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Post by eppinggas on Dec 2, 2019 11:34:48 GMT
OK... 1. I think if kegandegg had used the word "fools" rather than "dickheads", he would have made his point better. His actual point is valid, shame it got lost in the playground insult. The low attendance is the real shocker here, not the childish language. 2. Nothing has been reported, therefore nothing (unless another Mod reports it) will be actioned. 3. The Mods do the modding. As I have said a few times - I will leave them to do the moderating. I think they do a very good job and don't need my help/hindrance. 4. It is not my "first day". JeffNZ is in charge of the Admin duties til the end of the season. I am but The Apprentice, and will endeavour not to be fired. Hope that clears things up for you. Happy Mondays. Can you check that the report function is working please? What are the rules on multiple forum memberships? 1. Hit the Report button and I will deal with it! 2. Multiple usernames are against Forum rules. All I can do is check IP addresses (and obviously multiple usernames linked to the same e-mail). Additional accounts will be deleted if they are found.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 2, 2019 12:35:56 GMT
I listened to GC after match interview and he must have watched a different match to most of us ! He said he had no idea why he was yellow carded. He said the ref needed to watch the penalty incidents again and agree he made a mistake ! And that Rollin's red card must be rescinded.
He said we dominated the second half and there was only one winner !. He loves Plymouth the club and City for obvious reasons.
The match showed again that teams can out pass us and we looked like the league two side. Clarke Harris did very well as did Sercombe plus Craig and Rollin. Superb penalty save.
Must admit not tempted to travel for the replay. Suspect the Third Round draw will see the winners home to a Premiership Club. Hope we beat them in the replay.
We ned to quickly get back to winning ways starting on Weds in the Trophy tie against Orient and hammer the poor Southend side on Saturday. Sadly I cannot see the floating gasheads returning for either match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 12:57:28 GMT
Some people are twitchy on here. I was at Brighton when we won 8-2 I've done my time. Therefore I feel my comments are valid. Now back to business, only 4,413 gasheads turned up on Sunday even with reduced ticket prices. Things ain't looking good. If only we had a modern day smash and grab who could entertain at least. Fair play to JCH for trying to be SMASH.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 2, 2019 13:38:42 GMT
Some people are twitchy on here. I was at Brighton when we won 8-2 I've done my time. Therefore I feel my comments are valid. Now back to business, only 4,413 gasheads turned up on Sunday even with reduced ticket prices. Things ain't looking good. If only we had a modern day smash and grab who could entertain at least. Fair play to JCH for trying to be SMASH. Tyler Smith is Grab.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 2, 2019 14:52:19 GMT
I have made my views known on GC. It's a classic half-empty versus half-full discussion. The volume in my cup actually goes up if I glance at the League Table.
However, let's be real. The club is as flat as I have known it because we are acutely embarrassed and frustrated that we have been sold a pup with the AlQs.
We can't even get a director representation at away games.
GC - stop blathering on about an absence of support. The fans see nothing from the top to provide a motivation for being more enthusiastic. The fan base is old enough - an issue in itself - to recognise that we are on a one-way ticket to misery. The closed sections of the ground were symbolic.
Silence on top of deceit breeds an element of despair when you lose your gullibility.
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Post by irishrover on Dec 2, 2019 15:02:47 GMT
Can you check that the report function is working please? What are the rules on multiple forum memberships? 1. Hit the Report button and I will deal with it! 2. Multiple usernames are against Forum rules. All I can do is check IP addresses (and obviously multiple usernames linked to the same e-mail). Additional accounts will be deleted if they are found. Just to follow up on that general point by reiterating that if anyone wants the moderators to intervene on something then they need to report it. It will then either be dealt with or the Admin will try to give you a reason why it wasn't.
This forum has always operated a light touch reactive approach to moderation that relies on responding to complaints rather than actively moderating every post. That doesn't mean that anything goes or that we never intervene without prompting but 95% of the time Mods are unlikely to do anything unless someone reports it. It's just I occasionally see 'how is this allowed?' or 'Mods shouldn't have let this through' etc. Some boards do have permanent moderation and a more proactive approach. This board never has. People might not like that approach but Jeff and Oxon were very clear about when they set it up in the first place.
Just thought it was worth reminding about that now we have a new admin as it makes Epping's life easier if people follow that basic principle.
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Post by irishrover on Dec 2, 2019 15:18:06 GMT
From a distance the (fairly significant) drop off in our attendances looks a bit strange. On paper we are in the highest position in the football league we have been this late in the season for nearly 20 years. Yet attendances haven't just dropped of a bit; they've slumped alarmingly.
Is it really just a case that Rovers fans haven't taken to Coughlan? Come the end it wasn't like DC was getting brilliant reviews from fans.
I find it a little baffling. But then I found our increase in attendance quite baffling as well. We seemed to go from being in the 6000-8000K range to being in the 8000-10000 range almost overnight and it didn't seem to map directly to onfield success.
Are there any other variables that are being missed? Pricing? Changes in concession pricing structures? etc. Maybe it is just Coughlan - can't say I've taken to him either but I can't remember another manager having that big an effect on attendances especially while achieving genuinely competitive results.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 2, 2019 15:29:37 GMT
Looking at the attendance peaks and troughs in recent years is a reminder of that old football truism:
It's the hope that kills you.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 2, 2019 17:05:44 GMT
Looking at the attendance peaks and troughs in recent years is a reminder of that old football truism: It's the hope that kills you. The first couple of seasons in Division 1 we had hope. New owners, the prospect of a new stadium and even potentially promotion to the Championship. Good attacking football under a popular manager. 2016-2017 Average gate 9,302 2017-2018 Average gate 8,933 2018-2019 Average gate 8,320. Hope faded both on and off the pitch. We lost DC (probably the right thing to do at the time but stuck in the craw with some). Disillusionment with Dwane Sports sets in. No prospect of a new stadium, or a new Training Facility. Ugly football and an inspired J CH kept us up. 2019-2020 so far. Average gate 7,368 - despite a healthy league position. Just a few happy clappers left for Dwane Sports. Rumours of a Boardroom split. Ugly boring football with just an occasional spark under a dour GC. Yup - we've lost 2000 fans in 3 years.
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Post by toteend3 on Dec 2, 2019 17:34:28 GMT
SNAP! Well we are still in tonight's draw for the 3rd round (just! - no thanks to a useless ref called Will Fannie ) I now worry we might get the big club and muff up the chance at Plymouth. Therefore i be hoping for another none league or League One should we get through then we have a real chance of progressing to the forth round proper job!
As for the low attendances, although the football ain't pretty it would not matter if we were going places - The feel good factor disappeared with all our dreams when the new stadium, training ground, promotion, manager went up in a puff of smoke and we all know where the blame lies....................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 17:46:21 GMT
Looking at the attendance peaks and troughs in recent years is a reminder of that old football truism: It's the hope that kills you. The first couple of seasons in Division 1 we had hope. New owners, the prospect of a new stadium and even potentially promotion to the Championship. Good attacking football under a popular manager. 2016-2017 Average gate 9,302 2017-2018 Average gate 8,933 2018-2019 Average gate 8,320. Hope faded both on and off the pitch. We lost DC (probably the right thing to do at the time but stuck in the craw with some). Disillusionment with Dwane Sports sets in. No prospect of a new stadium, or a new Training Facility. Ugly football and an inspired J CH kept us up. 2019-2020 so far. Average gate 7,368 - despite a healthy league position. Just a few happy clappers left for Dwane Sports. Rumours of a Boardroom split. Ugly boring football with just an occasional spark under a dour GC. Yup - we've lost 2000 fans in 3 years. That's a brilliant piece of analysis. So, Wael said that he was buying the support potential, and so far, all he's done is reduce attendances by 21%. You couldn't make this up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 20:28:13 GMT
Nothing to do with wael. Boring sterile mind numbing football = poor crowds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 22:16:27 GMT
Some people are twitchy on here. I was at Brighton when we won 8-2 I've done my time. Therefore I feel my comments are valid. Now back to business, only 4,413 gasheads turned up on Sunday even with reduced ticket prices. Things ain't looking good. If only we had a modern day smash and grab who could entertain at least. Fair play to JCH for trying to be SMASH. So was I along with 36,000 other Gasheads. Such a shame that Gordon Fearnley gets overlooked.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 3, 2019 12:17:43 GMT
Nothing to with wael. Boring sterile mind numbing football = poor crowds. 2,000 supporters go missing and that is absolutely nothing to do with Wael (and by implication Dwane Sports ownership) and the direction of the Club? Really? As I suggested it is probably a combination of a number of factors. I have done extensive research and can now quote the following completely made up numbers. Boring sterile mind numbing football: 40% Owners lack of credibility, inability to create a sustainable business model for the Club and utter failure to make progress with a New Stadium or Training Facility: 40% Releasing a popular, but failing Darrell Clarke and replacing him with a dour manager who appears to have little connection with the supporters: 10% Tom Nichols: 5% Price of a pint and a sausage roll: 5% I welcome your breakdown and we can discuss over an extortionately priced sausage roll and a pint one day. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:31:27 GMT
Nothing to with wael. Boring sterile mind numbing football = poor crowds. 2,000 supporters go missing and that is absolutely nothing to do with Wael (and by implication Dwane Sports ownership) and the direction of the Club? Really? As I suggested it is probably a combination of a number of factors. I have done extensive research and can now quote the following completely made up numbers. Boring sterile mind numbing football: 40% Owners lack of credibility, inability to create a sustainable business model for the Club and utter failure to make progress with a New Stadium or Training Facility: 40% Releasing a popular, but failing Darrell Clarke and replacing him with a dour manager who appears to have little connection with the supporters: 10% Tom Nichols: 5% Price of a pint and a sausage roll: 5% I welcome your breakdown and we can discuss over an extortionately priced sausage roll and a pint one day. UTG. Its fine for people on forums to pontificate about owners etc but most of us go to watch football and be entertained. Trouble we are not being entertained.
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Post by trymer on Dec 3, 2019 16:02:48 GMT
2,000 supporters go missing and that is absolutely nothing to do with Wael (and by implication Dwane Sports ownership) and the direction of the Club? Really? As I suggested it is probably a combination of a number of factors. I have done extensive research and can now quote the following completely made up numbers. Boring sterile mind numbing football: 40% Owners lack of credibility, inability to create a sustainable business model for the Club and utter failure to make progress with a New Stadium or Training Facility: 40% Releasing a popular, but failing Darrell Clarke and replacing him with a dour manager who appears to have little connection with the supporters: 10% Tom Nichols: 5% Price of a pint and a sausage roll: 5% I welcome your breakdown and we can discuss over an extortionately priced sausage roll and a pint one day. UTG. Its fine for people on forums to pontificate about owners etc but most of us go to watch football and be entertained. Trouble we are not being entertained. Just because you don't know anyone who has been put off going to Rovers by the qadi doesn't mean those people don't exist,I know several and they were long standing supporters and season ticket holders.
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Post by dido on Dec 3, 2019 16:30:00 GMT
You and family or friends?
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Post by swissgas on Dec 3, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
2,000 supporters go missing and that is absolutely nothing to do with Wael (and by implication Dwane Sports ownership) and the direction of the Club? Really? As I suggested it is probably a combination of a number of factors. I have done extensive research and can now quote the following completely made up numbers. Boring sterile mind numbing football: 40% Owners lack of credibility, inability to create a sustainable business model for the Club and utter failure to make progress with a New Stadium or Training Facility: 40% Releasing a popular, but failing Darrell Clarke and replacing him with a dour manager who appears to have little connection with the supporters: 10% Tom Nichols: 5% Price of a pint and a sausage roll: 5% I welcome your breakdown and we can discuss over an extortionately priced sausage roll and a pint one day. UTG. Its fine for people on forums to pontificate about owners etc but most of us go to watch football and be entertained. Trouble we are not being entertained. That is true to a point but don't you think being part of a football club involves much more that just what happens on a Saturday. Once you declare yourself a fan of a particular club it becomes part of your life seven days a week and affects your home, work and social life. I know you played in the Western League vertigo and not many seem to appreciate the importance of that league but I do because I had a really good friend, George Broughton, who played for Frome Town before the war and was extremely proud of it. He was much older than me but we used to joust about football every time we met and his catchphrase was "Ashton Gate - Wembley of the West". When I eventually got involved with Rovers George was one of the first guests I invited to games and it was a pleasure to see him interact with the players and management because he was really in his element. But our banter came from positions of relative historical equality which we both accepted. Far from being "the Wembley of the West" Ashton Gate, in the early days when I started, was no better than Eastville and had a wooden shack where the Dolman now stands with miniature floodlights and we used to taunt City fans by chanting "candle power" at them. When we were at Twerton they were clawing their way back from bankruptcy and everyone thought, despite up's and down's on the way, our competitive rivalry was bound to continue.But it hasn't happened like that and this meek acceptance of inequality, the contentment with mediocrity and making excuses under cover of loyalty will only ensure that in future the number of people proud to call themselves Gasheads will continue to decline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 17:50:24 GMT
Thanks swissgas,i will not quote you so as not to elongate the post further. The gap between the 2 clubs is quite depressing i must admit. I would argue dolman made city a bigger club than ours and lansdown ensures that they are a much bigger club than ours. But in the conference and league 2 seasons with higgs at the helm and the overall situation looking grim good attacking and admittedly winning football brought rising crowds and optimism through what happened on the pitch. The big failure with the current owners are that they have not delivered the big things that wael talked of when they arrived. The problem for me is that there is no "smoking gun" or concrete evidence that they are harming the club or intending to run off and leave us homeless etc. I personally cannot accept theory and hunches or suspicions of dark things around the corner. There is also very little evidence that fans wanting owners out achieve their aims and even if there was i am not certain that wael/hani going would improve things. For me the fruit market is just disneyland rubbish. So in the meantime i would like to see the team play with more width and flair so i can enjoy the football. Ps ex rovers player dave stone was one of my managers in the western league,not sure if you know him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 18:38:56 GMT
Thanks swissgas,i will not quote you so as not to elongate the post further. The gap between the 2 clubs is quite depressing i must admit. I would argue dolman made city a bigger club than ours and lansdown ensures that they are a much bigger club than ours. But in the conference and league 2 seasons with higgs at the helm and the overall situation looking grim good attacking and admittedly winning football brought rising crowds and optimism through what happened on the pitch. The big failure with the current owners are that they have not delivered the big things that wael talked of when they arrived. The problem for me is that there is no "smoking gun" or concrete evidence that they are harming the club or intending to run off and leave us homeless etc. I personally cannot accept theory and hunches or suspicions of dark things around the corner. There is also very little evidence that fans wanting owners out achieve their aims and even if there was i am not certain that wael/hani going would improve things. For me the fruit market is just disneyland rubbish. So in the meantime i would like to see the team play with more width and flair so i can enjoy the football. Ps ex rovers player dave stone was one of my managers in the western league,not sure if you know him? I know Dave but haven't seen him since I moved from Olveston. A lovely man who always loved to share a story. My brother played under him at Weston Super Mare.
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