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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 11:21:45 GMT
I couldn’t agree less with him, if he were managing us Nichols would have been dumped a long time ago. He is supposed to be a striker nothing more nor less his work rate is used as smoke and mirrors to cover up his ongoing abject failure to do what he is paid to do or eff off and con some other gullible fools.
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Post by simonj on Oct 25, 2019 12:15:20 GMT
Hi, can you confirm - did Holloways comments start after your "I couldn't agree less with him"?
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Post by bloogas on Oct 25, 2019 13:23:17 GMT
Hi, can you confirm - did Holloways comments start after your "I couldn't agree less with him"? Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 13:39:08 GMT
Hi, can you confirm - did Holloways comments start after your "I couldn't agree less with him"? Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks. These owners have spent money, plenty of it. Nichols deserves to be told what people think from the terraces, he's not kidding anybody with his half-hearted efforts.
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Post by bloogas on Oct 25, 2019 13:48:21 GMT
Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks. These owners have spent money, plenty of it. Nichols deserves to be told what people think from the terraces, he's not kidding anybody with his half-hearted efforts. Spent plenty of money? I've missed that then.Yes, a few hundred grand, but nowhere near the level required to get any success. I don't blame them, merely saying. Wasted a lot, yes. On pointless surveys and planning that got nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 13:51:36 GMT
Love Holloway but he's talking bollox. Easy to say when your bank account is healthy like his from talk sport etc. I spend on average £50 per home match and £100 + on away matches. All I am looking for is some kind of effort at least and it isn't happening from Nichols. Looks like I will need to evaluate my opinion on Holloway.
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Post by simonj on Oct 25, 2019 13:55:52 GMT
Hi, can you confirm - did Holloways comments start after your "I couldn't agree less with him"? Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks. I wasn't being facetious. I hadn't read his comments, I now have. I didn't understand what the thread meant.
Ollie was fantastic for us, apart from the final knocking of that season when he lost the plot. Great football and passionate play. Id have him back in a flash, and Penny would sort TN out one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:19:33 GMT
These owners have spent money, plenty of it. Nichols deserves to be told what people think from the terraces, he's not kidding anybody with his half-hearted efforts. Spent plenty of money? I've missed that then.Yes, a few hundred grand, but nowhere near the level required to get any success. I don't blame them, merely saying. Wasted a lot, yes. On pointless surveys and planning that got nowhere. If I understand the accounts correctly, they are burning through at least 2 million quid more than is coming in every year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:21:35 GMT
Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks. These owners have spent money, plenty of it. Nichols deserves to be told what people think from the terraces, he's not kidding anybody with his half-hearted efforts. Have they really?If that is so how come we owe so much money to them?It appears that any money spent is put through the clubs books and added to the debt owes to the owners,like the pay off to former directors and the Wonga loan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:24:29 GMT
Spent plenty of money? I've missed that then.Yes, a few hundred grand, but nowhere near the level required to get any success. I don't blame them, merely saying. Wasted a lot, yes. On pointless surveys and planning that got nowhere. If I understand the accounts correctly, they are burning through at least 2 million quid more than is coming in every year. They may well be but it is only a loan that is accrueing interest which at some time will need repaying.I have never met an altruistic banker and the al qadis are no different.They are not spending their own money they are klending it to the club
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 25, 2019 14:30:51 GMT
This is the same Holloway who brought in Justin Richards £100k and Mikey Evans £275k and allowed Bobby Zamora to go to Brighton for £100k saying he was too light weight and would never make it !
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Post by bloogas on Oct 25, 2019 14:34:30 GMT
Spent plenty of money? I've missed that then.Yes, a few hundred grand, but nowhere near the level required to get any success. I don't blame them, merely saying. Wasted a lot, yes. On pointless surveys and planning that got nowhere. If I understand the accounts correctly, they are burning through at least 2 million quid more than is coming in every year. Possibly on "consultants"? I have to concede you're right, but I'd like to know where the hell it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:36:04 GMT
These owners have spent money, plenty of it. Nichols deserves to be told what people think from the terraces, he's not kidding anybody with his half-hearted efforts. Have they really?If that is so how come we owe so much money to them?It appears that any money spent is put through the clubs books and added to the debt owes to the owners,like the pay off to former directors and the Wonga loan How come there is so much debt? That's because a lot of money has been spent. Sorry but I can't think of a more simplistic explanation for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:37:39 GMT
If I understand the accounts correctly, they are burning through at least 2 million quid more than is coming in every year. Possibly on "consultants"? I have to concede you're right, but I'd like to know where the hell it goes. Specific questions should go to Swiss, he studies the accounts in detail so is well placed to reply.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 15:02:39 GMT
Have they really?If that is so how come we owe so much money to them?It appears that any money spent is put through the clubs books and added to the debt owes to the owners,like the pay off to former directors and the Wonga loan How come there is so much debt? That's because a lot of money has been spent. Sorry but I can't think of a more simplistic explanation for you. Wasn't asking how we were in debt,but how you came to the conclusion that the al qadis were spending their own money when in fact the money they were spending was loans to the club that were accrueing interest,any money the spend they want repaid either in cash or by the sale of our home which they have levied a claim on
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 15:30:06 GMT
How come there is so much debt? That's because a lot of money has been spent. Sorry but I can't think of a more simplistic explanation for you. Wasn't asking how we were in debt,but how you came to the conclusion that the al qadis were spending their own money when in fact the money they were spending was loans to the club that were accrueing interest,any money the spend they want repaid either in cash or by the sale of our home which they have levied a claim on Why do people always do this, start with a supposition and then appear to read and furthermore, reply to things that just aren't written? I'm not doing Forum Post Ping Pong with you, just go back, read what I said, then see if your replies actually relate to my posts. I can give you a clue; they don't.
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Post by toteend3 on Oct 25, 2019 15:35:48 GMT
Hi, can you confirm - did Holloways comments start after your "I couldn't agree less with him"? Assume you're being facetious? I'd totally agree with Ollie. I'm not defending Tom & I don't look on Ollie as some kind of sacred cow (as some do). But he makes a fair point and as he's the professional he'd know far more than me. His central point is that we're shooting ourselves in the foot by booing him - he'll only get worse. Rather obvious I'd think. The real fault lies at the top, in the board room. But then it's always been the same - successive regimes with good intent (probably) but no money. Still, if it eases some people's frustrations to abuse another human being... bit like the pillory or the stocks. One league goal per season for a striker is clearly unacceptable and as stated in another thread a totem pole straight replacement for TN would likely yield more goals. We have as one might expect from the Gas, shown a remarkable amount of patience, TN now coming up to ninety (yes ninety!) league games and the booing only now starting to creep in. How many games would the dark side having given him, i would guess no more than two or three matches! Its time for TN to be loaned out so that he can rediscover his form and at the same time give us a chance, before its to late to get our season back on track. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 16:52:15 GMT
Wasn't asking how we were in debt,but how you came to the conclusion that the al qadis were spending their own money when in fact the money they were spending was loans to the club that were accrueing interest,any money the spend they want repaid either in cash or by the sale of our home which they have levied a claim on Why do people always do this, start with a supposition and then appear to read and furthermore, reply to things that just aren't written? I'm not doing Forum Post Ping Pong with you, just go back, read what I said, then see if your replies actually relate to my posts. I can give you a clue; they don't. Because by inference you were saying the al.qadis had spent a lot of their own money and I was disputing the veracity of that statement
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:24:29 GMT
Why do people always do this, start with a supposition and then appear to read and furthermore, reply to things that just aren't written? I'm not doing Forum Post Ping Pong with you, just go back, read what I said, then see if your replies actually relate to my posts. I can give you a clue; they don't. Because by inference you were saying the al.qadis had spent a lot of their own money and I was disputing the veracity of that statement As I said, you've started with your own conclusion and decided what was being said based on that. I have no idea what the source of the funding Rovers' owners are using is, but I think that a personal guarantee has been given to cover any losses, any more than that I'm afraid I can't help you with. I'm not going in to a dissection of every word we've exchanged on this thread, it's too tedious to even contemplate. All I'll say is that it sounds as if you have something on your mind and are looking for an opportunity to say it.
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Post by LPGas on Oct 25, 2019 17:51:02 GMT
Holloway. The man who sold Zamora for £80k and then Cureton for £100k wow he sure knows his stuff. Nichols was a mistake of the highest order, as carried out by the ex deity known as DC. As for us booing him. Peterboro fans booed him, and now we know why. 3 goals in 84 games, what other league club would put up with that? The day he goes will be like having a bandage removed, and it cannot come soon enough.
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