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Post by eastlondongas on Dec 23, 2019 12:44:06 GMT
That's not Coughlan's style. He doesn't knock doors down.......he walks through them at the first opportunity. The board deserve some credit on this. Garner deserves a chance to show what he can do and the board have given it to him. We have rarely succeeded under managers with previous experience of league management. McGhee Penney Grayson Francis (2nd) Ward (2nd) Atkins Allison Megson, Francis (1st time), Trollope, Darrell... we are successful when we have a younger 'coach' style man at the helm. Ben Garner might not have been at the club before his appointment like those I've just mentioned, but he's worked with Pulis and Holloway (Rovers ties - I'm sure he's spoken to the pair of them about the club). He's also got a lot to prove himself... he can't fail at the first hurdle. That means passion and commitment. So many of the outside appointments chelt_gas listed were just here to pick up another job. |
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 23, 2019 12:50:26 GMT
We have rarely succeeded under managers with previous experience of league management. McGhee Penney Grayson Francis (2nd) Ward (2nd) Atkins Allison On paper, Penney and Grayson were excellent appointments. Ward and Francis had off-field issues and so perhaps unfair to judge them? Atkins did a reasonable job and put in place the foundations for the 2007/08 promotion team. That’s true, circumstance absolutely has it’s effect. But there is a symmetry about the kind of managers who are successful at this club and, sadly, ones that are not. I hope the players and Garner warm to each other otherwise it would matter how technically astute he is!! |
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Post by steviegas on Dec 23, 2019 12:57:26 GMT
We have rarely succeeded under managers with previous experience of league management. McGhee Penney Grayson Francis (2nd) Ward (2nd) Atkins Allison On paper, Penney and Grayson were excellent appointments. Ward and Francis had off-field issues and so perhaps unfair to judge them? Atkins did a reasonable job and put in place the foundations for the 2007/08 promotion team.  ? hmmm |
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Post by prideofbristol on Dec 23, 2019 13:03:52 GMT
On paper, Penney and Grayson were excellent appointments. Ward and Francis had off-field issues and so perhaps unfair to judge them? Atkins did a reasonable job and put in place the foundations for the 2007/08 promotion team. ? hmmm More of a success after he left than when he was here. Without Atkins, no Campbell, Hinton, Elliot, Disley, Walker.......or Paul Trollope. |
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 23, 2019 13:05:44 GMT
On official site there is a picture of 4 holding a scarf.
Starnes Wael Garner and ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:08:28 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster.
If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense.
But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 23, 2019 13:11:51 GMT
On official site there is a picture of 4 holding a scarf. Starnes Wael Garner and ? Widdrington |
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Post by eastlondongas on Dec 23, 2019 13:22:02 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster. If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense. But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view. Are you just saying that so you can say 'I told you so' later, or do you genuinely believe it will be a disaster?It's a matter of perspective but 'a disaster' in my opinion would be us getting relegated by appointing Ben Garner. I just can't see that happening. If we are having cutbacks then it doesn't matter who is appointed, it will be a negative outcome as nobody will be able to achieve instant success. At least Garner is saying 'we could build something' here at Bristol Rovers... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:27:12 GMT
Atkins did a reasonable job? hmmm More of a success after he left than when he was here. Without Atkins, no Campbell, Hinton, Elliot, Disley, Walker.......or Paul Trollope. This keeps coming up. People seem to have short memories don't they? Atkins was as mad as a box of frogs, but he saved us from relegation, that was what he was brought in to do, and he brought all of the players you list, they were the core of the squad that got us promoted. Wish we had more managers 'fail' like he did. |
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 23, 2019 13:28:49 GMT
Can Deon Moore come back now?
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Post by prideofbristol on Dec 23, 2019 13:31:42 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster. If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense. But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view. Criticise the board by all means for making promises that have not been kept. However, it is unfair to criticise them by assuming that GC left because he was told he would have to sell players or make budget cutbacks.
This is an assumption that people have made on the basis of GC's self-serving wails that he might have taken the club as far it could go. Rather than citing 'professional' concerns, GC should have clarified that he was given all the support that he requested when at the club and that he could have no complaints about the level of support he received. Starnes has made it quite clear that GC did not express any concerns to him. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 23, 2019 13:31:55 GMT
Managers are like buses you wait for one and four come along in a week!
He will be gone by New Years Day and Hargreaves installed as BG does not like being away from Palace.
As I was buying our Coventry tickets in Rovers Superstore at 9am I saw Wilfred Zaha with BG selecting a xl Rovers shirt ready for the press conference it seems like JCH is Palace bound in a straight swap !
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Post by jqgas on Dec 23, 2019 13:32:30 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster. If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense. But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view. Are you just saying that so you can say 'I told you so' later, or do you genuinely believe it will be a disaster?It's a matter of perspective but 'a disaster' in my opinion would be us getting relegated by appointing Ben Garner. I just can't see that happening. If we are having cutbacks then it doesn't matter who is appointed, it will be a negative outcome as nobody will be able to achieve instant success. At least Garner is saying 'we could build something' here at Bristol Rovers... Are we also saying that Garner is so wet behind the ears that he hasn't heard about any of the financial issues and constraints besetting the club? He may never have been a manager but I'm sure he has enough contacts in the know to have a realistic appreciation of what he's getting into. Yes it could be a struggle but most lower division appointments for a first-time manager will be just that - it tends to go with the territory. |
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Post by prideofbristol on Dec 23, 2019 13:41:42 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster. If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense. But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view. Are you just saying that so you can say 'I told you so' later, or do you genuinely believe it will be a disaster?It's a matter of perspective but 'a disaster' in my opinion would be us getting relegated by appointing Ben Garner. I just can't see that happening. If we are having cutbacks then it doesn't matter who is appointed, it will be a negative outcome as nobody will be able to achieve instant success. At least Garner is saying 'we could build something' here at Bristol Rovers... On cutbacks, the key word is 'if'. When they were previously made, the board clearly explained why they were required and how they would be made. On this basis, it is surely only fair to assume they will do the same again. Criticism on the training ground and the stadium is fair and justified. But both DC and GC were given sufficient financial support on the field, and this should be recognised. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 23, 2019 13:44:34 GMT
On official site there is a picture of 4 holding a scarf. Starnes Wael Garner and ? Widdrington tisdale ruled out because the type of football he plays wouldn’t fit current squad. Holloway ruled out as he wouldn’t defer to Widders the DOF and just be first team post. Widders wields a lot of power at this club now, Ben has to leave transfers to him I’m not comfortable with that. Widders a DOF in all but name. in terms of a 1st team coach though, work and develop players, match winning systems, I am more than happy I am excited by this appointment. let’s get behind him. How long does he need until we can expect run of results and strong brand of football? 6 months? A year? More? |
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Post by Angas on Dec 23, 2019 13:50:16 GMT
I think this appointment will be a total disaster. If the wael dream of cat 2 academy and state of the art training facility had actually happened it might make more sense. But a young coach facing losing his best players and playing budget cutbacks is going to struggle in my view. I'm starting to think you just like being contrary  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 13:51:50 GMT
Just another gamble by the board. Can somebody please explain why people are happy when he has never been a manager before. The club have totally ignored the fans choice. Not that they have ever listened to their main income in the past.
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Post by Angas on Dec 23, 2019 13:53:36 GMT
Just another gamble by the board. Can somebody please explain why people are happy when he has never been a manager before. The club have totally ignored the fans choice. Not that they have ever listened to their main income in the past. Son of vertigo?  |
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 23, 2019 13:56:37 GMT
tisdale ruled out because the type of football he plays wouldn’t fit current squad. Holloway ruled out as he wouldn’t defer to Widders the DOF and just be first team post. Widders wields a lot of power at this club now, Ben has to leave transfers to him I’m not comfortable with that. Widders a DOF in all but name. in terms of a 1st team coach though, work and develop players, match winning systems, I am more than happy I am excited by this appointment. let’s get behind him. How long does he need until we can expect run of results and strong brand of football? 6 months? A year? More? Widdrington's job is about having all sorts of players scouted and I assume in the modern age all sorts of databases of statistics. It's the 21st century now. Moneyball concepts and the like
Doesn't mean players are forced on the manager or the manager cannot suggests players.
People moan in the past we are slow to get replacements. Tommy W has in theory ready made lists of players the manager may or may not be interested in
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Dec 23, 2019 14:08:37 GMT
tisdale ruled out because the type of football he plays wouldn’t fit current squad. Holloway ruled out as he wouldn’t defer to Widders the DOF and just be first team post. Widders wields a lot of power at this club now, Ben has to leave transfers to him I’m not comfortable with that. Widders a DOF in all but name. in terms of a 1st team coach though, work and develop players, match winning systems, I am more than happy I am excited by this appointment. let’s get behind him. How long does he need until we can expect run of results and strong brand of football? 6 months? A year? More? Widdrington's job is about having all sorts of players scouted and I assume in the modern age all sorts of databases of statistics. It's the 21st century now. Moneyball concepts and the like
Doesn't mean players are forced on the manager or the manager cannot suggests players.
People moan in the past we are slow to get replacements. Tommy W has in theory ready made lists of players the manager may or may not be interested in
tension between Cocko and widders about outs and ins. widders is a DOF not scout answering to manager, Ben has agreed not to be Bristol Rovers manager but 1st team coach. |
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