what is the best way forward for Rovers. It’s not about “outrage” it’s about using the talents we have as a fan base and acting as a pressure group to positively influence the owners. Too many have cheered Nick on as he wasted part of the equity in the Mem and then continued cheering as Wael wasted the rest. I’m all for cheering people when they strive wholeheartedly for success even if they don’t achieve everything they aim for. But I’m dead against cheering people who are clearly failing just because they are true Gasheads or nice blokes. We can’t afford to make that mistake again.
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Post by Rex on Jan 22, 2020 8:21:08 GMT
Have you asked the Al qadis speech writers? Yes I did Bambi is ever so busy on here and can’t spare any time shame as he is bright, intelligent and can even spell big words without resorting to spell check .. do you wish to become famous for fifteen seconds Rex and have your words pondered over in the esteemed Pirate magazine? Although I haven't seen it with my own eyes, I believe I have been in it a couple of times this season. I happy to sign anyones copy for the rice of a pint of Doombar and/or Guinness
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Post by dido on Jan 22, 2020 8:36:15 GMT
Is that long-grain or short-grain Doombar, Rex?
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Post by vaughan on Jan 22, 2020 8:50:48 GMT
Swiss
Collective talents?
As a former BRFC Director, why don't you step forward and shape whatever you are recommending as a course of action?
We don't all wish to be tarred with the brush of KBWs?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:23:42 GMT
on a related note, I came across this regarding Chesterfield. Obviously have no idea on the terms of sale but anyway www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200121-takeover-questions-answered/AC: Dave Allen and I remain committed to wanting the fans to take ownership of the club. Every month that goes by means that Dave needs to inject a minimum of £150,000 into the club. This month it will be over £200,000.
in context back to August 2019 Spireites' company secretary Ashley Carson released a statement on Wednesday confirming that the club's majority shareholder Dave Allen had written off a debt of just over £2 million owed to one of his other companies, A&S Leisure Group.
That in turn reduced the club's outstanding debt to around £9.2 million, reflecting the amount of money Allen has put into the club over the years, and meant that its liabilities no longer showed as exceeding the club's assets. Thanks for posting this PP. Despite finding ourselves in disagreement about the owners over the past two and a half years I think basically we are both on the same page about Rovers. Chesterfield and Rovers both have owners wishing to sell but who is in the best position ? Unfortunately most Gasheads take a simplistic view that Rovers are a much bigger club than Chesterfield, we are in League 1 and we have far more of that elusive substance we call “ potential”. But what is the reality ? In 2018 both clubs had turnover of 5.8 million but Rovers lost 3.2 million whereas Chesterfield lost 1 million. Both clubs owed large sums to their owners with Rovers amount being 13.2 million and Chesterfields being 11 million. But the massive difference between the two clubs from the perspective of attractiveness to a prospective football club buyer is the stadium. Chesterfield own their own modern 10500 capacity stadium which even in the season in which they finished bottom of the football league enabled them to generate commercial income of 1.7 million. Rovers accounts don’t separate commercial income but my guess is that ours is a lot less than that. And as well as providing fans, players and staff a good working environment the Pro Act stadium has a 1.7 million community facility opened in 2013 which greatly enhances the value of the club to the people of Chesterfield. Chesterfield can say to a potential new football club owner owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 1 - 2 million per year but enjoy the benefit of a modern stadium to help you turn the situation around” Rovers can say to a potential new owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 2 - 3 million per year but then you will either have to spend about 15 million bringing our stadium up to standard or a net 30 + million to build a new one. There is no point now in debating the good and bad points of Dwane Sports ownership as we have done in the past. We have to move on and debate the next steps and what is the best way forward for Rovers. It’s not about “outrage” it’s about using the talents we have as a fan base and acting as a pressure group to positively influence the owners. Too many have cheered Nick on as he wasted part of the equity in the Mem and then continued cheering as Wael wasted the rest. I’m all for cheering people when they strive wholeheartedly for success even if they don’t achieve everything they aim for. But I’m dead against cheering people who are clearly failing just because they are true Gasheads or nice blokes. We can’t afford to make that mistake again. Absolutely
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 13:17:20 GMT
on a related note, I came across this regarding Chesterfield. Obviously have no idea on the terms of sale but anyway www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200121-takeover-questions-answered/AC: Dave Allen and I remain committed to wanting the fans to take ownership of the club. Every month that goes by means that Dave needs to inject a minimum of £150,000 into the club. This month it will be over £200,000.
in context back to August 2019 Spireites' company secretary Ashley Carson released a statement on Wednesday confirming that the club's majority shareholder Dave Allen had written off a debt of just over £2 million owed to one of his other companies, A&S Leisure Group.
That in turn reduced the club's outstanding debt to around £9.2 million, reflecting the amount of money Allen has put into the club over the years, and meant that its liabilities no longer showed as exceeding the club's assets. Thanks for posting this PP. Despite finding ourselves in disagreement about the owners over the past two and a half years I think basically we are both on the same page about Rovers. Chesterfield and Rovers both have owners wishing to sell but who is in the best position ? Unfortunately most Gasheads take a simplistic view that Rovers are a much bigger club than Chesterfield, we are in League 1 and we have far more of that elusive substance we call “ potential”. But what is the reality ? In 2018 both clubs had turnover of 5.8 million but Rovers lost 3.2 million whereas Chesterfield lost 1 million. Both clubs owed large sums to their owners with Rovers amount being 13.2 million and Chesterfields being 11 million. But the massive difference between the two clubs from the perspective of attractiveness to a prospective football club buyer is the stadium. Chesterfield own their own modern 10500 capacity stadium which even in the season in which they finished bottom of the football league enabled them to generate commercial income of 1.7 million. Rovers accounts don’t separate commercial income but my guess is that ours is a lot less than that. And as well as providing fans, players and staff a good working environment the Pro Act stadium has a 1.7 million community facility opened in 2013 which greatly enhances the value of the club to the people of Chesterfield. Chesterfield can say to a potential new football club owner owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 1 - 2 million per year but enjoy the benefit of a modern stadium to help you turn the situation around” Rovers can say to a potential new owner “ pay us what we have put in and get a club losing 2 - 3 million per year but then you will either have to spend about 15 million bringing our stadium up to standard or a net 30 + million to build a new one. There is no point now in debating the good and bad points of Dwane Sports ownership as we have done in the past. We have to move on and debate the next steps and what is the best way forward for Rovers. It’s not about “outrage” it’s about using the talents we have as a fan base and acting as a pressure group to positively influence the owners. Too many have cheered Nick on as he wasted part of the equity in the Mem and then continued cheering as Wael wasted the rest. I’m all for cheering people when they strive wholeheartedly for success even if they don’t achieve everything they aim for. But I’m dead against cheering people who are clearly failing just because they are true Gasheads or nice blokes. We can’t afford to make that mistake again. Can't argue with the financial comparison to Chesterfield, but in terms of potential, Rovers are actually a pretty good bet, if you are crazy enough to want to get involved in running a football club that it. Yes, I'm going to trot out the old line about how many people we take to showpiece matches, because it's actually relevant and a good indicator. Also, Bristol is a growing City, and a wealthy one, so no shortage of leisure time and money. The missing pieces of the puzzle are the facilities, and owners, like Lansdown, who actually get things done. Like him or resent him for acting within the law with his tax arrangements, when the Long Ashton stadium plan fell out of bed all he did was doubled his efforts to get their existing site modernised, that's the sort of leadership Rovers have never had. If I understand you correctly and you are saying that Dwane now have 1 foot out of the door, I disagree with what you are saying, if their exit strategy is to sell the ground to recover the money they've lost by not running things particularly well, then that should be publicly challenged.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 22:39:24 GMT
Are we finished? Four players in so far in the january window and none out. Its a grim situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 9:01:47 GMT
Are we finished? Four players in so far in the january window and none out. Its a grim situation. It is a grim situation when FFP rules kick in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 11:07:35 GMT
Are we finished? Four players in so far in the january window and none out. Its a grim situation. It is a grim situation when FFP rules kick in. Well something does not add up here,i mean posters saying the charge against the mem is either used up or fast approaching the point when it reaches the full value of the stadium. So why are we signing players if these doom merchants are correct?
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