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Post by syg on Dec 19, 2019 18:08:53 GMT
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Post by Angas on Dec 19, 2019 23:08:09 GMT
Don't know if the link's been put up. I suspect most won't be interested in anything he has to say. I thought it was worth a listen - on at the beginning of the programme so around 6 minutes in - www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07v8vdg
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 23:30:51 GMT
I thought it was a very good interview and a good insight into the situation with coughlan. I think he deserves some respect for fronting up to twentyman.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 20, 2019 12:02:24 GMT
Very interesting in the financial comments. Seemed very emotional & also the comment about what he could do to win the fans over. A mixture of insecurity, lack of appreciation and family is what I felt from that
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Post by Angas on Dec 20, 2019 12:28:20 GMT
It was the comments re contract that puzzled me. As if his two and a half year one wasn't actually definite?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:47:40 GMT
Snake V11.
This is even worse than Taylor, at least Turncoat was moving up the football pyramid, this weasel has sold his self respect for a 4th tier club with 4000 supporters.
Hope he's comfortable with what he sees when he looks in a mirror, I wouldn't be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:50:39 GMT
It was the comments re contract that puzzled me. As if his two and a half year one wasn't actually definite? He probably had one of those long contracts with a 6 month termination period written in that some on here told me didn't exist despite me being party to more than one at Bristol Rovers in the past.
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Post by Angas on Dec 20, 2019 12:52:28 GMT
Sounds feasible. I did hope G20man would question him on what he meant. Ah well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:56:35 GMT
It was the comments re contract that puzzled me. As if his two and a half year one wasn't actually definite? He problem had one of those long contracts with a 6 month termination period written in that some on here told me didn't exist despite me being party to more than one at Bristol Rovers in the past. Hope you paid more attention to drafting the contracts than you did to writing that post
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 20, 2019 12:56:58 GMT
Perhaps the termination clause was not very good with us!
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 20, 2019 12:57:25 GMT
It was the comments re contract that puzzled me. As if his two and a half year one wasn't actually definite? He problem had one of those long contracts with a 6 month termination period written in that some on here told me didn't exist despite me being party to more than one at Bristol Rovers in the past. can you say what is standard-ish in the game phil - it seems to me that 6 months compo if things don't work out isn't unreasonable, especially for a manager without a track record and so in a relatively weaker negotiating position? also, if what you say is the case, I'd imagine that Rovers would have asked Mansfield to cover the compo, plus maybe the same again to cover dislocation/cost of finding a replacement etc. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:59:43 GMT
Perhaps the termination clause was not very good with us! Whatever it was, he signed it, so should honour it. If what the club said is correct, permission was denied to speak to Mansfield, at that point it's over and he gets on with his work. He's let himself down badly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:18:14 GMT
He problem had one of those long contracts with a 6 month termination period written in that some on here told me didn't exist despite me being party to more than one at Bristol Rovers in the past. Hope you paid more attention to drafting the contracts than you did to writing that post Trying to eat my marmite and cheese on toast at the same time :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:22:42 GMT
He problem had one of those long contracts with a 6 month termination period written in that some on here told me didn't exist despite me being party to more than one at Bristol Rovers in the past. can you say what is standard-ish in the game phil - it seems to me that 6 months compo if things don't work out isn't unreasonable, especially for a manager without a track record and so in a relatively weaker negotiating position? also, if what you say is the case, I'd imagine that Rovers would have asked Mansfield to cover the compo, plus maybe the same again to cover dislocation/cost of finding a replacement etc. What do you think? It depends on who you are appointing. If you are hiring an experienced manager then they usually turn up with their own contract already written and you negotiate on that. For a young desperate novice they will usually sign what is put in front of them. I did explain about a former West Country manager who had a three year contract but the clauses allowed for termination without notice if the club wasn't in at least a play off place, the team failed to win one in three games, gates fell below a certain level.....affectively he never had a contract but he signed it to get on the ladder. No idea what Mansfield are likely to have paid but I would bet an oven ready turkey against a chicken thigh that it wouldn't cover one weeks losses.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 20, 2019 13:30:16 GMT
can you say what is standard-ish in the game phil - it seems to me that 6 months compo if things don't work out isn't unreasonable, especially for a manager without a track record and so in a relatively weaker negotiating position? also, if what you say is the case, I'd imagine that Rovers would have asked Mansfield to cover the compo, plus maybe the same again to cover dislocation/cost of finding a replacement etc. What do you think? It depends on who you are appointing. If you are hiring an experienced manager then they usually turn up with their own contract already written and you negotiate on that. For a young desperate novice they will usually sign what is put in front of them. I did explain about a former West Country manager who had a three year contract but the clauses allowed for termination without notice if the club wasn't in at least a play off place, the team failed to win one in three games, gates fell below a certain level.....affectively he never had a contract but he signed it to get on the ladder. No idea what Mansfield are likely to have paid but I would bet an oven ready turkey against a chicken thigh that it wouldn't cover one weeks losses. so I'm gonna guess £65k for the compo and £65k for the upheaval which seems about what you are saying
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:31:44 GMT
It depends on who you are appointing. If you are hiring an experienced manager then they usually turn up with their own contract already written and you negotiate on that. For a young desperate novice they will usually sign what is put in front of them. I did explain about a former West Country manager who had a three year contract but the clauses allowed for termination without notice if the club wasn't in at least a play off place, the team failed to win one in three games, gates fell below a certain level.....affectively he never had a contract but he signed it to get on the ladder. No idea what Mansfield are likely to have paid but I would bet an oven ready turkey against a chicken thigh that it wouldn't cover one weeks losses. so I'm gonna guess £65k for the compo and £65k for the upheaval which seems about what you are saying We can only guess AMPG. It might appear in the accounts in a couple of years time but I would be amazed if it was that high.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:45:51 GMT
Hope you paid more attention to drafting the contracts than you did to writing that post Trying to eat my marmite and cheese on toast at the same time :-) Marmite on toast, not having that, not for one minute. How's the view from the dining area of the Avon Gorge Hotel?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:57:09 GMT
Trying to eat my marmite and cheese on toast at the same time :-) Marmite on toast, not having that, not for one minute. How's the view from the dining area of the Avon Gorge Hotel? Don't forget the cheese. I haven't been to that fine viewing area for some time. I'm safely down the M5 in sunny Devon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:36:08 GMT
Marmite on toast, not having that, not for one minute. How's the view from the dining area of the Avon Gorge Hotel? Don't forget the cheese. I haven't been to that fine viewing area for some time. I'm safely down the M5 in sunny Devon. It hasn't changed, bit of a time warp, but best view to enjoy lunch over in the country? Odd thing is, lunch at Boston Tea Party is probably more expensive. But don't tell everybody.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 20, 2019 14:59:07 GMT
Turned the radio on, all I got was a hiss.
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