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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 21:38:30 GMT
Not being dramatic, just a question after reading various points on various threads on here.
I haven't ever read the other site on purpose, as from what's been said, it's awful. This site is generally easy to follow and has some who seem to know what they're on about.
Someone who knows what's happening, please tell me...are the owners waiting to sell the only asset and get their money back, especially with the ill health of Senior.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 21:48:38 GMT
Nobody knows do they? So we just get a succession of mini fiction novels giving a possible scenario of what might happen. They might turn out to be true or untrue.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 18, 2020 22:25:34 GMT
In mid December I was on vacation and, sad as it may seem, had plenty of time to think about Rovers dilemma, the Fruit Market plan and Wael’s desperation to stay involved. I came up with the topic “Let’s make Rovers great for once” which outlined a plan for Wael to stay on as a back seat partner with a small shareholding. The logic behind this was that you can’t force someone to sell shares if they don’t want to, and it would be terrible to let the Fruit Market opportunity fade away without at least finding out if it would work for Rovers, so a compromise solution would have to be found.
After Christmas I started to receive messages about this plan and over the last three weeks have spoken to very many people some of whom have far more recent experience with Rovers than me and are much closer to the action. The consensus opinion is that my plan wouldn’t work because Hani has total control and Wael would not be allowed to roll over any money into Rovers so if he were to remain it would purely be because his family held the shares and made that a condition of sale. But my thoughts that the Mem would be sold to repay Dwane Sports and Rovers would be forced to ground share while something was done about a new stadium seem to be shared by many knowledgeable fans. We do seem to be in a situation where the club is for sale and the likely buyers are property developers who want the land and would pass the club on to new owners probably for a nominal amount.
So to answer Doc’s question “are we finished ?” I would say no we are not finished but we need to press for an orderly transition so that Rovers can start again and hopefully build the club, like we did at Twerton Park, to a position where we can buy or lease our own stadium and preserve our identity as a competitive professional football club in Bristol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 23:07:27 GMT
I would say no we are not finished but we need to press for an orderly transition so that Rovers can start again and hopefully build the club, like we did at Twerton Park, to a position where we can buy or lease our own stadium and preserve our identity as a competitive professional football club in Bristol. We need to press? I do not disagree, but I do not see how we press, either. Without an organised fanbase, picketing chosen matches in protest, and bringing everyone and his brother to other chosen matches as a show of unity, I cannot see how 'we press'. Unless 'we' means a chosen few with influence. But if 'we' means season and matchday ticket buyers, then as previous rebels will surely attest (paging the BRSC agenda for changers, the Gas Trust, Bristol Rovers Independent SC, Mark CZ, and the Welly lot, etc.) Gasheads, myself included, are a frustratingly apathetic and unorganised rabble when it comes to such organisation and actual action. I'm not arguing with you. But I don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 23:07:50 GMT
I can quite well believe that DS want Wael staying on as a condition of sale.
Why else is he here? He loves playing President and is not going to give up his grip on his position at the club without a struggle.
It’s sad how he’s gone from being an affable man with big dreams to an albatross round our necks, walling himself up in his ivory tower, flushing out dissenters but keeping his right hand man around. I think we could be in for a bumpy ride.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 23:09:17 GMT
I would say no we are not finished but we need to press for an orderly transition so that Rovers can start again and hopefully build the club, like we did at Twerton Park, to a position where we can buy or lease our own stadium and preserve our identity as a competitive professional football club in Bristol. We need to press? I do not disagree, but I do not see how we press, either. Without an organised fanbase, picketing chosen matches in protest, and bringing everyone and his brother to other chosen matches as a show of unity, I cannot see how 'we press'. Unless 'we' means a chosen few with influence. But if 'we' means season and matchday ticket buyers, then as previous rebels will surely attest (paging the BRSC agenda for changers, the Gas Trust, Bristol Rovers Independent SC, Mark CZ, and the Welly lot, etc.) Gasheads, myself included, are a frustratingly apathetic and unorganised rabble when it comes to such organisation and actual action. I'm not arguing with you. But I don't understand. No chance- you can see by the split in the poll on the other forum that the majority are, at the very least, not against the owners. Our fanbase is one of the most apathetic you’ll find.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 19, 2020 2:31:55 GMT
I would say no we are not finished but we need to press for an orderly transition so that Rovers can start again and hopefully build the club, like we did at Twerton Park, to a position where we can buy or lease our own stadium and preserve our identity as a competitive professional football club in Bristol. We need to press? I do not disagree, but I do not see how we press, either. Without an organised fanbase, picketing chosen matches in protest, and bringing everyone and his brother to other chosen matches as a show of unity, I cannot see how 'we press'. Unless 'we' means a chosen few with influence. But if 'we' means season and matchday ticket buyers, then as previous rebels will surely attest (paging the BRSC agenda for changers, the Gas Trust, Bristol Rovers Independent SC, Mark CZ, and the Welly lot, etc.) Gasheads, myself included, are a frustratingly apathetic and unorganised rabble when it comes to such organisation and actual action. I'm not arguing with you. But I don't understand. When I say press I mean press for something not protest against something. If we are not vigilant the current ownership may form a partnership which will continue to run the club in the same way with the same lofty promises but at someone else’s ground. Before that happens if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 19, 2020 8:02:40 GMT
We need to press? I do not disagree, but I do not see how we press, either. Without an organised fanbase, picketing chosen matches in protest, and bringing everyone and his brother to other chosen matches as a show of unity, I cannot see how 'we press'. Unless 'we' means a chosen few with influence. But if 'we' means season and matchday ticket buyers, then as previous rebels will surely attest (paging the BRSC agenda for changers, the Gas Trust, Bristol Rovers Independent SC, Mark CZ, and the Welly lot, etc.) Gasheads, myself included, are a frustratingly apathetic and unorganised rabble when it comes to such organisation and actual action. I'm not arguing with you. But I don't understand. When I say press I mean press for something not protest against something. If we are not vigilant the current ownership may form a partnership which will continue to run the club in the same way with the same lofty promises but at someone else’s ground. Before that happens if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future. Frankly we need leaders like Tony Craig on the pitch to get us back on track and leaders off the pitch. All the marketing in the world will not solve a problem like BRFC. Fans will remain apathetic to change calling for the managers head and for the owners to sell up. Sadly we are what we are a third rate business surviving year on year occasionally rising hopes but invariably failing to make progress. We are Not doomed just floating along. UTG
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Post by Rex on Jan 19, 2020 8:38:15 GMT
When I say press I mean press for something not protest against something. If we are not vigilant the current ownership may form a partnership which will continue to run the club in the same way with the same lofty promises but at someone else’s ground. Before that happens if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future. Frankly we need leaders like Tony Craig on the pitch to get us back on track and leaders off the pitch. All the marketing in the world will not solve a problem like BRFC. Fans will remain apathetic to change calling for the managers head and for the owners to sell up. Sadly we are what we are a third rate business surviving year on year occasionally rising hopes but invariably failing to make progress. We are Not doomed just floating along. UTG Let the 19th of January forever be remembered as the day I agreed with a harrybuckle post.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 19, 2020 9:02:58 GMT
Broken clock, Rex...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 9:45:22 GMT
if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future. Again, Sir: press for it how?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 10:24:53 GMT
We do seem to be in a situation where the club is for sale and the likely buyers are property developers who want the land and would pass the club on to new owners probably for a nominal amount. That's exactly where we appear to be Swiss and things appear to be moving from two interested parties to one united one to achieve what you predict.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 19, 2020 10:27:19 GMT
Sad to read about the training place we use at Cribbs is 'Like a Swamp'.Goodness knows what the newbies make of everything.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 19, 2020 10:39:10 GMT
if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future. Again, Sir: press for it how? Fair point duck. Even if the Board were aware that 100% of the fanbase thought they were idiots, there's still very little we can actually do about it. At the moment it's only around the 33% mark. Astonishing. Sounds like we're slowly getting to the denouement. Evolution eh. Ground sharing with Bath City (if we're lucky). Who'd have thought it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 10:55:46 GMT
Sounds like we're slowly getting to the denouement. Evolution eh. Ground sharing with Bath City (if we're lucky). Who'd have thought it? Lovely word. Higgs and Al Qadi are disasters. BRFC had losses under Dunford, but we owned the Memorial Ground. Now apparently owners can sell it for housing to pay themselves back debts for which they are responsible. This is some perversion of capitalism indeed. Responsibility without liability. We've been wishing for too long for a new 'stadium', when perhaps we should have defended with our lives the ground we occupy on Saturday. That million pound of supporters' money ought to have prevented this: no doubt the BRSC's BRFC Director will. Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 10:58:03 GMT
Sounds like we're slowly getting to the denouement. Evolution eh. Ground sharing with Bath City (if we're lucky). Who'd have thought it? Lovely word. Higgs and Al Qadi are disasters. BRFC had losses under Dunford, but we owned the Memorial Ground. Now apparently owners can sell it for housing to pay themselves back debts for which they are responsible. This is some perversion of capitalism indeed. Responsibility without liability. We've been wishing for too long for a new 'stadium', when perhaps we should have defended with our lives the ground we occupy on Saturday. That million pound of supporters' money ought to have prevented this: no doubt the BRSC's BRFC Director will. Oh. Exactly.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 19, 2020 13:12:04 GMT
Not being dramatic, just a question after reading various points on various threads on here. I haven't ever read the other site on purpose, as from what's been said, it's awful. This site is generally easy to follow and has some who seem to know what they're on about. Someone who knows what's happening, please tell me...are the owners waiting to sell the only asset and get their money back, especially with the ill health of Senior. Not IMO, just a transition period at the moment after losing a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 13:19:03 GMT
if an alternative appears with plans which stand up to close scrutiny then we should unite and press for that alternative to be our future. Again, Sir: press for it how? Well, us lot bickering on message boards won't do the job. The answer is out there. People like Andy Tate at Man Utd and Robbie Lyle at Arsenal have shown the power of social media. You need a figure head and a message. And of course the will to do the thing.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 19, 2020 13:48:09 GMT
Again, Sir: press for it how? Well, us lot bickering on message boards won't do the job. The answer is out there. People like Andy Tate at Man Utd and Robbie Lyle at Arsenal have shown the power of social media. You need a figure head and a message. And of course the will to do the thing. Spot on and what we have is a split and extremely apathetic fanbase. For what it’s worth, I don’t think any such campaign would work at Rovers and because we still have a lot of supporters who show faith in the owners and are in denial
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 13:54:51 GMT
Again, Sir: press for it how? Well, us lot bickering on message boards won't do the job. The answer is out there. People like Andy Tate at Man Utd and Robbie Lyle at Arsenal have shown the power of social media. You need a figure head and a message. And of course the will to do the thing. Yes, perhaps. But a poor comparison. Two very wealthy clubs with a brand to protect may indeed feel such "power of social media" We have no such brand. The comparison is Bury and Stockport. Social Media will have zero impact in those circumstances.
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