GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 11, 2019 9:33:26 GMT
On more than one occasion this season I’ve asked myself “how on earth are Wycombe doing so well?”.
I’ve only spent a few minutes looking into the matter, but my tentative conclusion is NOT that they’ve splashed a lot of cash (at least not in transfer fees, although maybe in wages). Rather, they’ve made two or three good acquisitions to add to an established core, and supplemented the wider squad with further loans and free transfers.
Looking at the Wycombe team line-up from four random League One matches this season, I see that five players have featured in all four games, and a further four were missing in only one. Of these (almost) ever presents, seven were already at Wycombe last season; most - like keeper Allsop, defenders Stewart and Jacobson, midfielders Bloomfield and Gape and 37—year-old Akinfenwa - had been there for several years.
The only newcomers this season who have featured regularly were Grimmer (a free transfer from Coventry) and Wheeler (a free transfer from QPR).
Other recruits, who have tended to appear only as substitutes, are Parker (free from Charlton), Aarons (loan from Newcastle), Philips (loan from QPR) and Onyedinma (from Millwall).
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Post by simonj on Dec 11, 2019 10:41:37 GMT
I know. I think it demonstrates a weak league this year, our points total backing this up.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2019 11:10:39 GMT
A little bit like Shrewsbury a couple of years ago, Wycombe are over achieving.
This makes our (at the time) disappointing draw against them elevated up to more impressive.
They are playing as a team, well motivated and coached well. Who knows what they can achieve?
I don't like Wycombe for the obvious reasons but very satisfied that there is another way to achieve success without spending countless millions on wages etc, so have a begrudging respect and admiration for their status. Having said that, albeit going about it with gamesmanship leaves alot to be desired..
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 11, 2019 11:18:28 GMT
I know. I think it demonstrates a weak league this year, our points total backing this up. Maybe. I can't help feeling that Pompey, Sunderland, Rotherham et al will improve their current placings ultimately; not because they are very good, rather they will just get their act together.
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 11, 2019 11:19:47 GMT
A little bit like Shrewsbury a couple of years ago, Wycombe are over achieving. This makes our (at the time) disappointing draw against them elevated up to more impressive. They are playing as a team, well motivated and coached well. Who knows what they can achieve? I don't like Wycombe for the obvious reasons but very satisfied that there is another way to achieve success without spending countless millions on wages etc, so have a begrudging respect and admiration for their status. Having said that, albeit going about it with gamesmanship leaves alot to be desired.. Perhaps. Unlike Shrews two years ago (when Paul Hurst came in), Wycombe have not changed their manager...which makes their current position all the more astonishing. Where has the fresh momentum come from?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 11, 2019 11:23:30 GMT
A little bit like Shrewsbury a couple of years ago, Wycombe are over achieving. This makes our (at the time) disappointing draw against them elevated up to more impressive. They are playing as a team, well motivated and coached well. Who knows what they can achieve? I don't like Wycombe for the obvious reasons but very satisfied that there is another way to achieve success without spending countless millions on wages etc, so have a begrudging respect and admiration for their status. Having said that, albeit going about it with gamesmanship leaves alot to be desired.. Perhaps. Unlike Shrews two years ago (when Paul Hurst came in), Wycombe have not changed their manager...which makes their current position all the more astonishing. Where has the fresh momentum come from? Probably that freak lightning bolt... 😬 Grrrrrrr..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 11:29:26 GMT
Couple of points;
- The League is piss weak this year. - On Quest, Ainsworth said they had an element of "luck" with their transfers as they were all "spot on". Pointed out this isn't always the case, even if you get exactly who you want.
Personally I think our 16/17 squad would batter the current one, I just think the League currently is very, very weak.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 13:16:45 GMT
Or you can take the opposite view. Big budget sunderland,portsmouth and rotherham are struggling so the league is clearly very strong this year.
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Post by prideofbristol on Dec 11, 2019 13:43:43 GMT
Try turning the table up the other way.....it makes more sense.
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Post by Rex on Dec 11, 2019 17:30:55 GMT
I don't really buy 'the league is weak this season' which I have hear wheeled out a few times over the years. There is no proof of this one way or the other and is as irrelevant as saying George Best was a better player than Lionel Messi. Any league is what it is in any particular season and at the end of it, the best team will win. Wycombe are a good side this year, as are we.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2019 19:46:05 GMT
Thanks for the stats on Wycombe GasMacc, good idea for thread. Have to agree with what people have said about the overall standard this year being lower in League 1. Ainsworth is the new “in-person” on Quest and everything he says Colin Murray seems to take as gospel. Whatever Ainsworth has achieved is well deserved, he speaks well and usually with a lot of common sense. He’s learnt how to manage on low budgets and lower quality players but has learnt the skill of man management and gets the best out of what he’s got. He has probably got Wycombe playing better football with the better players he has now than before and anyone who argues with Derek Adams and John Sheridan (when they were at Plymouth) gets my respect! In the days when DC was here we seemed to do well against them and they both seemed to get on. The few better quality players he’s got this season with the Couhig money has given him a bigger chance of competing with more teams. Then add his nous, man management and undoubted ability to organise a team defensively, it’s made them a serious team in this weaker league. However, come the end of the season, I think the better teams will be there or thereabouts. Portsmouth will be there, as will Ipswich, Rotherham won’t be far away. I think Sunderland may struggle to get there because something seems very wrong there and I reckon they missed their chance last season. There are lots of teams like us and Wycombe who are thinking they’ve got half a chance this year to do something, Doncaster, Fleetwood, Blackpool, Coventry. Wycombe will do well to get a play off place and if they did no team would fancy playing them. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2019 20:07:54 GMT
I don't really buy 'the league is weak this season' which I have hear wheeled out a few times over the years. There is no proof of this one way or the other and is as irrelevant as saying George Best was a better player than Lionel Messi. Any league is what it is in any particular season and at the end of it, the best team will win. Wycombe are a good side this year, as are we. It’s true that you can only beat what’s in front of you and that there’s no proof it’s weaker. I think it is a weaker league this year because the teams you would expect to be up there, the “bigger” teams, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Rotherham aren’t. They just aren’t playing so well this year. When you add the Bury/ Bolton factor into the mix, some teams are well behind on fixtures and the international breaks when added to that means the teams with internationals like Sunderland and Pompey have had a stop-start season and are playing catch up. Wycombe have probably been the most consistent team in the league with Ipswich. But even Ipswich have gone off the boil recently. Most other teams have had good spells mixed in with bad ones. And as you say Wycombe are a good side, whether that will be enough to gain promotion remains to be seen. League 1 is a really strange league imo. Last season the bottom half were all in a relegation fight right up to Easter whilst the promotion race last year was limited to only a real race for the final two play off places in the last month of the season. This year the top half must all fancy their chances of being in the fight for promotion. It’s a league that you can have ideas of making it yet also fear the oblivion of dropping into league 2 at the same time. I guess there are clubs in this league that might be in the PL, or at least have pretentions to be, in 3 years time whilst there are others who fear League 2 or even non league in the same time frame. Interesting league. UTG!
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 11, 2019 20:44:09 GMT
The few better quality players he’s got this season with the Couhig money has given him a bigger chance of competing with more teams. When I saw this at first, I thought your typing had gone to pot! But no! This one must have passed me by. "The takeover of League One side Wycombe Wanderers by American lawyer Rob Couhig is set to go ahead after members of the club's Trust voted to sell a 75% stake in the club to him". BBC Sport. 23rd October 2019.Link to BBC Wycombe Takeover by Rob Couhig
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 11, 2019 23:12:14 GMT
The few better quality players he’s got this season with the Couhig money has given him a bigger chance of competing with more teams. When I saw this at first, I thought your typing had gone to pot! But no! This one must have passed me by. "The takeover of League One side Wycombe Wanderers by American lawyer Rob Couhig is set to go ahead after members of the club's Trust voted to sell a 75% stake in the club to him". BBC Sport. 23rd October 2019.Link to BBC Wycombe Takeover by Rob CouhigYou may know this GM but Couhig was going to take over Yeovil earlier this year. But when they went out of the league it all went very quiet regarding his takeover. Then in May, I think, it was announced that the takeover was not going to happen and then he suddenly rolled up at Wycombe. At the moment it’s lucky for them! UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 11, 2019 23:52:54 GMT
Wycombe are still cheats and their ground is at the of an industrial estate. Worst case scenario they get promoted and lose by double digits every week. F*ck 'em.
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Post by irishrover on Dec 17, 2019 14:55:37 GMT
People often conflate style, quality and results. Wycombe are an ugly team who play in their manager's image - nasty, gritty gamesmanship etc. But in the context they are competing in it makes perfect sense to play that way. In League 1 they'll always be low spending underdogs so the anything goes scrap for everything we can get mentality works for them. It suits the unfashionable nature of the club and could create a tight-knit competitive unit overtime although luck clearly plays a big part. Lots of our opponents fans think we're a bunch of dirty cheats too by the way - I've separately spoken to fans of Oxford, Shrewsbury, Rochdale and Bolton who all said we were the dirtiest team they'd seen this year.
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Post by simonj on Dec 17, 2019 15:28:48 GMT
People often conflate style, quality and results. Wycombe are an ugly team who play in their manager's image - nasty, gritty gamesmanship etc. But in the context they are competing in it makes perfect sense to play that way. In League 1 they'll always be low spending underdogs so the anything goes scrap for everything we can get mentality works for them. It suits the unfashionable nature of the club and could create a tight-knit competitive unit overtime although luck clearly plays a big part. Lots of our opponents fans think we're a bunch of dirty cheats too by the way - I've separately spoken to fans of Oxford, Shrewsbury, Rochdale and Bolton who all said we were the dirtiest team they'd seen this year. This fact will be backed by red, yellow cards and penalties conceded. My gut feeling is that we aren't too high up the table on these facts. So I would dispute these fans views.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 15:54:59 GMT
People often conflate style, quality and results. Wycombe are an ugly team who play in their manager's image - nasty, gritty gamesmanship etc. But in the context they are competing in it makes perfect sense to play that way. In League 1 they'll always be low spending underdogs so the anything goes scrap for everything we can get mentality works for them. It suits the unfashionable nature of the club and could create a tight-knit competitive unit overtime although luck clearly plays a big part. Lots of our opponents fans think we're a bunch of dirty cheats too by the way - I've separately spoken to fans of Oxford, Shrewsbury, Rochdale and Bolton who all said we were the dirtiest team they'd seen this year. Arguably you can only give any credence to the Bolton fans as we beat the other 3 and, with football fans typically being as myopic as they come, it’s likely they will have little nice to say about any team that beats theirs.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 18, 2019 9:03:11 GMT
Today's fun fact. Wycombe are favourites to win the league at 5/2. Looks tight. Bristol Rovers currently 4th with a game in hand and are... 40/1. Looks on the face of it quite generous. But not enough to tempt me.
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