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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 20:54:49 GMT
There appears to be a few more other than Hamer and Masters who see supporting a deal as a cheap way to take over a football club. The unfortunate thing is it would appear that it will be in name only as the assets will disappear in the deal. What assets, will there actually be any equity left in the Mem in a year or two? By the time a new stadium is built we'll probably by in negative equity territory. Well, at the moment the assets are in the name of the company that owns the club. I agree though I only see losing that asset to clear the debt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 20:56:06 GMT
What assets, will there actually be any equity left in the Mem in a year or two? By the time a new stadium is built we'll probably by in negative equity territory. New stadium 3-2-1- you're back in the room.
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Post by MisterSitter on Jan 16, 2020 23:07:28 GMT
New stadium 3-2-1- you're back in the room. Whoa!! That time it seemed so real
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 23:28:56 GMT
3-2-1- you're back in the room. Whoa!! That time it seemed so real Dude, you've been walking around clucking like a chicken for months. At the start it was funny, then it got worrying, then we just all chipped in for bags of corn.
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Post by MisterSitter on Jan 16, 2020 23:50:53 GMT
Whoa!! That time it seemed so real Dude, you've been walking around clucking like a chicken for months. At the start it was funny, then it got worrying, then we just all chipped in for bags of corn. Ah thank you guys, I think I've shaken it off now. There's no place like home. There's no place like home....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 16, 2020 23:57:04 GMT
You are obviously not as informed as you like to think you are - suggest you discover the REAL facts before posting your rubbish I'd like to know some real facts, but no one seems to want to share them Have we had any facts yet PP? I got lost along the way.....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jan 16, 2020 23:58:41 GMT
From the information I got then Ken was banned for allegedly leaking information and yet he has not been privy to a board meeting in a good while. It just stinks of insecurity and the need to control, by El Presidente You don't have to attend Board meetings to obtain information to spread to others. Someone else can attend and whisper in your ear..... Just a thought KP!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 0:25:09 GMT
gashead1981, who I think is a mod, at the other place (and I think I understand the lightly tortured English in the italicised piece)... The fruit market site was offered to us in 2001. It’s hardly new information and Ken and Hamer were the lead architects of trying to get it done having had an introduction to the construction parties following the collapse of UWE. Thing is they were trying to position themselves to also have an executive role in running the club once that had carried on. It would appear that pursuit has what’s led a charge against the owners and for him to eventually fall on their own swords.From the outside looking in they were prepared to give away anything to attain that position so then you have to question whether they are working in their best interests or the clubs. Then you look at how the SC is being run and you can only see that it has no positive future. Ken in charge of negotiating the deal for a new stadium site. I needed a good laugh. That's about as credible as saying that H R Puffinstuff designed and singlehandedly built the Cern large hadron collider.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2020 9:42:59 GMT
From the information I got then Ken was banned for allegedly leaking information and yet he has not been privy to a board meeting in a good while. It just stinks of insecurity and the need to control, by El Presidente You don't have to attend Board meetings to obtain information to spread to others. Someone else can attend and whisper in your ear..... Just a thought KP! I understand that but, as KM & SH were basucally made pariahs and people were told not to talk with them, I wonder where he could have got any information from plus it genuinely looks like our owner is insecure & paranoid to even have issued such instruction. I firmly believe & have done, since we were bought out by the family, that we are in a much more precarious situation than ever before. Just imagine, for one moment, if all of the strange things going on and debt trebled but under our previous chairman, there would be lots more baying for blood and yet we have many who still think there is no crisis. personally, I think that we are in serious trouble but time will tell & it certainly doesn’t look like we have anything or anyone who could offer a rescue plan, as there were when we ended up at Bath
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 17, 2020 10:57:47 GMT
My own thought is that we are slowly being eroded in a shrouded sleepwalk until a timeframe where it is deemed 'necessary' to fold the club and sell the assets to balance the books, money back and goodbye Rovers. I do not believe that anybody is interested in buying us, and I don't think that we have the people with the skill set and finances to get involved in a major project and be taken seriously. I would go further to say that even if we were offered 'free land' we still would be unable to organise the build of a Stadium. I think we have had our chances with this board and the last board to do something, we have not, the track record speaks for itself. Would love to be proved wrong, but somehow I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:11:22 GMT
My own thought is that we are slowly being eroded in a shrouded sleepwalk until a timeframe where it is deemed 'necessary' to fold the club and sell the assets to balance the books, money back and goodbye Rovers. I do not believe that anybody is interested in buying us, and I don't think that we have the people with the skill set and finances to get involved in a major project and be taken seriously. I would go further to say that even if we were offered 'free land' we still would be unable to organise the build of a Stadium. I think we have had our chances with this board and the last board to do something, we have not, the track record speaks for itself. Would love to be proved wrong, but somehow I doubt it. As things stand, I agree with this summation.
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Post by vaughan on Jan 17, 2020 11:41:28 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future.
As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist.
However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum.
The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different.
To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 17, 2020 13:50:09 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future. As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist. However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum. The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different. To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change. Absolutely. We have to do things differently. The 'old model' of Directors pumping in a couple of hundred grand a year to keep the Club's head above water are well and truly gone. If we can't adopt a fan ownership type model, then I don't know what the solution is. The future looks very bleak indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 14:19:16 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future. As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist. However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum. The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different. To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change. The edge is right there: the pirate. Why the hell we aren’t marketing the **** out of that to the youth I don’t know. Gorringe has done alright to a point with the bland corporate videos but until we have a slick new stadium we can’t really play the corporate, professional football club card, appealing to families who want a day out. That’s City’s role and it’s arguable whether, as one of two clubs in the same city, we should be marketing ourselves in a way that competes with them anyway. With our ageing fan base our core target supporter should be young lads, preferably local but could appeal to the student population too and you can appeal to them by taking a leaf out of St Pauli’s book and going the whole hog on the appeal of the Pirate/Jolly Roger counter-culture aspect. The very antithesis of a slick, corporate day out. I’d surmise there is a big market for that amongst the youth of Bristol. Certainly enough to swell the crowds and bring a younger generation into the fold.
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Post by dido on Jan 17, 2020 14:42:24 GMT
Only lads, then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 14:55:53 GMT
I’m sure some girls would go for it as well, but personally I wouldn’t be ashamed to be marketing mostly to males- you can end up trying to please everyone and actually pleasing no-one. We can’t be all things to all people, that’s City’s job. We are a niche club and as a result have to use that as our appeal. Best to have a strong identity for a core demographic and if anyone else jumps on board the more the merrier.
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Post by vaughan on Jan 17, 2020 15:02:44 GMT
WM Gas - with you all the way.
It has to be distinctive.
For example, there is a supporter called Caz May on Twitter. She is glam and sometimes has the mouth of a sewer (showing my age and apologies to Caz), but she is the type of person that I would "employ" to recruit / grow our fan base. Young, social media savvy, passionate, gets it.
BTW Our adopted song should be
"No-one rates us, we don't care".
Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2020 15:06:10 GMT
My own thought is that we are slowly being eroded in a shrouded sleepwalk until a timeframe where it is deemed 'necessary' to fold the club and sell the assets to balance the books, money back and goodbye Rovers. I do not believe that anybody is interested in buying us, and I don't think that we have the people with the skill set and finances to get involved in a major project and be taken seriously. I would go further to say that even if we were offered 'free land' we still would be unable to organise the build of a Stadium. I think we have had our chances with this board and the last board to do something, we have not, the track record speaks for itself. Would love to be proved wrong, but somehow I doubt it. I agree completely and I’d add that the recent circus of events and our glorious president cutting himself off from all that disagree or question, is a sign of an increasingly paranoid man , one who is totally unable to sort things out
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Post by croscombegas on Jan 17, 2020 15:20:30 GMT
My own thought is that we are slowly being eroded in a shrouded sleepwalk until a timeframe where it is deemed 'necessary' to fold the club and sell the assets to balance the books, money back and goodbye Rovers. I do not believe that anybody is interested in buying us, and I don't think that we have the people with the skill set and finances to get involved in a major project and be taken seriously. I would go further to say that even if we were offered 'free land' we still would be unable to organise the build of a Stadium. I think we have had our chances with this board and the last board to do something, we have not, the track record speaks for itself. Would love to be proved wrong, but somehow I doubt it. Totally and definitely 100% correct statement Sir , my thoughts exactly except you have put them in print so much more eloquently than I ever could 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2020 15:26:57 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future. As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist. However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum. The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different. To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change. The edge is right there: the pirate. Why the hell we aren’t marketing the **** out of that to the youth I don’t know. Gorringe has done alright to a point with the bland corporate videos but until we have a slick new stadium we can’t really play the corporate, professional football club card, appealing to families who want a day out. That’s City’s role and it’s arguable whether, as one of two clubs in the same city, we should be marketing ourselves in a way that competes with them anyway. With our ageing fan base our core target supporter should be young lads, preferably local but could appeal to the student population too and you can appeal to them by taking a leaf out of St Pauli’s book and going the whole hog on the appeal of the Pirate/Jolly Roger counter-culture aspect. The very antithesis of a slick, corporate day out. I’d surmise there is a big market for that amongst the youth of Bristol. Certainly enough to swell the crowds and bring a younger generation into the fold. I’ve said the same & for a long time. When I did away games, we got many try to buy our coach flag. We have never used it in any way, for PR yet it’s such an obvious thing. I was hoping TG would recognise this and start to work on it but no, we really are crap at PR
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